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General Discussion => General Discussion Boards => Rants and Debate => Topic started by: cara.mel on November 04, 2008, 10:33:11 am
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someone from this site I got along with for almost a year, I decide to lend them my notes for a subject to return after exams.
now it is a logical time to want them back. the person who has borrowed them is adamant on returning them on their own terms. They have chosen to go on a holiday after VCE and have said that they will not return it before mid december at all and will only start *considering* the concept of returning it after that. They have also said to me when I asked about when they will return it that they are effectively holding my notes hostage from me and there is 'shit all I can do about it' to get them back.
they were of great personal value to me and I want them returned but I don't see it coming back :'( :'( :'( :'(. I do not need this shit during my own exam period. I trust someone and it comes back to bite me. hard.
it is just a note book it would cost bugger all to send it in the mail.
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Ah, that sucks Caramel. Hopefully this person becomes ridden with guilt when they realise that everyone here is backing you, and plain and simple it's a low thing to do, betraying your trust and disregarding your feelings.
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But why do you need the notes if they are VCE related?
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THAT MAKES ME PRETTY ANGRY
NOW I WANT TO STOMP WITH MY FEET
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Because I like learning and I don't do this subject any more at uni and it was a good reference for me.
Ah, that sucks Caramel. Hopefully this person becomes ridden with guilt when they realise that everyone here is backing you, and plain and simple it's a low thing to do, betraying your trust and disregarding your feelings.
He doesn't seem to feel guilt. I tried on IRC :(
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Stop stressing yourself out about it. Trust that we'll all work together to get it back, ok? :)
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the borrowers not budging though.
he has just sent to me then:
"I've already said that it will be posted, so i don't know what you are on."
however there is no time constraint at all on this, nor does he know where to send it to yet, so this sentence is a lie :P
I have tried to ask where he lives so I can pick it up myself but he does not wish to disclose this information. It seems to be the only way to go about it.
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LOL OH SHIT
CARAMEL ON YOUR DOORSTEP
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Please return it within a week, Mao -_-
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Why would you bring up names? Are you trying to turn people against people? Childish.
I honestly can't believe that you would want notes for a VCE subject you did 1 year ago over the coming summer holidays, go outside for gods sake. In my opinion you only want them back because you're not on good terms with him anymore.
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Why would you bring up names? Are you trying to turn people against people? Childish.
I honestly can't believe that you would want notes for a VCE subject over the coming summer holidays, go outside for gods sake.
It her notes, she has every right to have them back when she wants. Are you trying to justify theft?
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Why would you bring up names? Are you trying to turn people against people? Childish.
I honestly can't believe that you would want notes for a VCE subject you did 1 year ago over the coming summer holidays, go outside for gods sake. In my opinion you only want them back because you're not on good terms with him anymore.
I want them back because they're mine. Why the hell wouldn't I want my belongings back :P
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BUCKET AND MAO VS CARAMEL AND EXCALIBUR
WHO CAME TO WIN ?
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lol droodles.
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Ah, that sucks Caramel. Hopefully this person becomes ridden with guilt when they realise that everyone here is backing you, and plain and simple it's a low thing to do, betraying your trust and disregarding your feelings.
This is the viewpoint that most reasonable and empathetic people would take. Those with an already biased viewpoint come into this rant with a less than empathetic view.
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Look, I'll return them when I feel like it ok!!!! geez
:P
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CALL THE COPS AND BUST DOWN HIS FRONT DOOR AND GET YOUR NOTES BACK!!!!
btw.... i'm being sarcastic here.
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You really can't trust anyone(including friends) in year 12, if it has anything to do with their studies and getting ahead. >:( From my experience anyway.
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i say fuck the notes and make new ones if you really love the subject or go buy books on the subject; afterall they're only notes... and it's only VCE. Life goes on. Feel the fresh air as is swoops past your hair.
But i must say that they are your notes and if you REALLY feel that passionate about them then try get them back.
It her notes, she has every right to have them back when she wants. Are you trying to justify theft?
although i don't really advocate what you're saying here excal. I mean it's not really theft if caramel gave them to that person without actually knowing where they live or who they are, I say that's a stupid thing to do. If you knew that they don't even know were you live, you wouldn't give out "special" notes.
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I can't imagine why this is such a huge deal.
Like, yes of course caramel should get the right to retain her notes, but they are just notes for a subject that she no longer does and hasn't done for a year- is it really that essential to get them back right now? All involved (on both sides) don't seem to be handling the matter with a whole lot of tact or maturity. Yes, the borrower should give them back when caramel requests them to be given back- but why does she need them now? Unless variables such as a sibling/best friend/etc etc needing these notes come into play I just dont understand the urgency and thus need for name dropping. The rant was perfectly warranted, but name dropping is so immature and primary school.
This all seems a bit about forum politics more than anything else.
DISCLAIMER: I am not on anyones side, nor is this post meant to offend any member of either side of this argument. :)
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I can't imagine why this is such a huge deal.
Like, yes of course caramel should get the right to retain her notes, but they are just notes for a subject that she no longer does and hasn't done for a year- is it really that essential to get them back right now? All involved (on both sides) don't seem to be handling the matter with a whole lot of tact or maturity. Yes, the borrower should give them back when caramel requests them to be given back- but why does she need them now? Unless variables such as a sibling/best friend/etc etc needing these notes come into play I just dont understand the urgency and thus need for name dropping. The rant was perfectly warranted, but name dropping is so immature and primary school.
This all seems a bit about forum politics more than anything else.
DISCLAIMER: I am not on anyones side, nor is this post meant to offend any member of either side of this argument. :)
I think the first post has already outlined hostile behaviour from the borrower, which validates her concerns.
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I lol'd
here's a few things that have been conveniently left out
- I have promised [on several occasions] that I will return them, except I am currently in my exams period, and I leave for china pretty much AS SOON AS exams finish, so it'll be an unnecessary burden on me to have to rush around to return the notes
- I have been accused of being a thief, a bastard, a dipshit, and a cunt. It is my understanding that when you want someone else to do something, a little respect is given?
- This is AFTER the events of last night [or was it the night before] when I explained to her that I intended to return things to her ASAP, and had she not been a haggering nagging <expletive>, i would have been more than happy to go out of my way to return it to her
- This is AFTER about a month of no contact, immediately afterwards I was accused of not returning it [and withholding without intention of returning it...? see first point] when I had no prior knowledge of her wanting her notes back immediately, which I easily could have done when MUEP classes were still on
- The PMs immediately prior to the one which I was quoted in [earlier in the thread, and without permission, mind you... code of conduct?] received by me was abrupt and included calling me a "dipshit"... I believe any sensible person would choose to not reveal address to those kind of messages
to clarify a few more things:
- caramel is in first year uni, and afaik she no longer undertake any linguistic studies
- the notebook was lent originally with "take as long as you like", and at that point I have promised "I'll return after exams" [which I still am intending to]
- the reason this conflict is in place is because I have not given a set date by which the book will be returned. the closest post office takes me at least an hour to get to [one way], car transport is also out of the option.
so guilt-trip me all you like, I am doing what I am capable of in light of higher priorities. So really, what's all the fretting about?
oh, and, yes, it is perfectly within her rights to ask for it back, and for the nth time, i will return it.
but when i get harrassed about it every day, i tend to ignore it and not respond, and I'm sure that's understandable.
oops, said too much.
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I can't imagine why this is such a huge deal.
Like, yes of course caramel should get the right to retain her notes, but they are just notes for a subject that she no longer does and hasn't done for a year- is it really that essential to get them back right now? All involved (on both sides) don't seem to be handling the matter with a whole lot of tact or maturity. Yes, the borrower should give them back when caramel requests them to be given back- but why does she need them now? Unless variables such as a sibling/best friend/etc etc needing these notes come into play I just dont understand the urgency and thus need for name dropping. The rant was perfectly warranted, but name dropping is so immature and primary school.
This all seems a bit about forum politics more than anything else.
DISCLAIMER: I am not on anyones side, nor is this post meant to offend any member of either side of this argument. :)
I think the first post has already outlined hostile behaviour from the borrower, which validates her concerns.
yes coblin. I am indeed hostile [to the max]
please smite me with your rationality and higher intelligence. I beg it.
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- I have promised [on several occasions] that I will return them, except I am currently in my exams period, and I leave for china pretty much AS SOON AS exams finish, so it'll be an unnecessary burden on me to have to rush around to return the notes
Oh, so it's all about you is it?
- I have been accused of being a thief, a bastard, a dipshit, and a cunt. It is my understanding that when you want someone else to do something, a little respect is given?
Oh please, nobody would have called you that until you resisted to giving the book back.
- This is AFTER the events of last night [or was it the night before] when I explained to her that I intended to return things to her ASAP, and had she not been a haggering nagging <expletive>, i would have been more than happy to go out of my way to return it to her
ASAP is not after you go on a holiday to China. You're on IRC a lot of the time, you're writing exam solutions for people, and you're still too busy? How self-righteous.
- caramel is in first year uni, and afaik she no longer undertake any linguistic studies
Irrelevant. It's none of your business what she wishes to do with her own property.
so guilt-trip me all you like, I am doing what I am capable of in light of higher priorities. So really, what's all the fretting about?
Higher priorities, being ones that serve yourself mainly, and disregarding other people's property rights.
oh, and, yes, it is perfectly within her rights to ask for it back, and for the nth time, i will return it.
but when i get harrassed about it every day, i tend to ignore it and not respond, and I'm sure that's understandable.
I guess, but I wouldn't really call 'shit all you can do about it' as ignoring. That's hostile mate, to answer your latest post.
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- I have promised [on several occasions] that I will return them, except I am currently in my exams period, and I leave for china pretty much AS SOON AS exams finish, so it'll be an unnecessary burden on me to have to rush around to return the notes
Oh, so it's all about you is it?
- I have been accused of being a thief, a bastard, a dipshit, and a cunt. It is my understanding that when you want someone else to do something, a little respect is given?
Oh please, nobody would have called you that until you resisted to giving the book back.
- This is AFTER the events of last night [or was it the night before] when I explained to her that I intended to return things to her ASAP, and had she not been a haggering nagging <expletive>, i would have been more than happy to go out of my way to return it to her
ASAP is not after you go on a holiday to China. You're on IRC a lot of the time, you're writing exam solutions for people, and you're still too busy? How self-righteous.
- caramel is in first year uni, and afaik she no longer undertake any linguistic studies
Irrelevant. It's none of your business what she wishes to do with her own property.
so guilt-trip me all you like, I am doing what I am capable of in light of higher priorities. So really, what's all the fretting about?
Higher priorities, being ones that serve yourself mainly, and disregarding other people's property rights.
oh, and, yes, it is perfectly within her rights to ask for it back, and for the nth time, i will return it.
but when i get harrassed about it every day, i tend to ignore it and not respond, and I'm sure that's understandable.
I guess, but I wouldn't really call 'shit all you can do about it' as ignoring. That's hostile mate, to answer your latest post.
Exactly Collin. In my view, if it's Mel's property, she has the right to have it back when ever she wants. She produced it, and thus holds the rights to it. It's not your business if she's in 1st year uni or last year uni.
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because of higher priorities, I will only address the last point. [the answer to previous points can be found in previous posts, if you are objective enough to see them]
that "shit all you can do about it" reference is the funniest thing about the whole issue, and was completely blown out of nature as I'd assume it would be. the convenience to you guys is that the previous line was completely ignored, which was "if I really wanted to keep it"
when clearly, i have already promised many times [and again] that I will return it.
I thought saying that would at least bring some reality into her and keep her quiet a little bit so I can say what I needed to say, but apparently that invited nothing but "reaction to seeming hostility". Next time I will seek better ways to knock sense into people.
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judge judy desperately needed itt.
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Is it that inconvinient to go to the post office and send it off in the mail?
This whole thing is stupud.
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because of higher priorities, I will only address the last point. [the answer to previous points can be found in previous posts, if you are objective enough to see them]
that "shit all you can do about it" reference is the funniest thing about the whole issue, and was completely blown out of nature as I'd assume it would be. the convenience to you guys is that the previous line was completely ignored, which was "if I really wanted to keep it"
when clearly, i have already promised many times [and again] that I will return it.
I thought saying that would at least bring some reality into her and keep her quiet a little bit so I can say what I needed to say, but apparently that invited nothing but "reaction to seeming hostility". Next time I will seek better ways to knock sense into people.
clearly you're the one who needs some sense knocked into you. how wud that make her quiet a little bit?
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- caramel is in first year uni, and afaik she no longer undertake any linguistic studies
Irrelevant. It's none of your business what she wishes to do with her own property.
For example: She might be looking at tutoring the subject next year and thus in need of her notes.
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because of higher priorities, I will only address the last point. [the answer to previous points can be found in previous posts, if you are objective enough to see them]
that "shit all you can do about it" reference is the funniest thing about the whole issue, and was completely blown out of nature as I'd assume it would be. the convenience to you guys is that the previous line was completely ignored, which was "if I really wanted to keep it"
when clearly, i have already promised many times [and again] that I will return it.
I thought saying that would at least bring some reality into her and keep her quiet a little bit so I can say what I needed to say, but apparently that invited nothing but "reaction to seeming hostility". Next time I will seek better ways to knock sense into people.
clearly you're the one who needs some sense knocked into you. how wud that make her quiet a little bit?
Besides Mao, had you not turned hostile to Mel all of a sudden (to which I'm perplexed about any rational explanation for, but I guess that's your perogative), this probably will not have happened.
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I can't imagine why this is such a huge deal.
Like, yes of course caramel should get the right to retain her notes, but they are just notes for a subject that she no longer does and hasn't done for a year- is it really that essential to get them back right now? All involved (on both sides) don't seem to be handling the matter with a whole lot of tact or maturity. Yes, the borrower should give them back when caramel requests them to be given back- but why does she need them now? Unless variables such as a sibling/best friend/etc etc needing these notes come into play I just dont understand the urgency and thus need for name dropping. The rant was perfectly warranted, but name dropping is so immature and primary school.
This all seems a bit about forum politics more than anything else.
DISCLAIMER: I am not on anyones side, nor is this post meant to offend any member of either side of this argument. :)
Mao and caramel were once quite good friends. She lent him the notes on the basis of that trust. However, Mao has turned quite hostile towards her (for reasons I can't quite decipher how) in the last month or two and she's recently caught on.
Basically, I think (speculation here) that she sees no reason to be nice (lending him her notes) to Mao anymore because she doesn't get it back from him.
That's the situation, from what I know anyway.
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Conundrums...
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However, Mao has turned quite hostile towards her (for reasons I can't quite decipher how) in the last month or two and she's recently caught on.
Maybe he just got fed up with her constant harassment. Nobody likes an emotional girl. lol :)
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However, Mao has turned quite hostile towards her (for reasons I can't quite decipher how) in the last month or two and she's recently caught on.
Maybe he just got fed up with her constant harassment. Nobody likes an emotional girl. lol :)
Read a bit more carefully. Her requests for the book only occurred after the hostility to her from Mao had been occurring for a few weeks.
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What is the cause for hostility?
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Why can't we be friends?
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What is the cause for hostility?
because of higher priorities, I will only address the last point. [the answer to previous points can be found in previous posts, if you are objective enough to see them]
that "shit all you can do about it" reference is the funniest thing about the whole issue, and was completely blown out of nature as I'd assume it would be. the convenience to you guys is that the previous line was completely ignored, which was "if I really wanted to keep it"
when clearly, i have already promised many times [and again] that I will return it.
I thought saying that would at least bring some reality into her and keep her quiet a little bit so I can say what I needed to say, but apparently that invited nothing but "reaction to seeming hostility". Next time I will seek better ways to knock sense into people.
clearly you're the one who needs some sense knocked into you. how wud that make her quiet a little bit?
Besides Mao, had you not turned hostile to Mel all of a sudden (to which I'm perplexed about any rational explanation for, but I guess that's your perogative), this probably will not have happened.
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im not taking sides, but i know this close to exams i would not want to give back notes that i have relied on so heavily. but of course this is no reason for hostility. notes are easily photocopied/copied out in own words.
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However, Mao has turned quite hostile towards her (for reasons I can't quite decipher how) in the last month or two and she's recently caught on.
Maybe he just got fed up with her constant harassment. Nobody likes an emotional girl. lol :)
Read a bit more carefully. Her requests for the book only occurred after the hostility to her from Mao had been occurring for a few weeks.
this is the set of events as occurred to me:
- I called you a fuckwit over the Khalid issue
- She wasn't exactly happy over that
- some random stuff happens in between
- there was some useless posts/threads she started
- I responded, [and I have already explained to her], in a manner that I would have responded to anybody, even if it was Ahmad.
- that was taken over-seriously
- a month of silence
- English exam, marking commencement of my exam period [that was last week]
- then I WANT MY NOTEBOOK AND I WANT IT NOW.
ye be the judge.
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Bahah, mao from an impartial view and seeing some of the posts (the tone of them) that you have sent in response to some of Mel's things woiuldnt appear as though thats how you wooda treated anyone hahah
Feuds are cute (L)
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High drama.
This is entertaining. Please continue.
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ehh i recken is all bulshit really. Fighting over notes? i mean COME ON GET OVER IT. People are dying of hunger in south africa and here is a fight about notes? VCE subject notes in which no one will need after 3 weeks? geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez. Dymocks book shops sell some pretty neat books i hear...
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*Puts legal cap on*
- I have promised [on several occasions] that I will return them,
Relevant
- the notebook was lent originally with "take as long as you like",
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except I am currently in my exams period, and I leave for china pretty much AS SOON AS exams finish, so it'll be an unnecessary burden on me to have to rush around to return the notes
irrelevant, particularly given her offer of coming to your house to collect it.
- I have been accused of being a thief, a bastard, a dipshit, and a cunt. It is my understanding that when you want someone else to do something, a little respect is given?
irrelevant
I believe any sensible person would choose to not reveal address to those kind of messages
irrelevant
- caramel is in first year uni, and afaik she no longer undertake any linguistic studies
irrelevant
the closest post office takes me at least an hour to get to [one way], car transport is also out of the option.
irrelevant
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ehh i recken is all bulshit really. Fighting over notes? i mean COME ON GET OVER IT. People are dying of hunger in south africa and here is a fight about notes? VCE subject notes in which no one will need after 3 weeks? geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez. Dymocks book shops sell some pretty neat books i hear...
LOL
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Now now children, let us all play nice-like. I want everyone to take a step back (not literally, you won't be able to read the computer screen. I meant it metaphorically) and view the situation with out bias. The situation as I see it is RIDICULOUS! If Mao needed the notes so badly he could have taken the time to photocopy them, or derive his own notes. Likewise if Caramel wanted her notes back so urgently, she would have asked earlier than she did. This is a game of tug of war and whoever cries the loudest and throws the biggest tantum will win. Let the games begin!
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High drama.
This is entertaining. Please continue.
+1
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Any set date on when you plan on returning them, if you are at all?
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Any set date on when you plan on returning them, if you are at all?
ur unbelievable
let's all wait for Excalibur to reply
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Why am I unbeliveable? (what have I done that is stupid :P)
I want to know if he is intending to return them as he says, whats wrong with that? 'oh I'm going to return them at t= infinity' isn't good enough, sorry.
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Wait, I don't see the problem here, according to brendans post caramel has offered to go pick up the book, right?
So why can't that happen? It'll only take like a minute or two to get the door and hand the book back. Problem solved?
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Wait, I don't see the problem here, according to brendans post caramel has offered to go pick up the book, right?
So why can't that happen? It'll only take like a minute or two to get the door and hand the book back. Problem solved?
Because he won't tell me his address when I asked for it and I cannot determine using the white pages which house is his. Thus I cannot make my own way to pick them up.
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But Mao didn't give Caramel his address? Or have I misread through the whole thing? :P
EDIT: So I was reading correctly :)
EDIT 2: Good luck caramel! Hopefully you get your notes back and the dispute is settled with little commotion... Although I don't think this is possible now. :(. I know how it felt to lose one of my priceless note books... :'(
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Fuck I'm so smart. On a mutually agreeable date, Mao is to leave the bound notes in a national park or other relatively empty place) close to his house (easily accessable for Mao to get too). He will hide it somewhere and tell her where it is. She will pick it up from there with exacal. Everyone is happy.
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I want them back because they're mine. Why the hell wouldn't I want my belongings back :P
Fair enough. He should give it back because it belongs to you. But surely there is no urgency to get you're VCE study notes back. I mean, when you get them back, I'd happily place a bet that you wouldn't start reading and studying the notes immediately, because lets face it, you don't need them anymore. If you genuinely want to expand your knowledge further on the subject, perhaps read some other resources. To be honest, I think you're being anal about the situation and just need to move on for you're own benefit.
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Fuck I'm so smart. On a mutually agreeable date, Mao is to leave the bound notes in a national park or other relatively empty place) close to his house (easily accessable for Mao to get too). He will hide it somewhere and tell her where it is. She will pick it up from there with exacal. Everyone is happy.
Hehe, that is actually quite smart... But will it be convenient for BOTH of them?
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EDIT 2: Good luck caramel! Hopefully you get your notes back and the dispute is settled with little commotion... Although I don't think this is possible now. :(. I know how it felt to lose one of my priceless note books... :'(
this whole thread reminds of an ebay scam .. you shouldv'e used a 3rd party (eg Paypal) to protect the goods! duh
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The fact that this has been dragged out onto a public forum is somewhat sad
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Fuck I'm so smart. On a mutually agreeable date, Mao is to leave the bound notes in a national park or other relatively empty place) close to his house (easily accessable for Mao to get too). He will hide it somewhere and tell her where it is. She will pick it up from there with exacal. Everyone is happy.
But costargh nominates himself as a middle-man for this 'transaction' as Mao and caramel probably don't want to be talking, and once he finds out this secret place, he runs down and ends up taking the notebook for himself. COMMOTION ENSUES! WILL CARAMEL EVER GET HER NOTEBOOK BACK!? FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON VN.
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EDIT 2: Good luck caramel! Hopefully you get your notes back and the dispute is settled with little commotion... Although I don't think this is possible now. :(. I know how it felt to lose one of my priceless note books... :'(
this whole thread reminds of an ebay scam .. you shouldv'e used a 3rd party (eg Paypal) to protect the goods! duh
LOL
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this thread is stupid
swap to sweet nothings
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COMMOTION ENSUES! WILL CARAMEL EVER GET HER NOTEBOOK BACK!? FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON VN.
LOL! it's a soap opera!
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Fuck I'm so smart. On a mutually agreeable date, Mao is to leave the bound notes in a national park or other relatively empty place) close to his house (easily accessable for Mao to get too). He will hide it somewhere and tell her where it is. She will pick it up from there with exacal. Everyone is happy.
But costargh nominates himself as a middle-man for this 'transaction' as Mao and caramel probably don't want to be talking, and once he finds out this secret place, he runs down and ends up taking the notebook for himself. COMMOTION ENSUES! WILL CARAMEL EVER GET HER NOTEBOOK BACK!? FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON VN.
bahha dramatic. Send this idea into home and away. they're running out of ideas, theyll use it
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this thread will end up being caramel bashing or mao bashing...*sigh* someone end it now before another incident like costa's (no offence intended to you costa :) ) for those of you who've been here long enough...
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this thread will end up being caramel bashing or mao bashing...*sigh* someone end it now before another incident like costa's (no offence intended to you costa :) ) for those of you who've been here long enough...
What happened with costa?
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this thread will end up being caramel bashing or mao bashing...*sigh* someone end it now before another incident like costa's (no offence intended to you costa :) ) for those of you who've been here long enough...
HEY WHEN WAS THERE COSTA BASHING??? :(
hahha probably a few instances.
I'd personally like to see mel v mao punchon down at dandy plazza. bring the boys
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bahha dramatic. Send this idea into home and away. they're running out of ideas, theyll use it
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LMAO; thats totally true!!!
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What about bold and the beautiful? :P
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This is a game of tug of war and whoever cries the loudest and throws the biggest tantum will win. Let the games begin!
oh and we all know who is adept in that :S.
I want them back because they're mine. Why the hell wouldn't I want my belongings back :P
Fair enough. He should give it back because it belongs to you. But surely there is no urgency to get you're VCE study notes back. I mean, when you get them back, I'd happily place a bet that you wouldn't start reading and studying the notes immediately, because lets face it, you don't need them anymore. If you genuinely want to expand your knowledge further on the subject, perhaps read some other resources. To be honest, I think you're being anal about the situation and just need to move on for you're own benefit.
YESSSSS, EXACTLY. Why would you bring this into the attention of the community caramel? What do you think WE would do about it? I find it very, very hard to believe that the reason you want your notes back is so that you can go over them.
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I want them back because they're mine. Why the hell wouldn't I want my belongings back :P
Fair enough. He should give it back because it belongs to you. But surely there is no urgency to get you're VCE study notes back. I mean, when you get them back, I'd happily place a bet that you wouldn't start reading and studying the notes immediately, because lets face it, you don't need them anymore. If you genuinely want to expand your knowledge further on the subject, perhaps read some other resources. To be honest, I think you're being anal about the situation and just need to move on for you're own benefit.
YESSSSS, EXACTLY. Why would you bring this into the attention of the community caramel? What do you think WE would do about it? I find it very, very hard to believe that the reason you want your notes back is so that you can go over them.
Because:
a) failure to respond to PM about returning them
b) failure to take any steps to return it through asking publicly on IRC
I am trying to get them back, and hoping publicly will help speed it up given that he has no intention of returning them quickly. Coblin's posts on page 2 are a good indication of how I feel. He has plenty of time to do it and yet is only considering himself and is making no plans to return it.
I can't reproduce them and I wish to be able to refer to them ok.
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commentary from shinjtuxuxuzxsx isn't very satisfying
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needs more caps
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I want them back because they're mine. Why the hell wouldn't I want my belongings back :P
Fair enough. He should give it back because it belongs to you. But surely there is no urgency to get you're VCE study notes back. I mean, when you get them back, I'd happily place a bet that you wouldn't start reading and studying the notes immediately, because lets face it, you don't need them anymore. If you genuinely want to expand your knowledge further on the subject, perhaps read some other resources. To be honest, I think you're being anal about the situation and just need to move on for you're own benefit.
YESSSSS, EXACTLY. Why would you bring this into the attention of the community caramel? What do you think WE would do about it? I find it very, very hard to believe that the reason you want your notes back is so that you can go over them.
Because:
a) failure to respond to PM about returning them
b) failure to take any steps to return it through asking publicly on IRC
I am trying to get them back, and hoping publicly will help speed it up given that he has no intention of returning them quickly. Coblin's posts on page 2 are a good indication of how I feel. He has plenty of time to do it and yet is only considering himself and is making no plans to return it.
I can't reproduce them and I wish to be able to refer to them ok.
being selfish at this time of the year is justifiable. do you expect him to shave 2 hours out of his life right in between exams just so you can get your stupid notes? why don't you take a trip down to southeast victoria to pick them up yourself, it'll probably take just as long, only difference being you aren't in the middle of your vce exams. he is not obligated to return them to you as soon as you want them, according to him the terms were 'take as long as you like' so he is not in the wrong - he has said that he will return them WHEN HE CAN. I'd say that you are being more selfish by demanding them from him during this stressful period. If you like "learning", shouldn't you be seeking other resources, there are MUCH better ways to learn than to go over notes that you wrote a year ago. Which subject were they for anyway?
If I were in Mao's position I'd piss on the notes before returning them to you, you're being a bitch.
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-English Language
-I already live in SE melbourne (SE victoria = country :P)
-I don't know specifically where to go because he won't say (for some reason, we all know what suburb he lives in but I can't go doorknocking every house)
-I am in the middle of my uni exams too. They *do* matter and unlike VCE you actually need 50% in them to pass the unit.
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i meant south eastern suburbs =\
50% is more than achievable, i know engineering students who did hardly any work in their first year and passed easily, given your enter score result i doubt you will have any problems either.
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nonetheless its her book if she wants it back, mao should give it back
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being selfish at this time of the year is justifiable. do you expect him to shave 2 hours out of his life right in between exams just so you can get your stupid notes? why don't you take a trip down to southeast victoria to pick them up yourself, it'll probably take just as long, only difference being you aren't in the middle of your vce exams. he is not obligated to return them to you as soon as you want them, according to him the terms were 'take as long as you like' so he is not in the wrong - he has said that he will return them WHEN HE CAN. I'd say that you are being more selfish by demanding them from him during this stressful period. If you like "learning", shouldn't you be seeking other resources, there are MUCH better ways to learn than to go over notes that you wrote a year ago. Which subject were they for anyway?
If I were in Mao's position I'd piss on the notes before returning them to you, you're being a bitch.
given the tone that my address was asked for, I will not, under whatever circumstances, reveal my address.
and thanks for the support man, but the general consensus of the wiser half of VN condemns that I am wrong, and I've already fallen down the rabbit hole, so let me take all the blame =] you don't have to follow me.
the book will be returned when I have the opportunity to. I cannot make a promise on the date, but if you are still insecure after all the continued repetition of my promise [which is really droning now], I will return them to you.
ALAS, tomorrow is the fateful EL exam which this very notebook was written for. Bid me the worst luck for being a thief.
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I just think this is kinda silly.
1. Mao is going through exams, like you did, Caramel, and I'm sure you know how stressful they can be, and how little time he has even to make such a trip to see you/go to the post office. Further, he might need to go back to China urgently, but perhaps after his last exam, he will work something out and get it back to you asap.
2. While you picking it up from him is a generous offer, I can kinda understand his reluctance to give out his personal details and since you're so upset..
3. You lent your notes to him, and you were being very generous. I know it's difficult not knowing when you'll get them back, but ultimately, if he says he'll return them, he'll return them. He won't have any use for them after exams (kinda like you now but it's yours) and keeping them will be pointless. I highly doubt he'd do that to spite you either.
4. I don't think you should have publicly revealed it was him. If only it has fueled arguments and like bucket said, it doesn't help the situation. If anything, it should make Mao feel angry that you would publicly humiliate him like this, over something that's between you two, especially over the internet.
5. However Mao, in the end it IS Caramel's and she did put a lot of effort into it. If you say you're going to return them, make sure you do in the end and in the same condition that you received them.
6. There's no point calling each other 'cunts' etc, in the end it'll just breed more hate making Caramel want her book even more, and Mao more reluctant to reply or make an effort.
This is just starting to get people to disagree with each other, when in the end VCEnotes should be about helping each other out. :\
And to everyone else who's like "give it back nownownownow", Mao already stated that he can't do that, for reasons that we (as people who aren't directly involved) shouldn't need to know.
And to everyone else who's like "CARAMEL YOU'RE STUPID", you wouldn't like losing something you put effort in, either.
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If I were in Mao's position I'd piss on the notes before returning them to you, you're being a bitch.
If you were in Mao's position and you did that, there'd be some pretty neat consequences :P
the book will be returned when I have the opportunity to. I cannot make a promise on the date, but if you are still insecure after all the continued repetition of my promise [which is really droning now], I will return them to you.
Are you going to specify a time frame at all? Before November 15 or after December 15?
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It is completely ridiculous that this conflict has been made public. This will only serve to exacerbate the situation even further.
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It seems to be the trend on VN. Expose your private feuds to get what you want hahah
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It is completely ridiculous that this conflict has been made public. This will only serve to exacerbate the situation even further.
damn i shouldve wrote that in my context essay :(
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It is completely ridiculous that this conflict has been made public. This will only serve to exacerbate the situation even further.
I think she felt that she was left with no choice because PMs and other forms of direct contact were ignored. Because of that, it's somewhat justifiable (it's by no means the best solution, but stepping through her frame of mind, it's reasonable).
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Although, I dont get what Mao wouldn't reply to her PM's (assuming that what Mel said is the truth). If that was true, then it would sorta indicate to anyone that they might not get back their possessions. But I guess that now he has guaranteed that she will, she's got her answer through the public forum.
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Although, I dont get what Mao wouldn't reply to her PM's (assuming that what Mel said is the truth). If that was true, then it would sorta indicate to anyone that they might not get back their possessions. But I guess that now he has guaranteed that she will, she's got her answer through the public forum.
He has said he will, but with no timeframe or method of delivery. I have no way of knowing that this guarantee is worth anything.
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That's true, a promise to return, at some indefinite date in the future, is illusory.
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This is a dark day in VN history haha
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time for this thread to end, everyone has made their point
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Mao is probably very busy at the moment and might not want to commit to a timeframe due to the possibility that he might not be able to stick to it due to events beyond his control. I trust that Mao will return the notes though.
Perhaps, as a compromise, you could just meet at a local library near where Mao lives to receive the notes. Then Mao wouldn't have to reveal his address and he wouldn't have to waste a lot of time travelling to wherever (he could even study at the library).
Dunno, just a suggestion? :P
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I see it as relatively simple. It's caramel's property, she wants it back, and she has offered to pick it up (or go with the suggestion of meeting up at local library). That should be the end of it. The rest is really irrelevant.
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This entire fiasco is absolutely ridiculous, and this thread is locked. Mao, after your EL exam, make the effort to give mel her book back. Mel, stop dragging this out onto the forum, this entire argument is just stupid.