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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: danieltennis on January 09, 2009, 02:59:43 am
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Dear Fellow VNians,
As you know, I'm pursuing year 12 this year and the subjects I'm undertaking are:
- English
- Specialist Maths
- Physics
- IT Applications
- VET Multimedia
I'm considering to take up Further Maths or MUEP without dropping any subjects. Do you think this is an applicable decision? Is it even possible to undertake 6 subjects in year 12? Any individuals here who dovoted themselves in completing 6 or more subjects?
Regards,
D.N
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It's feasible, but feasibility and practicality are two different things. I just don't see the point. The bottom 2 are there for a reason and they should already be your safety net in case you have any bad subjects. Having a 6th subject to spend time on only serves to take up more of your precious time, which might cause a subsequent drop in your potential primary four which are the ones which actually count. Also, you can only have 2 Maths in your primary 4, so one of your Maths are going to be going to waste. Seems counter-productive to me really, unless you're taking these subjects for personal interest which I doubt.
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I see where you coming from.
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yeh i dont see the point also.
I think you should aim hard on spec and physics.
and make IT and multimedia your last two.
I Dont see why trying to hard to achieve a high score on subjects that scale soo low
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I Dont see why trying to hard to achieve a high score on subjects that scale soo low
What? I don't get the logic behind that at all. If they don't scale much, then that's more of a reason to try to score high...
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I Dont see why trying to hard to achieve a high score on subjects that scale soo low
What? I don't get the logic behind that at all. If they don't scale much, then that's more of a reason to try to score high...
end of the day i meant to say.
Dont bother doing further
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yeh i dont see the point also.
I think you should aim hard on spec and physics.
and make IT and multimedia your last two.
I Dont see why trying to hard to achieve a high score on subjects that scale soo low
I wish I can but afterall, we all do have limitations whether it's academic, social, physical etc. I am only setting myself releastic goals that are within my capabilities. I do not want to set out an impractical expectation or goal that will incapacitate myself in the future if I do not achieve the scores I have inclined for. I have predicted higher scores for multimedia and IT Applications simply because I have achieved exceptional results last year and they are both less competitive in contrast to maths/science subjects. Plus, you won't be in competition with people like mao, shinny :)
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Exactly, play your strengths. I tried fricken hard on Specialist (about 40% of my study time in exam period, around 60% normally) and it ended up being in my bottom two. The scaling system actually works, and there's a reason why it's there.
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remember that if you do further, only two of specialist, methods and further can be in your top 4.
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Dear Fellow VNians,
As you know, I'm pursuing year 12 this year and the subjects I'm undertaking are:
- English
- Specialist Maths
- Physics
- IT Applications
- VET Multimedia
I'm considering to take up Further Maths or MUEP without dropping any subjects. Do you think this is an applicable decision? Is it even possible to undertake 6 subjects in year 12? Any individuals here who dovoted themselves in completing 6 or more subjects?
Regards,
D.N
If your score is your only regard, then no, do 5. If you'd really like to do an extra subject for fun, then consider what score you need, how hard it's going to be to get it and how much harder it'll be with the extra subject -also, MUEP might help with spec, ask Mao as to how much.
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y put urself through more pain?
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well, its a bit too late to apply for MUEP maths I think.
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6 Subjects isn't that hard :P
I would have preferred only 5 though, oh well.
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You already have methods under your belt, doing another subject (your 7th) would be a total waste.
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The only benefit in doing 7 subjects is that you might improve one of your bottom 2 for 10% of it's worth. In your scenario, given your SS estimates/hopes, this would involve jumping a 4.2 up a couple of decimals at most. But as I said before, this comes at the expense of all your primary four for 100% of their worth which could involve many more aggregate points. And since you don't seem to value Maths as your strongest subjects given your estimates on Specialist/Physics, and your existing Methods score relative to your others, why pick up another Maths? At least do another IT or something that you seem to have a genuine interest and strength in. But ultimately, don't bother IMO.
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my friend did six subs in yr 12 esl chem phys bio meth and french she was from another country as well she got a 99
also first year in AUS for her
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The question isn't whether someone can do well doing 6 subjects at once, but rather, how they would relatively perform if they only had 5. Everyone's different, but I think it's a fairly safe assumption to make that you'd do better overall in 5 subjects than in 6, and that's all there is to it really.
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LOL very late for UMEP and MUEP.
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Well seeing as you can't do UMEP, you would have to take a full subject at school like further which would leave you with fewer free periods and less time and hence more stress and pressure. You will know that one of your three maths subjects would end up having to be in the bottom two which needs to be considered. Also you have to ask yourself whether you a) really enjoy further maths? (it's a lot of statistics I hear so check the book to see whether it appeals to you) and b) whether you are going to perform well at it...that's just my opinion
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If possible I would sayy drop multimedia. No one at our school ever does well at those sorts of subjects. You have to be super talented.
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Futher Maths:
Pros:
-Im assuming you are above average in maths considering you are doing specialist maths, this subject would be easy for you.
-Not Much study is involved if you are already good at maths
-It can replace one of subjects in the top 4 or bottom 2 thats if you do well
-You might be ranked one in this subject considering you are good at maths
Cons:
-Because it is easy, over confidence might get the better of you, and you would not pay attention in class which is a necessities when learning about new topics like statistics, thus you fall behind.
-You have to buy a new Calculator ti-83(unless you already have one) and get used to the functions and stuff.
-Very high competition in further maths since it one of the most populated subjects
-You have to be very consistent and not make any mistakes coz it can cost you alot.
-Another subject onto your workload already might be strenuous
Thats all i can think of, o yea in addition you cant apply for UMEP or MUEP anymore i think since applications are over ages ago, but you can try contacting them it might help dont know, most unlikely though. I am doing 6 subjects atm this year, (English,Chem,Spesh,Meth,Psychology,MUEP(maths) <- thats if i get in) i think it should be ok to do 6 just pick the right subject that you are good at and interested in (IT software development/VCD(for that multimedia aspect) . Good luck :)
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If possible I would sayy drop multimedia. No one at our school ever does well at those sorts of subjects. You have to be super talented.
actually, he is pretty talented in multimedia, the stuff he makes look pretty awesome. He's probably the best in multimedia at St John Rapist Crapfest., St Johns regional college
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Yeh I was just aking the observation that no one really goes well in it at our school, but by own means go for it.
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I did 6 subjects in Year 12, 7 overall. Fortunately my 6th subject (Software Development) didn't really require much effort, so I was able to get most of the weeks work for it done in one period. At the start of the year it might feel like you can handle the work requirements of 6 subjects, but as SACs and exam revision starts to pile up it becomes increasingly difficult to focus sufficiently on all of your classes. I ended up studying almost exclusively on only 2 of my subjects, which probably brought my score down overall.
Although, if your 6th subject choice is something you're interested in, go for it. That's the only main reason I did 6 subjects, because I wanted to do the subject, not because I wanted a higher score.
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hey, sorry to revive an old thread, but i have been considering doing 6 next year.
since i am not good at english&hate it, i was considering to do literature at school and english language outside of school to maximize my chance of getting a higher english score. i would be doing four subjects at school and EL & MUEP outside of school, which is six subjects in total. i would be getting a lot of study periods since i'm only doing four at school. is this a bad option? or is it better i just do lit or EL - five subjects.. any thoughts is helpful..:)
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What aspect of English do you hate? I wouldn't do all three Englishes - just pick two and use one as a fallback.
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even if you get extra study periods at school, those extra periods are the time you should be allocating to learning/studying EL, because if EL was offered at your school, it'd take up those frees which you've gained. so really, they're not extra periods at all if you use them properly..
so if i were you, i wouldn't opt to do 6 subjects, unless you want to burden yourself with even more work next year.
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There's a reason most schools encourage you to do five 3/4s in year 12 - because unless you were exceptionally smart, good at time management or prepared to give up most extra-curricular life, you would only have time to do well in 5 subjects.
Distance education requires a higher level of self-discipline and commitment than doing a subject inside school. I have heard it can be more stressful. You have to be motivated to do work and study on your own.
Doing two subjects by distance would be difficult on its own; doing it as part of a 6-subject year 12 would be extremely tough. I wouldn't recommend it, but only you know what you are capable of.
Also if you're not good at English I would advise against doing literature and instead do English and English Language (if you must do two). Literature is (apparently) the most challenging English subject. At my school at least, they only allowed A and A+ students to do it in year 12.
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What aspect of English do you hate? I wouldn't do all three Englishes - just pick two and use one as a fallback.
no i mean, i'm doing just literature next year, but deciding to do EL outside of school as well.
i dislike pretty much, every aspect of english hehe. :P so yeah just lit/EL not english.
even if you get extra study periods at school, those extra periods are the time you should be allocating to learning/studying EL, because if EL was offered at your school, it'd take up those frees which you've gained. so really, they're not extra periods at all if you use them properly..
so if i were you, i wouldn't opt to do 6 subjects, unless you want to burden yourself with even more work next year.
yeah i don't mind that really, as i will have EL only once a week, then i can choose a time once a week to do the work for it. i am better at doing homework during study periods then i am at home.
hmmmm. i don't want to be too burdened but i just don't know what to do about my english sbject and doing EL/Lit seems a better option then just choosing one.
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I'm confused - you hate English yet you want to pick up another English subject as your 6th in year 12?
IMO you would be much better off choosing the one English that suits you best (English, English Language or Literature) and spending more time on it, rather than doing two English subjects and having to split your study time between them.
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There's a reason most schools encourage you to do five 3/4s in year 12 - because unless you were exceptionally smart, good at time management or prepared to give up most extra-curricular life, you would only have time to do well in 5 subjects.
Distance education requires a higher level of self-discipline and commitment than doing a subject inside school. I have heard it can be more stressful. You have to be motivated to do work and study on your own.
Doing two subjects by distance would be difficult on its own; doing it as part of a 6-subject year 12 would be extremely tough. I wouldn't recommend it, but only you know what you are capable of.
Also if you're not good at English I would advise against doing literature and instead do English and English Language (if you must do two). Literature is (apparently) the most challenging English subject. At my school at least, they only allowed A and A+ students to do it in year 12.
well it's one class a week for both my outside school subjects, so i don't think it'll be too hard.
the thing is, next year i am only going to really try on three of my subjects (an english, and bio/chem) as i am hoping psych to be my top 4. so i wont be spending too much time on my other subjects (just doing the basic homework that needs to be done, ect).
i've heard that literature is the most challenging from some and others tell me it's easier. it depends what you are good at i guess. i really don't want to be doing context or language analysis next year as i've had a taste so far this year and really don't like them.
i actually much prefer to exam for literature as it is two passages to analyse, rather than three essays (which i will most likely struggle with).
thanks for the replies btw(:
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well it's one class a week for both my outside school subjects, so i don't think it'll be too hard.
Think about it this way. Your other subjects get maybe 4 hours of class time a week? Whereas the distance subjects only get one class. Therefore that class is a lot more concentrated in terms of content. Also, you'll have a lot more to do at home on your own. This requires a lot of self-discipline and motivation.
Like I said, only you know whether you're capable, but just understand what you're getting yourself into if you do 2 by distance.
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I'm confused - you hate English yet you want to pick up another English subject as your 6th in year 12?
IMO you would be much better off choosing the one English that suits you best (English, English Language or Literature) and spending more time on it, rather than doing two English subjects and having to split your study time between them.
yes i hate english, but from what i've heard of EL it doesn't really sound like the other englishes, so i don't think i'll mind it.
its just that choosing EL and Lit will give me security so that if it appears that i'm doing better at one, i can focus on that one. rather than jumping into yr12 with a guess that i'm gonna do better at that.
and i don't know which english will suit me, i really dislike english this year, i did lit last year, i liked it better (regardless that my teacher was horrid and i didn't read two of the books hehe, i only did unit 1). but i know that i will have a good techer for lit next year as i've already found out who it is (only one lit class).
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Think about it this way. Your other subjects get maybe 4 hours of class time a week? Whereas the distance subjects only get one class. Therefore that class is a lot more concentrated in terms of content. Also, you'll have a lot more to do at home on your own. This requires a lot of self-discipline and motivation.
Like I said, only you know whether you're capable, but just understand what you're getting yourself into if you do 2 by distance.
hmmm, i see.. i guess it would be more difficult that way but since one is a uni subject, it's a bit different as i'm not aiming to get super high grades, i'm doing it moreso for fun/interest, and i'll aim for a 5.0 anyways. but.. yeah i suppose doing two could be a bit much..
i don't think it would be too intense if i was only doing three subjects at school (if i did EL and not Lit), as i could spend a lot of my spares focusing on the coursework for my distance subjects.
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mao would be a good person to get advice from on this, given that he did 6 subjects in year 12, including uni maths, English and EL.
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mao would be a good person to get advice from on this, given that he did 6 subjects in year 12, including uni maths, English and EL.
ohh maybe i will, hopefully he sees this thread, but i don't think i can be compared to him. as there's no chance i'll be getting 99+ hehe unlike him!!
so basically, it's suggested if i must do another english subject with EL, it should be english, i don't really know why i've been suggested to do english so much when i'm struggling as it is in grade 11 >_>
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Everyone is suggesting you keep to English because Lit is actually more challenging, especially for somebody jumping straight into it at 3/4 level. Given that most of the people who choose it in the first place are stronger English students, you'll have a harder time getting a high study score in it. The "two passages to analyse" is also deceptive; the Argued Readings you'll be writing in the Lit exam are in a league of their own difficulty-wise, and whereas high marks in English can be obtained with 800-1000 words, with Lit you really need 1000+.
The only reason Lit would be easier is if you have a very dense, eloquent writing style (which is what Lit examiners prefer) - in English the markers want clarity rather than flamboyancy.
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Everyone is suggesting you keep to English because Lit is actually more challenging, especially for somebody jumping straight into it at 3/4 level. Given that most of the people who choose it in the first place are stronger English students, you'll have a harder time getting a high study score in it. The "two passages to analyse" is also deceptive; the Argued Readings you'll be writing in the Lit exam are in a league of their own difficulty-wise, and whereas high marks in English can be obtained with 800-1000 words, with Lit you really need 1000+.
The only reason Lit would be easier is if you have a very dense, eloquent writing style (which is what Lit examiners prefer) - in English the markers want clarity rather than flamboyancy.
well i did unit one last year as i said before, so it's not jumping straight in so much.
oh really 1000+ words!? why does it say 400~1000 on the VCAA site? i'd be surprised if over 1000 words is needed to do well if you do say 600~800 and it's pretty good. i'm not aiming for mid 40's or anything, that's definitely not possible. even getting high 30's i'd be ecstatic with!!
hmm i'm sure it would be difficult, but i will find english equally as difficult (imo).. i also am really bad at essay structure, as in i get marks deducted for poor topic sentences and introduction and so on, and don't do too bad on the actual content. so i'd enjoy doing lit for the more content focus rather than structure..
it just comes down to what's more interesting, so i'd prefer to do literature...
this is why i want to do EL as well, as it's different to english and even if i'm doing poor at normal english/lit then i can always just try hard at EL to use that instead....
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I guess that chances things a little bit - the 1000+ was directed mostly at the 40+ scores. Still, if I were you I'd probably just ditch Lit and English altogether and just focus on Language - it sounds like you'd do a lot better by just focusing on it alone.
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I guess that chances things a little bit - the 1000+ was directed mostly at the 40+ scores. Still, if I were you I'd probably just ditch Lit and English altogether and just focus on Language - it sounds like you'd do a lot better by just focusing on it alone.
hmm ok thanks.yeah i wont be aiming for any sort of 40+ if i did lit hehe.
i'll start off doing either lit or english as well as EL, just incase i change my mind.
gah so stressful haha.
so it's better to do EL + MUEP (outside school), & 3 subjects in school, then doing either lit/english+3 in school & MUEP out?
or should i figure it out myself start of next year? hmmm..
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oh && also,
is it a bad idea to do a sixth subject just for fun, not even to be put to your ENTER, like to do just because it's interesting/fun and you know it won't be even in your top 6? (for example, an art/drama/philosphy,ect), this would be done outside of school once a week, or is it better to save the fun subjects for uni??
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Well, that's basically what I'm doing with Philosophy/Uni Philosophy, but it depends on how much you value your actual ENTER score.
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If you're interested in the subject and have enough time to complete the set homework, go for it. VCE shouldn't be all about the final mark, although be wary of placing yourself under excess stress.
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to be honest the uni subjects are only most effective for 96+ enter scores where 1 point increases the enter signicantly but if you think about it MUEP chem gives you at max 5.5 which in reality is an extra 2-3 points only, considering it replaces a subject which was 20-30 study score but judging from here i doubt you will get that low of a score anyways ;). If i were you, doing double english is awesome.
-You got 2 chances to get a good score since either english can be put it in.
-Back up subject for top 4
-MUEP chem probably only 55% of it is related to the current VCE study design, (70% related to old study design)
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ooh, thanks for replies. yeah i guess i'll have to see - good thing about uni subjects is it's very easy to drop them!
(wouldn't want to think i'd have to, but just in case the work becomes too much)
mystikal- yeah the backup english would be good.. because i'm sure i'll be able to do better at englang than the other englishes, and if i find out i'm wrong then i still have the other english (i don't know if i'll be doing this though)
& yep, i spoke to the chemistry co-oridinator at monash who said there is many overlaps between uni chem & normal chem; which he said will "make vce chemistry look easy." haha.