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Uni Stuff => Faculties => Commerce => Topic started by: costargh on December 12, 2007, 03:57:42 pm
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Best places to study Commerce?
Required ENTER?
No. of years?
Who's interested?
What sort of majors are most popular?
What majors are available and the norm?
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I might be studying commerce next year !! lol.... then my postgrad degree in teaching
If I do get in it'll be at Deakin Uni =)
Not sure which uni is the best for commerce though... but i like the course at deakin =]
This is the one I'm interested in:
http://www.deakin.edu/future-students/courses/course.php?course=M307&stutype=local&keywords=Commerce
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University of Melbourne is the best place to study commerce, IMO.
If you're looking for some place with a good Management and Marketing course, I have no idea, but Melbourne would be pretty good at Economics, Finance and Accounting. Actuarial Studies is only offered at UoM in Victoria, so go figure :P
The two main majors seem to be Finance and Accounting, but you can't do both. If you choose Finance, you can take up Economics as well, but Accounting is pretty full-on, in terms of how much percentage it takes of your degree.
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UNIMELB COMMERCE FTW.
lol uhoh, I'll stop now before I unleash another spasm attack rofl.
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yeah but now melb has this "breadth" crap which means u are compelled to enroll in a certain number of non-commerce subjects as a condition of studying commerce at melbourne
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^^ Well, for actuarial students its extremely beneficial, because doing Math (Faculty of Sci) subjects is complusory :D
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http://www.bcom.unimelb.edu.au/bachelor/breadth.html
for actuarial students you have to take:
one level-100 non-commerce, and non-math subject
one level-200 non-commerce, and non math subject
I recommend you guys consider:
512-121 Social, Develop. & Clinical Psychology 1
512-223 Personality and Social Psychology 2
http://www.futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/courses/melbmodel/breadth/breadth_subjects.html#logiclanginfo
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Hmm, Psych?
Urgh. DAMN. I thought I could escape, I was wrong :( Now I hate this breadth stuph urgh, its like VCE :(
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I thought I could escape breadth if I did Arts at Melbourne by taking Psych units (you really can't get much more interdisciplinary than Psych - it's useful for Commerce, Arts and Science) or Economics but apparently if the course is offered by the Faculty it doesn't count. So if I do end up at Melbourne, I have no idea what I'm going to do. Maybe some Environments subjects or one of their specifically designed breadth subjects.
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Oh I didn't know people thought breadth subjects were a pain. Call me weird, but I like em. Now I can study the languages I've always wanted to, alongside of commerce.
Do they take up extra time in your degree though?
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Oh I didn't know people thought breadth subjects were a pain. Call me weird, but I like em. Now I can study the languages I've always wanted to, alongside of commerce.
I think the problem is that they are compulsory. Breadth subjects are great, but people should have the option to choose to use their "breadth" space in their area of specialisation.
Breadth subjects for Arts seems silly too. Nearly anything can count towards the Arts degree, so finding breadth subjects will not be very easy.
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Nah, It's like any other subject you are doing.
620-121 for example, is a subject in 1st year for eg.
:)
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Oh I didn't know people thought breadth subjects were a pain. Call me weird, but I like em. Now I can study the languages I've always wanted to, alongside of commerce.
I think the problem is that they are compulsory. Breadth subjects are great, but people should have the option to choose to use their "breadth" space in their area of specialisation.
Breadth subjects for Arts seems silly too. Nearly anything can count towards the Arts degree, so finding breadth subjects will not be very easy.
I agree with you, Coblin, arts is very broad indeed. On a sidenote, this is peeing me off (not really lol) cause I don't want to subjects I don't like lol. (and psych is one of em rofl)
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Breadth subjects take up 25% of your degree, with 75% of your degree actually focused on the name of your degree. I'm saying breadth subjects ought to be changed to take "up to 25%" (e.g: it becomes optional).
620-121 for example, is a subject in 1st year for eg.
Huh??? Sorry, but that seems completely irrelevant to this...
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I wouldn't mind doing both a Bachelor of Commerce and a Bachelor of Science (Computer Science) concurrently at the University of Melbourne. Is it possible to complete the Bachelor of Science in the breadth? My guess is no.
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Breadth subjects take up 25% of your degree, with 75% of your degree actually focused on the name of your degree. I'm saying breadth subjects ought to be changed to take "up to 25%" (e.g: it becomes optional).
Yeah I agree with you that it should be optional. So, if it wasn't compulsory, what would the other 25% be replaced with?
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Well, the rule with breadth subjects is that you cannot do subjects that could be counted towards the main part of your degree (e.g: Bachelor of Arts allows you to take Introductory Microeconomics, so therefore you cannot take that as breadth).
It means that 25% can be replaced with subjects in your degree, rather than outside of your degree (just for the sake of breadth)
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Well, the rule with breadth subjects is that you cannot do subjects that could be counted towards the main part of your degree (e.g: Bachelor of Arts allows you to take Introductory Microeconomics, so therefore you cannot take that as breadth).
It means that 25% can be replaced with subjects in your degree, rather than outside of your degree (just for the sake of breadth)
Oh man..that would suck for a lot of people. Do you reckon breadth subjects would deter people from placing Melbourne as their first preference?
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Yes, and I hope it does, to teach Melbourne a lesson for poor design of the Melbourne Model.
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lol im also wondering whether monash (clayton) or melb uni wud b a better place to study commerce. i reckon that future employers might also b sceptical of the new generation degree thing for melb uni? coz i m >.< n the enrolment for melb uni dropped a lot this year too! haha im prob doin BCom (double degree mayb?) but dunno wat major yet XD
its normally 3 years and required ENTER is 90 though for a single degree...
but yea i agree its gay they make it compulsory to hav so many breadth subjects!
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Uhh, I don't know if they set this guy up but:
http://www.bcom.unimelb.edu.au/about/bcom_video.html
and
http://www.futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/courses/melbmodel/video.html
there's a KPMG partner, saying that they endorse the Melbourne Model because the University is making breadth subjects integral to the the degree which is refreshing for them.
On a second note, the video has been updated, so I'm not sure if it's in there or not.
:)
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Well, the rule with breadth subjects is that you cannot do subjects that could be counted towards the main part of your degree (e.g: Bachelor of Arts allows you to take Introductory Microeconomics, so therefore you cannot take that as breadth).
It means that 25% can be replaced with subjects in your degree, rather than outside of your degree (just for the sake of breadth)
I don't think that is correct.
http://www.ba.unimelb.edu.au/ugrad/breadth.html
"Breadth subjects NOT available for Bachelor of Arts students: Any subject that contributes to the core program of a Bachelor of Arts degree (even if expressly available as a breadth subject for students based in another discipline)."
On my reading, if Economics if not part of your "core program" for ur BA, then I think you would be able to do Intro Micro as breadth for BA. Check with university though.
If my reading is not correct, then i rkn everyone should slap Glyn Davis for creating such a stupid rule.
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Hmm interesting. I come back from work and so much to read through lol.
I was looking a while ago into the possibility of taking up greek as a breadth subject. But I think you do it at another institution, not at Melbourne. Is that possible because I don't know if you can do that.
And does anyone have any idea what kinda ENTER you will need for a CSP @ Melb?
Did someone already answer this? Lol. I'm too tired.
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Well last year it was 95.05 at the year before it was 95.85. But due to the new reforms and stuphs, I think in 2008 it will be around ~96, possibly 96.2
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Grrrrr :'( :'( :'(
I doubt I will get that high. But my legal score may give me some indication of how I might go with my other subs but maybe Ill keep my focus as Monash Com for now haha.
96! thats tight =(
Ohh im from underepresented school!
PICK ME :angel: :angel:
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lol i reckon i did crap wid my legal =( did u apply for the kwong lee dow scholars program thing? coz that lowers it to 90 doesn't it?
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Lol, unfortunately, no. :p
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Nah I didnt apply. I didnt even know the applications had closed until I saw on this site. I dont think my school nominated anyone cause I havent heard of anyone mentioning it. I wouldnt be suprised if I was the only person in my school to know about it lol
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haha yeah theres no harm in applying for scholarships anyway... theres alwiz a chance u'd get them ^^
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Yeh but 43 after scaling with subjects like specialist and methods which you seem to be good at is imo, easier then 43 after scaling in subjects like legal, accounting (as you may realise soon [soz] =[ ) and busman.
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lol i suppose it depends how gud ure at for the subj... chinese gets scaled lots too! ^^ btw hu is ur 'you' directed to?
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Yehh but still it will always be easier to get a 40 in methods and see it go up to 45 after scaling (ie top 8% or something like that) rather than getting say a 45 raw in legal (top 2%).
Even though there is supposedly "more competetion" in methods, it doesn't make legal an easy subject. You probably know that.
The you before was directed at applexy. Hes a gun at accounting but vce acc fucked him over.
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Oh oh oh.
http://www.unimelb.edu.au/HB/areas/AMGREEK.html#S13460 <----Modern Greek
http://coursesearch.unimelb.edu.au/coursedetail.aspx?cid=1507&ctype=1&typeall=1&typepg=0&typeug=0&typesc=0&stype=careerall&sterm=[careerall]
^^^^ New Gen Com
If anyone cares to take a look at that...
If you go to "structuring a major"
If I add up all the compulsary units for a beginner in greek (meaning just the sem 1&2 for years 1,2,3 but no additional greek studies like linguistics etc) then that would give me 100 points right? And if I was to do Commerce @ Melb then I would need 100 points in breadth area subjects?
So I would be able to do Modern greek (beginners) for 3 years as a subject and that would be able to take up my entire breath subjects, leaving me with my core subjects in Commerce right?
That would be so madddddddddddddd
hhahaa
Now I just have to get a bloody good enough ENTER!!!
It would work out very nicely considering I've always wanted to learn greek (I'm alright but I can barely hold a conversation, usually understand the greek but reply in English).
So the breadth area would allow me to study greek as well as complete my degree in commerce =)
wowww
Oh btw I dont want to major in it =S
Can someone confirm if all my facts are correct?
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Yeh but 43 after scaling with subjects like specialist and methods which you seem to be good at is imo, easier then 43 after scaling in subjects like legal, accounting (as you may realise soon [soz] =[ ) and busman.
Yeah, lol. But I'm trying to get 45 for methods and possibly 41-42 for spesh lol, but I know what you mean.
and Yeah, VCE acc raped me hard ROFL.
I'll get back to you the greek thing ;)
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I want to do commerce @ Melb Uni next year, because the breadth will allow me to study a language at the same time.
Besides, it's much closer to me than Monash. I don't mind the idea of RMIT or Deakin but my first preference is definitely Melb Uni.
90 Guaranteed ENTER for '08, ~95 for CSP.
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I want to do commerce @ Melb Uni next year, because the breadth will allow me to study a language at the same time.
Besides, it's much closer to me than Monash. I don't mind the idea of RMIT or Deakin but my first preference is definitely Melb Uni.
90 Guaranteed ENTER for '08, ~95 for CSP.
Same as me
What language are you looking at studying?
Mine would have to be at L Trobe Uni as part of a cross institutional study of modern greek. I would love if I could do that. See above if you haven't seen. And that should take up my entire breadth subjects. May be the same for you. =)
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I think I might apply for the bachelor of commerce at melb uni =) Some of the breadth subjects interest me lol
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^^ you go girl ROFLDOFL.
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hmm can you still do a diploma of modern languages along side undergrad degrees? i wonder if you could do two languages along side commerce.. one through breadth and one through a diploma of mod languages.
not that ill get the score or methods requirement for commerce, damnit. should think of these things before hand
(2 days ago i was saying commerce would make me want to stab myself)
gar im an idiot. is the number of commerce places increasing or decreasing this year?
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Well, according to the stats commerce is on the increase :) :( :o :P
There was a specific figure of the increase but, unfortunately, I can't remember it :(
I hope Ahmad enjoys commerce. I have a bad feeling that I pushed him to it 8-) Nah, he will become the 1337est actuary in the world getting all the offers ;)
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Yeh there was an increase in applicants for commerce @ melb but thats mostly due to them cutting so many undergrad degrees, hence there is more availability and more demand.
Mel, same boat as me haha.
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^^ you go girl ROFLDOFL.
Lol go me =P
I had to change all my uni prefs today... but melb is now my 2nd preference =) lol
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hey you change your prefs an unlimited amount of times right? im changing mynow haha, but ill probs change my mind again.
ps whats commerce like at monash anyone?
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hmm im hoping to do chinese alongside my degree... but if they r making me compete against the china IS students im so not doing it! if it takes up all my breadth subjects tho, i cant do any other subj =( *leaning towards double degree right now though will prob change my mind in 3 secs*
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http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/0179/
Bachelor of Commerce, Monash University.
Cut off ENTER around 90.35 for CSP place according to VTAC website but I was under the impression that it was actually 93. Ah well.
I think behind Melbourne it would be the best place to study Commerce. Some of my uncles friends who are in big business seem to say that they don't even give interviews for people who haven't studied at Melbourne or Monash (for certain business-ey jobs) so I'd say its a good course
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haha thats prob coz all the smart ppl who wants to do commerce studies at melbourne or monash probably >.<
any1 has any clue bout the monash 'bachelor of acct'? its mainly work placements i heard, is it true? n also, do u get to study much of the other parts in commerce eg economics etc?
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Lol. I doubt any Uni degree is "mainly" work placements.
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hey you change your prefs an unlimited amount of times right? im changing mynow haha, but ill probs change my mind again.
ps whats commerce like at monash anyone?
Yeah you can change them an unlimited amount of times =)
As for commerce at monash i'm not too sure, but monash does seem to have quite a few commerce courses which seem to be alright =)
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I bet Odette will do all Management subjects in her Com Degree lol
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i wouldnt know whaat to major in.. what kind of job does a management major lead to?
shit this is a silly idea, what am i doing! i need to change prefs back again haha
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I bet Odette will do all Management subjects in her Com Degree lol
How'd you guess? :P
Nah not all management subjects ;)
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what kind of job does a management major lead to?
management jobs
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Lol. What would major in Odette?
Haha Nah Mel Com is a very interesting course imo and can leas to many career paths. You don't have to choose your major first year do you? So you would find out what interests you through the compulsory subs?
Did you check out the subjects on the link I provided above?
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I bet Odette will do all Management subjects in her Com Degree lol
How'd you guess? :P
Nah not all management subjects ;)
of course it can't all be management cos there are some compulsory subjects and those breadth subjects you have to do as well.
You don't have to choose your major first year do you?
i would say that you effectively have to. by the beginning of first year you should know what you want to specialize in because things like acturial studies, you need to do certain first year subjects that you cannot skip. To become a CA or CPA you need to do certain first year subjects. Majors require you to do certain 3rd year subjects, and those 3rd year subjects have 2nd year prepreqs and those 2nd year prereqs have 1st year prereqs, and thus you have to have a good idea of what you want from your commerce degree at the beginning.
Furthermore a word of warning is that if you plan to specialize in Actuarial Studies you need at least a 37 or 38 (can't remember which one) in Specialist Mathematics. Also, if you plan to specialize Economics or Finance, quantitative skills are really important. I would recommend taking all the math subjects that you can handle if you do Economics or Finance.
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I bet Odette will do all Management subjects in her Com Degree lol
How'd you guess? :P
Nah not all management subjects ;)
of course it can't all be management cos there are some compulsory subjects and those breadth subjects you have to do as well.
Exactly =) hehe
I'm thinking of choosing psychology and possibly philosophy ^_^ (Psychology will help me with teaching) ...
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Ahk. Yep. Good exaplanation. =)
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Japanese for me, costargh. My bestie's done it all through high skool as part of her IB, so she's pretty good. I know having some1 to practice with like that would spur me on, otherwise I'd do Chinese as (to me) it seems to be a more 'useful' language than Jap. However, I'm not sure if I'll have to do a dip of modern languages alongside my commerce degree, as me wanting to major in accounting = some compulsory law breadth subjects (if I should want to seek CPA endorsement), which may not leave enough space left for a language. I read something about the possibility of doing the last 50 points of a dip in mod lang HECS free, but I have no idea how any of it works...
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i tot most of the first year subjects r compulsory? like u study subjects in all the commerce disciplines?
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I bet Odette will do all Management subjects in her Com Degree lol
How'd you guess? :P
Nah not all management subjects ;)
of course it can't all be management cos there are some compulsory subjects and those breadth subjects you have to do as well.
Exactly =) hehe
I'm thinking of choosing psychology and possibly philosophy ^_^ (Psychology will help me with teaching) ...
yup psychology has some interesting applications in Marketing and Economics. The economics department even have a subject on Behavioral Economics - the intersection of market economics and psychology.
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Yeh seems like people are interested in studying lagnauges as breadth subjects. =)
Makes me feel better lol. I wish they offered Greek at Melb thou, not having to travel to LaTrobe. (if I was to get in lol)
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i tot most of the first year subjects r compulsory? like u study subjects in all the commerce disciplines?
nop. they are not all in first year. check out the unimelb website has some good info. http://www.bcom.unimelb.edu.au/bachelor/course_structure.html
there are certain exemptions for Actuarial Students though. They meet the quantitative requirements by doing the more difficult maths. Non-actuarial students can do the same if they want to, but its not common.
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What careers does actuarial studies lead to?
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and what exactly IS actuarial studies? when I first saw it I thought it had something to do with animals lol .... cos its ... sorta similar to "aquarium" .... ? fuck my mind works in strange ways
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Isn't it just like complicated maths related to business? Like Probability, statistics and stuff? lol
ARGH *runs and hides*
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'Students usually choose their major at the beginning of the second year*.
*Students pursuing actuarial studies, accounting or the approved engineering subject sequence are required to choose specific subjects from the first year.'
lol i doubt ill hav decided wat major by the end of next year so ill prob do the specific subject needed for accounting major in first year n sum others...
n i think actuarial studies lead to actuary? >.< i think its like assessing risks n stuff... mainly working in insurance n take into account all the stuff to put the pricing? working lots wid numbers n get paid LOTS lol...
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for some reason i used to think actuary had something to do with funerals. im not sure where i pulled this from. weird haha
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LOL @ melanie.dee! Thats a classic.
obituary? LOL
Yehh I see what you mean but Brendan's point is that if you have absolutely have no idea what you want to major in and then you decide 2nd year you want to do accounting and you haven't done the 1st year accounting optionals then you may be ineligible to major in it.
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yeah i get his point =) thats y ive decided (omg so much earlier) that i will do the 1st year acct subj jz in case i want to major in acct.
n lol at the funeral thing!
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Lol yeh. Commerce = dream course :smitten:
Does anyone know if you don't get into Commerce but you get into Arts @ Melbourne... whether you can study Commerce subjects as breadth subjects in your first year and then transfer into Commerce and have the breadth subjects credited towards your Commerce degree?
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i tot most of the first year subjects r compulsory? like u study subjects in all the commerce disciplines?
nop. they are not all in first year. check out the unimelb website has some good info. http://www.bcom.unimelb.edu.au/bachelor/course_structure.html
there are certain exemptions for Actuarial Students though. They meet the quantitative requirements by doing the more difficult maths. Non-actuarial students can do the same if they want to, but its not common.
on rethinking that, now with the breadth requirement, it would be advantageous to meet the quantitative requirement the way that Actuarial Students do, because you do math subjects from the science faculty rather than the commerce faculty. So that it counts towards breadth.
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So your saying that you could study more commerce subjects and meet the requirement for a major in actuarial studies through your breadth studies?
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So your saying that you could study more commerce subjects and meet the requirement for a major in actuarial studies through your breadth studies?
lol nop
the BCom has some compulsory requirements:
316-102 Introductory Microeconomics
316-101 Introductory Macroeconomics
325-201 Organisational Behaviour
Quantitative Requirement
Breadth Requirement
You can satisfy the Quantitative requirement by doing subjects from the commerce faculty or by doing subjects from the science faculty. Though the math subjects from the science faculty are more difficult, its advantageous to do the math subjects from the science faculty because you hit two birds with the one stone (quantitative requirement and the breadth requirement)
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Btw I've decided I'm going to do BCom(Management)... I like the subjects =) lol
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Ahh I see so the one subject can concurrently satisfy the requirements of two areas, the Quantitative and Breadth requirement?
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a bit too much fluff in management for my taste :P
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Lol. Thats good. I'm only putting down CSP places next year. Are you guys putting and full fee places?
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Ohh I have a question. I will research after I post this. And I know the answer is 99% no.
But just a few weeks ago I completed my Certificate III in Retail Operations and I know that its a stupid question but that doesn't have any relevance or significance to doing any Uni courses does it?
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All mine are CSP =)
Oh and what do you mean by fluff? lol
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Ohh I have a question. I will research after I post this. And I know the answer is 99% no.
But just a few weeks ago I completed my Certificate III in Retail Operations and I know that its a stupid question but that doesn't have any relevance or significance to doing any Uni courses does it?
Can you like rephrase your question lol??
Are you asking if that certificate is relevant/significant in relation to uni courses?
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haha im thinking of majoring in management... but i think u dun hav to in order to b a manager? i heard from my dad that a lot of the managers from the commerce field started as accountants n slowly work their way up so yea =S
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Mmm I mean like it has no useful purpose other than giving me some knowledge in retail operations and has no useful purpose like credit to any uni courses or any extra chances of getting in.
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Mmm I mean like it has no useful purpose other than giving me some knowledge in retail operations and has no useful purpose like credit to any uni courses or any extra chances of getting in.
Oh then nah i dont think so =P lol
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Ahh I see so the one subject can concurrently satisfy the requirements of two areas, the Quantitative and Breadth requirement?
on re-rethinking that, the only downside is that you need at least 37/38 in Spesh or if you don't have that you would need to get at least a H2B (70) in 620-143 Applied Mathematics
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a bit too much fluff in management for my taste :P
What do you mean by fluff? lol
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Oh ok. I've still got ages to decide on my major anyways =)
Just did some research. Don't think my gay traineeship is worth anything haha
Oh well the government paid for it =)
Garghh I badly want to be at UoM in 09 on a CSP!
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Oh ok. I've still got ages to decide on my major anyways =)
Just did some research. Don't think my gay traineeship is worth anything haha
Oh well the government paid for it =)
Garghh I badly want to be at UoM in 09 on a CSP!
Ahhh take my methods score lol
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lol lets talk to vcaa about it
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lol lets talk to vcaa about it
Haha ok =]
Oh but then I can't get in =( lol
Um I could go to deakin haha... or go to monash and live on campus =]
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haha. oh well my loss =(
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monash commerce has the advantage of being closer to yo costa and it has no breadth requirement.
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Yep I know. Either one would be great. In 09 the family is moving to Oakleigh which makes both Uni's closer, especially Monash but I would still choose UoM over Monash if I had to make the decision right now unless a double degree at Monash appealed to me more. =)
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http://maps.google.com.au/maps?saddr=Wilson+St,+Oakleigh+VIC+3166&geocode=&dirflg=&daddr=Monash+University&f=d&hl=en&sll=-37.904929,145.092101&sspn=0.014831,0.029182&ie=UTF8&z=14&om=1
Lol I would be so spoiled. Thats the street haha. Oh god how convinient.
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http://maps.google.com.au/maps?saddr=Wilson+St,+Oakleigh+VIC+3166&geocode=&dirflg=&daddr=Monash+University&f=d&hl=en&sll=-37.904929,145.092101&sspn=0.014831,0.029182&ie=UTF8&z=14&om=1
Lol I would be so spoiled. Thats the street haha. Oh god how convinient.
Oh wow lol lucky you :P
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I told mum its like 10 minutes away and shes like no its not its about 5 minutes away LOL. I'd love it. Currently theres some med uni students renting the place out, for the convinience of monash being down the road =P
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:( Why did I have to live far away from the good universities :'(
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If you're that keen on getting the best education that you can then you will always find a way. =)
Might sound a bit hypocritical cause I live fairly conveniently
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Lol I guess you're right, it's just so hard... like bloody hell melb uni is 1 hour and 10 mins away from my house by transport and about 20 mins by car lol
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lol i wud say monash is 15 mins away n melb is 1 hour away from me. hmm wonder if its that worth it that i hav to pay for the transportation costs n waste my time travelling if i go to melb.
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lol i wud say monash is 15 mins away n melb is 1 hour away from me. hmm wonder if its that worth it that i hav to pay for the transportation costs n waste my time travelling if i go to melb.
Yes it's worth it !! if you get in go for it =)
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lol i'll c... their melbourne model is not really driving me there. if it weren't for that i wud hav probably put them as first preference.
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Actuarial - The application of probability, statistics, calculus, financial mathematics, functions and modelling to corporations to quantify risk and how to appropriately manage the risk by selecting the correct decisions.
and lol, it comes at no surprise that funerals remind you of actuaries, this is because actuaries are to well-known to be be working in the life insurance sector looool.
Actuarial is boooming sector with above-average growth and any business that deals with risk has actuaries. This can range from Health and General Insurance, Financial Markets, Consulting, Chance and even Valuation! :)
Major Businesses that Employ Graduates are:
IAG - Insurance Australia Group
Trowbridge Deloitte
PwC - PriceWaterHouseCoopers Act
Watson Wyatt
Towers Perrin
Mercer
Mainly employers are consultancy firms, which exercise your full actuarial/mathematics and communication skills. I would love to get an offer from IAG, it looks like an interesting firm and I saw (well i think) their Melbourne Office lawlz.
Btw, I think the Melbourne Model will be quite good for employers, as they know the graduates have high academic rigor because they have knowledge in Commerce and basic knowledge in related subjects that are indirectly related to commerce.
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lol i wud say monash is 15 mins away n melb is 1 hour away from me. hmm wonder if its that worth it that i hav to pay for the transportation costs n waste my time travelling if i go to melb.
Yes it's worth it !! if you get in go for it =)
but then there are the advantages of monash:
no melbourne model
no breadth requirement
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i think i wud prob take subjects from other faculties too anyway, esp since im considering of doin a language. but yea still thinking of double degree... *looks at monash* *looks at melb*
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University of Melbourne is the best place to study commerce, IMO.
If you're looking for some place with a good Management and Marketing course, I have no idea, but Melbourne would be pretty good at Economics, Finance and Accounting. Actuarial Studies is only offered at UoM in Victoria, so go figure :P
The two main majors seem to be Finance and Accounting, but you can't do both. If you choose Finance, you can take up Economics as well, but Accounting is pretty full-on, in terms of how much percentage it takes of your degree.
i thought you can do a double major in accounting and finance
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hmm im hoping to do chinese alongside my degree... but if they r making me compete against the china IS students im so not doing it! if it takes up all my breadth subjects tho, i cant do any other subj =( *leaning towards double degree right now though will prob change my mind in 3 secs*
theres 3different chinese language course streams, for beginners, for people who did chinese 2nd language in vce, and for background speakers
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hmm im hoping to do chinese alongside my degree... but if they r making me compete against the china IS students im so not doing it! if it takes up all my breadth subjects tho, i cant do any other subj =( *leaning towards double degree right now though will prob change my mind in 3 secs*
theres 3different chinese language course streams, for beginners, for people who did chinese 2nd language in vce, and for background speakers
i really want to do chinese as a breadth too, but i'm probably in between the beginners and vce students. i've been taking chinese lessons every week for a couple of years, so i'm not a complete beginner, but it's not vce standard. which one should i take?
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No more commerce for me next year :( I'll hopefully get into teaching first then do a commerce degree =)
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Most people who major in Accounting would prefer to get CPA professional accreditation.
I believe this limits you from majoring in another stream of subjects. You can easily major Economics and Finance though, which is what I may do.
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do we get to choose which chinese stream we take? im like in between vce 2nd language n background speakers! hence my chinese as a second language (advanced) lol! wonder if they'll force me into 1... ill prob do the vce 1 if i get to choose =)
elaine, where do u learn chinese from and what year level are you at now?
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do we get to choose which chinese stream we take? im like in between vce 2nd language n background speakers! hence my chinese as a second language (advanced) lol! wonder if they'll force me into 1... ill prob do the vce 1 if i get to choose =)
There's not much forcing that goes on in university. There may be pre-requisites imposed on higher levels of Chinese, but if you are on the borderline of those pre-requisites, usually you can get exemptions from those pre-requisites :)
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thats cool =D i wonder if it would be better to do the vce one and aim for all HDs or do the background speaker one and aim to pass lol >.< probably the vce one would look better XP
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do we get to choose which chinese stream we take? im like in between vce 2nd language n background speakers! hence my chinese as a second language (advanced) lol! wonder if they'll force me into 1... ill prob do the vce 1 if i get to choose =)
elaine, where do u learn chinese from and what year level are you at now?
hey, you will have an interview, and the person will decide on which course suit your chinese level.
and i want to do chinese for breadth too, but still deciding from bus law or maths
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Double majors
It is possible to complete a double major in the BCom. Students are able to combine:
accounting (including full accreditation) with finance OR management OR marketing
finance with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR management OR marketing
economics with finance OR management OR marketing
management with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR finance OR marketing
marketing with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR finance OR management.
Actuarial studies cannot be combined with any other major.
A double major requires the completion of six level-3 subjects, i.e. third year subjects, in two disciplines (three subjects per discipline).
im going to do finance+accounting, but dunno if i still have room for breadth subjects.
also for accounting you must do Principles of Business Law, Corporate Law and Taxation Law for breadth which sux
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hmm im hoping to do chinese alongside my degree... but if they r making me compete against the china IS students im so not doing it! if it takes up all my breadth subjects tho, i cant do any other subj =( *leaning towards double degree right now though will prob change my mind in 3 secs*
theres 3different chinese language course streams, for beginners, for people who did chinese 2nd language in vce, and for background speakers
i really want to do chinese as a breadth too, but i'm probably in between the beginners and vce students. i've been taking chinese lessons every week for a couple of years, so i'm not a complete beginner, but it's not vce standard. which one should i take?
definately the 2nd one, cos the beginner is for people with no knowledge at all,
heres the describtion i copied from http://www.asiainstitute.unimelb.edu.au/programs/chinese.html
110-143 Introductory Chinese 1A
This is an introductory course in Chinese for students with no previous knowledge of the language. By the end of this subject students should be familiar with the Pinyin system of romanisation and be able to read and write approximately 300 Chinese characters.
110-180 Standard Chinese 1A
This subject is an accelerated course for students who speak a dialect of Chinese but who cannot read or write Chinese characters or speak Mandarin. By the conclusion of this subject students should have reached approximately the same level as 110-145 Introductory Chinese 1B. They should be able to speak with acceptable standard pronunciation and read and write at least 600 characters, and write essays.
110-160 Chinese 1A
This subject is for students who have completed a course of study in Chinese at secondary school level. In building on the knowledge students already have, particular attention will be paid to expanding vocabulary, ensuring a good grasp of the basic grammar of spoken Chinese, and developing reading, writing and oral/aural skills.
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elaine, where do u learn chinese from and what year level are you at now?
A tutor/teacher person comes to my house every week, I'm not sure what level I'm at now. But it's not very high. When I left chinese school 5 years ago :S, I was doing Grade 5! lol...so I'm not very good haha.
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elaine, where do u learn chinese from and what year level are you at now?
A tutor/teacher person comes to my house every week, I'm not sure what level I'm at now. But it's not very high. When I left chinese school 5 years ago :S, I was doing Grade 5! lol...so I'm not very good haha.
i used to go to Waverley Christian College!!!!!!!!!
Do you go to Citylife / Epic??
Edit-soz should prob have pm'ed lol
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OMG interview! i thought i was done with chinese like... forever! >.<
elaine, why don't you ask your tutor around what level you are? n since theres going to be an interview theres probably guidelines as to which stream you should go in. btw i also saw ur name in the papers n found out u go to WCC lol! n i was going to ask bout the epic/citylife thing!! kopite do u go there? coz i do ^^ (uhoh going off topic)
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Double majors
It is possible to complete a double major in the BCom. Students are able to combine:
accounting (including full accreditation) with finance OR management OR marketing
finance with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR management OR marketing
economics with finance OR management OR marketing
management with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR finance OR marketing
marketing with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR finance OR management.
Actuarial studies cannot be combined with any other major.
A double major requires the completion of six level-3 subjects, i.e. third year subjects, in two disciplines (three subjects per discipline).
im going to do finance+accounting, but dunno if i still have room for breadth subjects.
also for accounting you must do Principles of Business Law, Corporate Law and Taxation Law for breadth which sux
you would need to do those subjects anyway
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Double majors
It is possible to complete a double major in the BCom. Students are able to combine:
accounting (including full accreditation) with finance OR management OR marketing
finance with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR management OR marketing
economics with finance OR management OR marketing
management with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR finance OR marketing
marketing with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR finance OR management.
Actuarial studies cannot be combined with any other major.
A double major requires the completion of six level-3 subjects, i.e. third year subjects, in two disciplines (three subjects per discipline).
im going to do finance+accounting, but dunno if i still have room for breadth subjects.
also for accounting you must do Principles of Business Law, Corporate Law and Taxation Law for breadth which sux
you would need to do those subjects anyway
so they won't take up our breadth subjects @ melbourne???
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Does anyone know how it works doing a Dip of Modern Languages alongside a commerce degree? Do they take part of it out of breadth, or what? I'm trying to work out if theres anyway I can do 2 languages.. Gar I should've gone to the open day so I could ask these questions!
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Most people who major in Accounting would prefer to get CPA professional accreditation.
Err. Nah, most employers would choose CA than CPA. CA is espically advantageous if you work for the Big 4, rather than getting CPA.
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Most people who major in Accounting would prefer to get CPA professional accreditation.
Err. Nah, most employers would choose CA than CPA. CA is espically advantageous if you work for the Big 4, rather than getting CPA.
My point was that to get either of them, you need to do a long list of subjects that usually does not provide room for a second major, but yes, my bad, I don't know much about accounting accreditation, but I know that much.
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Oh yeah, that's correct. The subjects you do for CA accreditation are plentiful, its hard to fit anything else.
Dw, its just CPA ads.... CA doesn't advertise as much lol.
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You know how under the CA program they provide subjects to study for you to be accredited? Or was that CPA? If you've studied enough subjects to be accredited in uni, do you still have to study them?
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Something to check out:
http://www.mediafire.com/?2lskozynys4
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thx for the document ^^ lol sad for me though that i thought the shaded subjects looked quite interesting anyway... but wow so many subjects! >.<
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CA accreditation is preferable to CPA accreditation.
I don't understand what the shaded subjects are...?
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Most people who major in Accounting would prefer to get CPA professional accreditation.
Err. Nah, most employers would choose CA than CPA. CA is espically advantageous if you work for the Big 4, rather than getting CPA.
My point was that to get either of them, you need to do a long list of subjects that usually does not provide room for a second major, but yes, my bad, I don't know much about accounting accreditation, but I know that much.
actually you can do double major with accouting full accrediation
look at the sample course plan in this http://www.bcom.unimelb.edu.au/bachelor/accounting.html
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Double majors
It is possible to complete a double major in the BCom. Students are able to combine:
accounting (including full accreditation) with finance OR management OR marketing
finance with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR management OR marketing
economics with finance OR management OR marketing
management with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR finance OR marketing
marketing with accounting (including full accreditation) OR economics OR finance OR management.
Actuarial studies cannot be combined with any other major.
A double major requires the completion of six level-3 subjects, i.e. third year subjects, in two disciplines (three subjects per discipline).
im going to do finance+accounting, but dunno if i still have room for breadth subjects.
also for accounting you must do Principles of Business Law, Corporate Law and Taxation Law for breadth which sux
you would need to do those subjects anyway
so they won't take up our breadth subjects @ melbourne???
those 3 subjects "Principles of Business Law, Corporate Law and Taxation Law"
are breadth subjects, they are only compulsary if u want accounting accreditation
same with Actuarial Studies u must include 2maths subjects in breadth