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National Education => Admissions tests => UMAT => Topic started by: bubbles on July 12, 2008, 02:05:21 am
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I need help with patterns -____-""
I'm finding Section 3- Non-verbal reasoning pretty difficult. Can anyone suggest a method of approaching these sort of questions?
Some more help...
Practice Questions Volume 1, 2nd edition
I can't seem to work out how to obtain the correct answers for these following questions:
Q1 53, 54, 55
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IQ tests
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Some more help...
Practice Questions Volume 1, 2nd edition
I can't seem to work out how to obtain the correct answers for these following questions:
Q1 53, 54, 55
Q53:
Look at the shapes vertically ... by rows. top row + middle row = third row. when a line/dot overlaps it cancels out in the third picture.
Q54:
Same with 53, look at the shapes in rows. The first square in the top right hand corner has two lines sticking out, the one immediately under it has one. 2 - 1 = 1. There's only 1 in the next one under the middle one of that row. second row: 3 - 2 = 1, last row: 1-1 = 0 .. so it's E.
Q55:
Well in the circle there are two objects. each group has shapes that are the same but are of DIFFERENT SIZE. have a look at your choices. A - the pentagons are the same sizes, C - same sizes, D - same sizes, E - Same sizes... leaves B. the moons are of different sizes ... ;D
Hope that helped.
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so hows ur preparation going then?
I just found my ticket, i am at caulfield at 1 30. Crappty time and destination.
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Lucky! I'm at 8 >.<
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Yeh i wanted that time as well, my brain functions well in the morning, by 1 30 my brain has turned to utter mush.
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I thought everyone did it at the same time?
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Yeah i got mine. Caufield at 8.00am. Do people sit the UMAT at different times?
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DIdnt you read wat it said b4 u posted? 1 30 at caulfield!!!
Part of the reason is that theres 15000 ppl around OZ sitting the UMAT, a few thousands in melbourne at a selcted destination, if they all cram in at once it would make it extremely hectic and stressful, even then theres like 300 ppl at once.........
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so hows ur preparation going then?
I just found my ticket, i am at caulfield at 1 30. Crappty time and destination.
Section one's a drainer for me, takes me a while to absorb the chunk of texts they give.
I've been doing MENSA IQ questions for section three ... they're okay. It used to be my worst section, but it's almost my best now (section 2 beats it).
I thought they'd have it at the exhibition centre or someplace more inner-city. 1:30 ... the hours before that would be stressful. I'm hoping for 8am, get it over and done with before lunch haha ... eat in peace.
Hmm ... My ticket hasn't arrived yet. I'm guessing it got sent out today?
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You need to log in and print it
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hey toothpick, when u said ur strugglinh with sct 1, wat preparation did u do?
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I thought everyone did it at the same time?
Different papers I think - to avoid cheaters. Someone told me that the person sitting beside would have another test to yours ... *shrugs*
You need to log in and print it
oh. I just failed at checking email. Thanks!
EDIT: cool, I got 8am
@ganges - I did the official questions and medentry.
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Wat were the official questions like? I was gonna think of buying them......
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Wat were the official questions like? I was gonna think of buying them......
Well, they give you a feel of what the test will be like - and would probably be the closest preparation materials relating to the actual test (since, of course, they're produced by ACER).
It's a bit pricey for the (not very many) questions in the books (I think there are ~50 for the "practice questions" volumes .. can't remember how many were in the red book labelled "practice test" but there were more).
Best thing to do is to find someone who owns the books and borrow them for a bit - minimises your expenses :P.
If you can't do that, I think it would be good to buy them anyway. Just so you don't feel underprepared and become anxious on the day.
I think timing yourself to finish is crucial too. They give you set times in the books so that helps...
er here's a sample Q (section 1):
A recent study has shown that when food plants such as corn, strawberries and marionberries are grown without the use of insecticides or herbicides, they have significantly higher levels of cancer-fighting chemicals than those grown using pesticides. These chemicals, called phenolics, also deter attack by insects. The use of fertilizer boosts phenolic levels in plants.
The report of the study implies that
A - what is bad for insects may be good for humans
B - penolics may lead to an increased cancer risk in humans
C - increased fertilizer use on plant crops increases the likelihood of insect attack
D - for maximum phenolic levels in a plant, farmers should use minimal amounts of pesticides and fertilizer.
Answer: [A]
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whooaa that was tricky as!! I was stuck between A and D, wat are the medentry questions like?
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whooaa that was tricky as!! I was stuck between A and D, wat are the medentry questions like?
I think they're harder than the real thing.
Section 2 sample:
Questions 1 to 3
My father told me the story of how his brother died. The boy was about eight at the time and he died of what was probably a ruptured appendix. He had suffered excruciating stomach pains that left him doubled over in agony and my grandfather, moved by his son's despair, sat with him, stroking him, till it was no longer tolerable to accept the judgement of his own helplessness. He drew the child up around his shoulders like a rolled swag, his arms grasping the burden of the child's weight and pain into his bowed back. Then he trudged the cobbled lanes and stairs of the village, sobbing into the crook of his neck, till he died. He sat by the path with the child cradled in his lap, just holding him. The only intrusion was the sound of distant bleating of goats. But no human sound.
No pain or hardship, however, contaminated my family's idealised view of the island and village life. They saw themselves as people of property and substance, owners of a patchwork quilt of pocket-handkerchief sized plots - you couldn't call them fields - subdivided and subdivided, generation after generation. The truth was that their lives were built up with shards of poverty like the ordered stone walls of the island. They were peasants locked to the land, though it was mainly the women who made an existence in the olive groves and plots. The men fished at sea or exported their labour.
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The man whose son was dying
Choose one answer.
A. Attempted to seek medical help
B. Sat with him until he died
C. Tried to find peace in what was happening
D. Comforted the boy as best he could
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As he tells the story of the boy's death, the writer
Choose one answer.
A. Shows why life on the island was actually unendurable
B. Provides an insight into the boy's pain as he died
C. Shifts emphasis from the boy's feelings to the father's grief
D. Shows how the father was isolated and angry
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As an adult, the writer came to realise that life on the island consisted more of
Choose one answer.
A. Despair than delight
B. Poverty than prosperity
C. Endurance than enjoyment
D. Hardship then happiness
Answers: D,C,B
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YAY got em all right!!!
Wat percentile u getting in the exams? Which 1 are u upto?
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Hey thanks toothpick for the solutions. I don't know how you guys manage to do them!
A few more questions:
Same booklet Volume 1:
Q4.
Section 1: Q5 (I am stumped! Where do I begin with this one??)
The number of adult smokers in Australia has dropped markedly over the past few decades. While one thrid of the population smoked in 1985, by 1995 the number had shrunk to one quarter. Particularly significant is the drop in numbers for male smokers: down from 72% in 1945 to 27% in 1995. However, the proportion of female smokers has hardly changed over the years (down from 26% in 1945 to 23% in 1996). Whilst the population doubled between 1945 and 1995, the proportion of males to females was about equal over the same period. The Australian population in 1995 was 18 million.
According to this information, which of the following is the best conclusions?
A. In 1985 only about 18% of Australian males were non-smokers.
B. It is likely that in 1985 more than 4 million Australian females smoked.
C. There were actually more male smokers in Australia in 1995 than in 1945.
D. It is reasonable to assume that about 40% of males smoked in Australia in 1985.
Another non-verbal reasoning question:
(http://community.boredofstudies.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=16629&d=1213703110)
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Section 1:Q5
ANswer A
I looked at each option carefully and tried to cancel each of them off.
IT CANT be B because you cant determine the population( no info given)
It cant be C either because there could possible have been greater male smokers in 1945 then in 1995, this is because even though the population has doubled from then on, the percentage of 1945 male smokers is significantly greater then 1995 (72 % to 25% in 1995).
It cant be D either because no information on the population in 1985 is given so the answer 4 million is not right.
The only info that is given about 1985 is that (1 third) approx 33% smoked in 1985 and since the proportion of male and female smokers is the same, it would be about 17-18% as A says.
My tip wud be to use process of elimination for these questions...
Section 3 i cant do, honestly i dont anyone who can unless you are autistic or something....
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is the second one A? one of the black squares zig zags and the other proceeds diagonally to the right.
YAY got em all right!!!
Wat percentile u getting in the exams? Which 1 are u upto?
from medentry i get percentiles around 50-80 lol. i've got four full exams left to do.
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answer is A to the non-verbal resoning
There are two coloured squares. They move down a line and across (left) one each time. If one reaches the end u cant see it, but it'll move across n be visible again on the next line.
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Thank you for explanations btw
I could see it was A but when I went to write down why I couldn't xD
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So is anyone thinking what im thinking? VN UMAT AFTER PARTY!!!!
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So is anyone thinking what im thinking? VN UMAT AFTER PARTY!!!!
I was thinking of ramen after :)
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So is anyone thinking what im thinking? VN UMAT AFTER PARTY!!!!
HAHA more like a UMAT funeral....... I WILL BE STUFFED!!!!
BTW toothpick, u get those percetile in all the sections??
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I think they're harder than the real thing.
Believe this at your own peril
Also, those percentiles they give you are in relation to the other Medentry students, and are not representative of how they are calculated by ACER. No-one knows how ACER calculates their scores.
Generally these courses are around the mark of the types of questions asked, but its unlikely the difficulty will be consistent. I.e. easier questions asked first. The exam is unpredictable, this isn't something that prep courses tell you as it is not conducive to business.
Be confident in your abilities, not knowledge you think you have.
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I think they're harder than the real thing.
Believe this at your own peril
Also, those percentiles they give you are in relation to the other Medentry students, and are not representative of how they are calculated by ACER. No-one knows how ACER calculates their scores.
Generally these courses are around the mark of the types of questions asked, but its unlikely the difficulty will be consistent. I.e. easier questions asked first. The exam is unpredictable, this isn't something that prep courses tell you as it is not conducive to business.
Be confident in your abilities, not knowledge you think you have.
I know ppl hate general questions, but is the real UMAT harder then MEDENTRY exams?
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The exam is unpredictable
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Sorry if this sounds stupid but can someone whose gotten an ENTER of 60, hypothetically speaking, pass the UMAT and do medicine.
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Sorry if this sounds stupid but can someone whose gotten an ENTER of 60, hypothetically speaking, pass the UMAT and do medicine.
Most likely not, you'd need probably around 90+ (BA22 I know you said ppl have got in with 88 or something but I'm speaking in general :P)
Also there's no such thing as "pass"-ing the UMAT
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Sorry if this sounds stupid but can someone whose gotten an ENTER of 60, hypothetically speaking, pass the UMAT and do medicine.
I doubt it. I think most unis select people based on UMAT score, ENTER score and an interview. You' have to do fairly well in all 3 to get in.
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Not unless the person gets like 299 on UMAT and gets a UMAT scholarship.....
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do you need to take the UMAT even if your applying for pharmacy?
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YES!!!
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Generally speaking, about 95-98 is the kind of ENTER you'd be aiming for, of course, the higher the better.
Interview is quite important although
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Just stopping by to wish everyone luck for the upcoming UMAT, and hope everyone achieves their desired grades ;)
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do you need to take the UMAT even if your applying for pharmacy?
For Monash, yes. There are universities that don't require UMAT for pharmacy, but the majority are overseas.
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Latrobe uni doesnt need the UMAT for pharmacy, as well as *a number of* interstate unis- Just another option
*edit
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i wrote overseas... i meant interstate
lol!
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Hey thanks toothpick for the solutions. I don't know how you guys manage to do them!
A few more questions:
Same booklet Volume 1:
Q4.
Section 1: Q5 (I am stumped! Where do I begin with this one??)
The number of adult smokers in Australia has dropped markedly over the past few decades. While one thrid of the population smoked in 1985, by 1995 the number had shrunk to one quarter. Particularly significant is the drop in numbers for male smokers: down from 72% in 1945 to 27% in 1995. However, the proportion of female smokers has hardly changed over the years (down from 26% in 1945 to 23% in 1996). Whilst the population doubled between 1945 and 1995, the proportion of males to females was about equal over the same period. The Australian population in 1995 was 18 million.
According to this information, which of the following is the best conclusions?
A. In 1985 only about 18% of Australian males were non-smokers.
B. It is likely that in 1985 more than 4 million Australian females smoked.
C. There were actually more male smokers in Australia in 1995 than in 1945.
D. It is reasonable to assume that about 40% of males smoked in Australia in 1985.
a bit late, but I don't think the answer is A as ganges suggested
as said by the question, about 1/3 of population smoked.
also, male population ~ female population, and %female smokers is about 25%
hence, of the 50% female [of total], 25% smoked, i.e. ~12.5% of smokers are females
==> ~20% smokers are males [of total population]
==> ~40% males are smokers [of the 50% male population of total]
==> %non-male-smokers ~ 60%, not 18%
B is also false, assuming population growth is roughly linear
growth in 50 years is 9 million
growth in 10 years (from 85 to 95) is ~2 million
i.e. female population ~8 million in 1985
==> %female smokers = 25% * 8 million ~ 2 million (not 4)
C is false.
72% * 4.5 million (1945) = 36% * 9 million > 27% * 9 million (1995)
which leaves D, and it is fairly reasonable [well, at least within parameters]
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Hey thanks toothpick for the solutions. I don't know how you guys manage to do them!
A few more questions:
Same booklet Volume 1:
Q4.
Section 1: Q5 (I am stumped! Where do I begin with this one??)
The number of adult smokers in Australia has dropped markedly over the past few decades. While one thrid of the population smoked in 1985, by 1995 the number had shrunk to one quarter. Particularly significant is the drop in numbers for male smokers: down from 72% in 1945 to 27% in 1995. However, the proportion of female smokers has hardly changed over the years (down from 26% in 1945 to 23% in 1996). Whilst the population doubled between 1945 and 1995, the proportion of males to females was about equal over the same period. The Australian population in 1995 was 18 million.
According to this information, which of the following is the best conclusions?
A. In 1985 only about 18% of Australian males were non-smokers.
B. It is likely that in 1985 more than 4 million Australian females smoked.
C. There were actually more male smokers in Australia in 1995 than in 1945.
D. It is reasonable to assume that about 40% of males smoked in Australia in 1985.
a bit late, but I don't think the answer is A as ganges suggested
as said by the question, about 1/3 of population smoked.
also, male population ~ female population, and %female smokers is about 25%
hence, of the 50% female [of total], 25% smoked, i.e. ~12.5% of smokers are females
==> ~20% smokers are males [of total population]
==> ~40% males are smokers [of the 50% male population of total]
==> %non-male-smokers ~ 60%, not 18%
B is also false, assuming population growth is roughly linear
growth in 50 years is 9 million
growth in 10 years (from 85 to 95) is ~2 million
i.e. female population ~8 million in 1985
==> %female smokers = 25% * 8 million ~ 2 million (not 4)
C is false.
72% * 4.5 million (1945) = 36% * 9 million > 27% * 9 million (1995)
which leaves D, and it is fairly reasonable [well, at least within parameters]
The answer at the back of the book says D too.
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if someone got
50 chem
50 physics
50 spesh
50 methods
50 english
50 language (any)
ENTER 99.95
but fucked up on UMAT really bad.. like was worse than average result.... can they get into med?
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I think it really depends on the interview. Most universities though (particularly Monash) necessitate on UMAT scores, since they examine practical skills and qualities like that.
So, I guess to get into prestigious universities, the answer is no?
But 99.95 is the best ENTER... If I had a university, they would be accepted automatically, regardless of UMAT simply based on that excellent result :)
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I would question why there is such a big discrepancy in results
Eg, to me it would imply they are perfect at memorising stuff, and fail at using 'common sense' or whatever to new situations. And thus med is definitely NOT the way they should be going :P
But I have no idea to answer your theoretical example :P
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if someone got
50 chem
50 physics
50 spesh
50 methods
50 english
50 language (any)
ENTER 99.95
but fucked up on UMAT really bad.. like was worse than average result.... can they get into med?
yes they would get a scholarship from uni of melbourne, they give it to any1 who gets 99.9 or above.....
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Nah, don't think so. I believe that each bracket has a minimum requirement for UMAT and ENTER (there is the ENTER, Hybrid and UMAT brackets, I believe)
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Nah, don't think so. I believe that each bracket has a minimum requirement for UMAT and ENTER (there is the ENTER, Hybrid and UMAT brackets, I believe)
Well the UMAT score then is much lower.
But i thought u gained a scholarship if u get 99.9 or above for next year? This is because u dont need to do the UMAT to get into BIOMED anway as they give u a guaranteed entry into med like 2nd or 3 year.
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Possibly! But I cant imagine them letting anyone into Medicine without making them sit the UMAT or the GAMSAT.
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They might offer concession for the GAMSAT then, btw i heard thats like 6 hours long. This really true?
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Don't guess
If you really want to pursue this career, do you own thorough research. Perfecty capable applicants screw up their applications every year because they didn't research about admissions processes and policies first.
The GAMSAT is a around 6 hours yes, and it is sat on one day
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mao should do umat, he has the skillz 2 make tha killz
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mao should do umat, he has the skillz 2 make tha killz
mao don't want to get into medicine though :P
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...And still the UMAT looms... Less than 5 days to go :(
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Anyone got the practice test. I cant seem to understand how they got the answer to:
Section 3
Q.89, Q.101, Q.102, Q.103
anyone can suggest a possible explanation to these questions thanks
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i know 102. the sequence is BCDAE
star moves once diagonal, then once clockwise
the black dot moves in anti clockwise direction.
(took me a while lol)
89. pretty simple..
i just wrote out a-->z and u can see a pattern
A-->B (0 in between)
D-->G (2 in between)
K-->P (4 in between)
V-->C (6 in betweeen) So the answer combination must have 8 in between...
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the second thing there is to notice the distance between the last letter and first of the nxt grouping increases
i.e. B - D (1) (not including B and D)etc..
G-K (3)
P-V (5)
C-??? must be (7)
So we arrive at K and there is only 1 solution with K in it ..so thats the answer
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Thanks for that. I still cant seem to get the answer of Q.101 in the practise test.
Sorry about the questions but I'm also stuck on Q.12 and Q.14
thanks
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Does anyone know whether there is a site which provides suggested solutions for these ACER practice questions or a forum which discuss the answers ?
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question 101. ignore position of shapes
Each box loses a shape
start with A which loses the single headed arrow since it aint in any other boxes so u still have the other 3, which are all present in B repeat the same process. B loses the 4 headed arrow since it isnt in the rest of the options..then u get E. and so forth.
they are discussing this practice test on medstudents online forum:
http://www.medstudentsonline.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=7057