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Uni Stuff => General University Discussion and Queries => Topic started by: misskaraleah on December 25, 2008, 09:34:44 pm
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How difficult is it to gain 70's abd 80's for your course work throughout Uni? I was speaking to my friend, who is currently studying Arts at Melbourne Uni and she claims it rather difficult to get 75+.
Because i was speaking to a selection officer for my desired course which i missed the ENTER for, and he said getting between 70 and 80 in a general Media Studies/ Media Communication course, and do really well in your first year.
Help, i dont understand :tickedoff:
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It's pretty hard to compare uni marks to school marks, and uni marks vary greatly from course to course - at my uni, for example, it's much easier in some sense to get an 80 for a science subject than a law subject, because the law subjects are marked according to a bell-curve that only allows 2-5% of students to get 80+, whereas science subjects are not.
In general, however, I'd say getting 70+ is quite doable for an intelligent student, but certainly not easy. If you got As in that subject at school, then if you put in the required amount of work, you ought to be able to get 70+ in that subject at uni. If you got A+s, then likewise 80+. But this estimate by no means is particularly accurate; I've had friends who "only" got 89 for their ENTER but average well over 80 at uni, and similarly friends who got 99 but get low 60s (in law, admittedly).
So it definitely won't be easy and you'll very much have to be focussed on making sure that you get your desired marks, but it's certainly doable.
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my fren that has completed 1st year engineering at melb uni says that u will be laughing to get into the 70s.
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my fren that has completed 1st year engineering at melb uni says that u will be laughing to get into the 70s.
What do you mean by this? That one cannot achieve 70's at uni? Different subjects call for different types of marks, and anyone can achieve anything if they put their mind to it... (I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say, but still, anyone can do anything! :P)
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My fren is implying that it's quite hard to get into the 70's. (well for engineering anyway)
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I'm pretty sure the course misskaraleah is going to do is Media Studies at La Trobe...
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My fren is implying that it's quite hard to get into the 70's. (well for engineering anyway)
Lolz, not really. Ask Coblin...
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Are University policies available on their marking schemes? (eg. for Monash?)
And are there differnt marking policies for each policy (ike humph explained for ANU)
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What i want to know is what to expect on the first day/week of uni. Assignments already?
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My fren is implying that it's quite hard to get into the 70's. (well for engineering anyway)
Lolz, not really. Ask Coblin...
not the best of person to ask imo. His view oh how "easy" or "hard" engineering is is quite tainted due to his incredible talent in math/science subjects.
But my mate also says it's very difficult to get 70+ in engineering and he goes to melb uni (civil, 4th year). He avg's 50-60 LOL.
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What i want to know is what to expect on the first day/week of uni. Assignments already?
God no. It's usually just revising stuff you've learnt at high school (as in they cover everything you did in yr12 in a week or two). First assignment will probably be week 3 at the earliest, if the subject you're doing has assignments as part of its assessment.
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My fren is implying that it's quite hard to get into the 70's. (well for engineering anyway)
Lolz, not really. Ask Coblin...
not the best of person to ask imo. His view oh how "easy" or "hard" engineering is is quite tainted due to his incredible talent in math/science subjects.
But my mate also says it's very difficult to get 70+ in engineering and he goes to melb uni (civil, 4th year). He avg's 50-60 LOL.
To be honest I certainly don't think it's impossible. My engineering friends all average around mid-60s or so, but then again, they don't put in much effort towards their eng subjects. Of course, it may be quite different at UoM, but certainly for the most part eng shouldn't be more difficult than, say, physics.
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What i want to know is what to expect on the first day/week of uni. Assignments already?
God no. It's usually just revising stuff you've learnt at high school (as in they cover everything you did in yr12 in a week or two). First assignment will probably be week 3 at the earliest, if the subject you're doing has assignments as part of its assessment.
Seeing that she's going to be studying media, most of her coursework will be assignments, well that's what my uncle said, and he's now completing his Masters in Media. Yeah it's highly unlikely that you'll get your assignments early, although I remember getting my first assignment on the first day of uni! it was due in the second week... but it was sooooooooooooooooo easy :P (At ACU)Also I thought I'd add, that at some universities (well at least at VU) you aren't exactly told when you have assignments, it's upto you to keep track of assignments (found in subject guides)...
As for whether or not it's hard for you to get 70-80s at uni... well as others have mentioned, it would depend on the subjects that you complete... as for me 95+ was rather easy for me to achieve(Whether it was at ACU or VU)... maybe I'm just completing easy subjects lol I don't know.
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God no. It's usually just revising stuff you've learnt at high school (as in they cover everything you did in yr12 in a week or two).
do they cover the concepts or give notes with formulas etc.
isnt it impossible to cover year 12 in only two weeks?
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Is there anyway to start your subjects now? (ie. find out the text books for them, or find out the bloody assignments or something. I just wanna fucken start something!)
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What i want to know is what to expect on the first day/week of uni. Assignments already?
Nah, the first week should be really relaxed. The lecturers will introduce the courses, probably supply you with a timetable, tell you what books you need to read/buy. Use the first week to find people who share subjects with you, and make a point of sitting next to them and introducing yourself, you are sure to make some good friends that way.
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Is there anyway to start your subjects now? (ie. find out the text books for them, or find out the bloody assignments or something. I just wanna fucken start something!)
Hmm bookshop online? VU has one online, so you know what books you need for every subject... that way you can at least read the textbook! Not sure if you'll get subject guides til you enrol... and access them via WebCT (or Blackboard, or whatever it's called now) ;D
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God no. It's usually just revising stuff you've learnt at high school (as in they cover everything you did in yr12 in a week or two).
do they cover the concepts or give notes with formulas etc.
isnt it impossible to cover year 12 in only two weeks?
They just run through the main concepts, mention the important formulae etc. It's basically to remind you of what foundations you'll need for the course and if you need to brush up on anything.
Is there anyway to start your subjects now? (ie. find out the text books for them, or find out the bloody assignments or something. I just wanna fucken start something!)
Well if you know what subjects you're doing then you can look up their subject description on the university's website. At ANU this includes things like the syllabus, the assessment structure, and even sometimes what the textbook is. You could also try to find someone who's done the subjects you're doing before and ask what the textbook is, what might be viable to try to learn over the holidays, and so on. I basically just read stuff on wikipedia and download ebooks on my subjects (e.g. I'm doing a subject next semester called Differential Geometry Honours, so I look up the wiki page for differential geometry, and download any ebooks called Introduction to Differential Geometry or anything along those lines). Of course I don't understand half the stuff, but it gives me a general flavour of the subject so it's not too foreign to me when I actually start it.
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Oh ok. yeh iv looked up the subject descriptions. it doesnt tell me the books though. and i dont know anyone who has done these subjects. i will def be doing an acc and mgmt subject in sem1. i want to learn! :(
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Oh ok. yeh iv looked up the subject descriptions. it doesnt tell me the books though. and i dont know anyone who has done these subjects. i will def be doing an acc and mgmt subject in sem1. i want to learn! :(
You don't know the subject code?
Hmm I could give you some of my old notes on management if that would help? :o
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this is the management one
http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/handbooks/units/MGF1010.html
Is the synopsis and learning objectives similar?
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which uni are you going to costa?
monash? since ur post
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yes monash university, at least for semester 1. After that its either continue in course or tranfer to UoM for semester 2.
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which uni are you going to costa?
monash? since ur post
yes monash university, at least for semester 1. After that its either continue in course or tranfer to UoM for semester 2.
You legend Costa. You made it to Monash, the interview must have been great. Feels good!
How did you get the spot?
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this is the management one
http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/handbooks/units/MGF1010.html
Is the synopsis and learning objectives similar?
o_O whoa! That's like almost identical... *whispers* I'll give you the lecture notes .... muhahahahaha ! (only if you want to take a look) ;D
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Yes please. That will be greatly appreciated. (PM me your msn. I deleted a lot of VN people off MSN when I was clearing my contact list months ago. Nothing personal, just wanted to simplify my contact list)
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Yes please. That will be greatly appreciated. (PM me your msn. I deleted a lot of VN people off MSN when I was clearing my contact list months ago. Nothing personal, just wanted to simplify my contact list)
Will do... ^^ Oh just pm your msn, and I'll send them to you. :)
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This is in my case only, obviously different universities will have different marking schemes with different meanings and so on. Also some people will find that they don't have to work as hard at, say, an 80, as others do.
I find that if work I hand in gets an 80, I really deserved it. As in, I put in an enormous amount of effort. Above 70 isn't too hard provided that you apply yourself and do all the assigned readings and stuff. The real difference, I think, between a 75 and an 80 seems to be more about writing quality than about quality of research. Grades above about 78 are also given for fairly creative work unless it isn't so creative but extremely well executed. If you get a 78 or 79 instead of an 80 (has happened to me twice!) it's usually just one problem with it and the assessor feels that the presence of this problem renders the essay 'unworthy' of a high distinction.
This is for Arts though, some subjects are much easier. I got an 84 for psychology in my first semester with very little trouble. All I did was go over my lecture notes and write summaries for the little topic quizzes. And my research report just followed the guidelines which were very clearly set out.
I personally haven't dreamed of getting a 90 in an arts subject this year (even though I got an 89 for my second semester of UMEP, go figure), but people do! Usually it comes as a surprise.
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well for me doing science ive got around 78 avg over the yr ... and comon its me lol but yeah if you do all ur assignments and quizes and study for the exam (the day before) lol and yeah just read over the notes and the books then you'll do well to get over 70 ... my assignments/tests/quizes in science really helps to actually study for the exam so yeah goodluck
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http://www.policy.monash.edu/policy-bank/academic/education/assessment/assessment-of-coursework-procedures.html
Unofficially, they aim to get ~19% of (undergraduate) students in to the HD range of marks. However, they don't tend to 'scale' marks as such (they will review the marking procedures / assessment difficulty for future groups).
Of course, the figure was hearsay from a lecturer that had a big mouth :P.
As for personal experience, I never really had to try *ludicrously* hard to get the marks that I did - but this was mainly because I'm studying a field that I've been passionate about since I was a child (and thus already have a lot of the knowledge already). That being said, for the (elective) subjects that I took on like management and contract/tort/company law, I really did have to work my butt off to get a HD and C in the respective subjects.
I would say a mix of your ENTER, the subject area's study scores, your prior knowledge and personal interests are the best indicator of what you may get at University (there are, of course, other variables involved in this such as events that happen during the course of your story).
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I've found that scaling of scores does happen if the overall performance on a particular subject is quite low. For example, I got 81 for Electromagnetism and Special Rel this semester (I'm doing Chem Eng/Science @ UoM) despite doing quite poorly on the exam itself. For the most part though, i have gotten what I deserved in my opinion in my two years at uni.