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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: roly182 on January 28, 2009, 03:55:38 pm
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Hey. I was told at accademic advice day that melb is going to change the requirements of the GAMSAT and only take into account sections 1 and 2 as biomed and science graduates already have all of the scientific knowledge required for med. Also, they said that there were 160 students with enters with or over 99.00 and 30 with or over 99.90 and these fall well below the amount of places for Med so the 'guaranteed' places are likely to hold. Also, i was told that for full fee med students, if they average at or over 75% throughout the year, they are automatically transferred into a CSP place. Anyone else heard about this?? And how hard is it to attain a 75% average throughout first year med.
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Heard from who and where on academic advice day?
From reading that, all I can think of is "bs" - apart from changing the GAMSAT, I really doubt 30 of the 60 or so people with 99.90+ are in the Biomedicine course.
Also, reading on various unimelb pages & contacting multiple informed people, the limiting factor of a "guaranteed" place is the availability. Thus, it is highly unlikely for a full fee medicine place to be converted to a CSP place. (Not only this, but 75% sounds way too low. It's 75% average if you have 99.90+ and want a 'guaranteed' place.) So, even if there are 30 people with 99.90+ doing Biomedicine - this will probably mean not all the 99.90's will be guaranteed a place.
But all in all - I'm curious to who you've heard this information from. :)
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I cant remember her name but i talked to her at the 'biomedicine enrolment advice session' in the med building and she's responsible for selecting applicants for physio. Thats all i know! And its not 30 students over 99.90 in biomed, its 30 over 99.90 at melbourne uni this year. Sorry i should have made that clearer. I am a little sceptical too about the transfer to CSP. I know that currently Melbourne does it for undergrad degrees with a 75 average but not too sure about there graduate programs. I'm waiting a call back from the Uni to confirm this so i'll let you know. Also, does anyone know if the biomed subjects are marked on a bell curve or not?
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I cant remember her name but i talked to her at the 'biomedicine enrolment advice session' in the med building and she's responsible for selecting applicants for physio. Thats all i know! And its not 30 students over 99.90 in biomed, its 30 over 99.90 at melbourne uni this year. Sorry i should have made that clearer. I am a little sceptical too about the transfer to CSP. I know that currently Melbourne does it for undergrad degrees with a 75 average but not too sure about there graduate programs. I'm waiting a call back from the Uni to confirm this so i'll let you know. Also, does anyone know if the biomed subjects are marked on a bell curve or not?
I highly doubt they will let you into CSP if you maintain over 75 (you got over 99+ yeh?). The rule clearly states its full fee for between 99.00 - 99.85 only.
And what do you mean by bell curve?
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I agree with the others and it sounds like rubbish to me. A verbal 'confirmation' means nothing and it's not worth gambling your career on if you have other secure options. If these aren't available to you, then I guess you'll just have to take the risk.
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I think everyone is misunderstanding me. I'm saying the transfer to CSP is taking place within the medicine course, after first year medicine, providing you get a 75% average in first year med. "Those who get 99.90-99.95 are likely to be transferred to CSP places if they maintain the necessary average" - i'm not talking about transferring from biomed or scince to med, i'm talking about transfering from med full fee to med CSP. At the moment at melbourne for all courses they transfer full fee students into CSP if they get over 75%..or so i am told.
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Nah I understood you on that, but I'm just saying that unless written confirmation comes out, this is pretty meaningless as UoM can just detract it later and just do the whole 'o whut?' sort of thing to you and you've really got nothing to back you up.
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Assuming the government doesn't revoke all postgrad CSP places by then.
Is that a possibility?
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Assuming the government doesn't revoke all postgrad CSP places by then.
Why would they do that? They removed full-fee from under-graduate degrees, so I don't see why they'd do the reverse for post-graduate.
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first of all, sorry about hijacking this thread..
Just wondering, if one did vce in 2009 and decide to take a leave of absence for one year.. reckon the guaranteed pathway will still be available?
considering that the pathway will nolonger be available to students who complete their year 12 in 2010..
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first of all, sorry about hijacking this thread..
Just wondering, if one did vce in 2009 and decide to take a leave of absence for one year.. reckon the guaranteed pathway will still be available?
considering that the pathway will nolonger be available to students who complete their year 12 in 2010..
yes the guaranteed for full-fee has it's last intake for 2010, so if you completed in 09 you are eligble if you make the requirements and study at melb, etc. regardless of gapyears.
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Nah I understood you on that, but I'm just saying that unless written confirmation comes out, this is pretty meaningless as UoM can just detract it later and just do the whole 'o whut?' sort of thing to you and you've really got nothing to back you up.
Yes, definitely listen to shinny on this one. As a UoM student, I can tell you that the verbal communication means nothing from anyone at the uni, even the staff. Unless it's printed/written on paper, it means nothing at UoM. I know from past (not so pleasant) experience.
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That's total rubbish, you can't transfer from a full fee to CSP in a med course. Haven't heard it could be done at other unis either. Also, you can't transfer from a CSP to full fee either ;)
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Old thread but on the GAMSAT thing...
Hey. I was told at accademic advice day that melb is going to change the requirements of the GAMSAT and only take into account sections 1 and 2 as biomed and science graduates already have all of the scientific knowledge required for med.
Seriously doubt that (although i wish they would). I know they don't use the overall score provided by ACER though, they care about your individual section marks.
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first of all, sorry about hijacking this thread..
Just wondering, if one did vce in 2009 and decide to take a leave of absence for one year.. reckon the guaranteed pathway will still be available?
considering that the pathway will nolonger be available to students who complete their year 12 in 2010..
Wowww. Wait a second. Are you saying that the melb Uni will not do the guranteed pathway for ppl finsihing yr 12 in 2010. Is there any confirmation on this? Why are they doing this?
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Wowww. Wait a second. Are you saying that the melb Uni will not do the guranteed pathway for ppl finsihing yr 12 in 2010. Is there any confirmation on this? Why are they doing this?
First I've heard of it and the MDHS website has no mention of it ending this year, call the MDHS student centre and ask (8344 5890).
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first of all, sorry about hijacking this thread..
Just wondering, if one did vce in 2009 and decide to take a leave of absence for one year.. reckon the guaranteed pathway will still be available?
considering that the pathway will nolonger be available to students who complete their year 12 in 2010..
Wowww. Wait a second. Are you saying that the melb Uni will not do the guranteed pathway for ppl finsihing yr 12 in 2010. Is there any confirmation on this? Why are they doing this?
Below is my understanding of their pathway so far:
Students who achieved an enter score of 99.00-99.85 will only be guaranteed a full-fee place for med provided they did VCE in 2007, 2008 and 2009, but if you achieve 99.90-99.95, the CSP guaranteed place will be available until 2012.
You could call MDHS but they can't provide you more info than what they can find on their website.
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^ No the last year for full-fee guarantee is 2010, and it is not completely guaranteed because of 'subject to number of places available'. I have sent them and email about this, and so if you are acheiving a 99+ and graduate this year or earlier, and then make the prereqs (satisfactory interview, 75% average, etc) then you are in priority of other full-fee students, and since there are only 30 places then not everyone will get in, so technically is not a real guarantee it's a booster to your chances..
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That only really matters if there are more than 30 students above 99 in your cohort though.
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That only really matters if there are more than 30 students above 99 in your cohort though.
not exactly, there is many others who are applying for full-fee as either unimelb students or other unis in australia. apparently they aren't allowed to give all places to just guaranteed students.
it's lame, and it is why they are getting rid of the guarantee placing as they can't actually guarantee you..
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Oh right, I thought it was just for students from the UoM. If it's from all over australia then yeah, that sucks.
But hey, at least it's still CSP > full fee :)
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Oh right, I thought it was just for students from the UoM. If it's from all over australia then yeah, that sucks.
But hey, at least it's still CSP > full fee :)
yeah the 30 spots are australia wide but the full-fee is exclusive to those who meet requirements at UoM.
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But there are pre-req subjects.. its complicated as you will then have to somehow prove that the subject you have done in other uni is equivalent to the ones offered by unimelb
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But there are pre-req subjects.. its complicated as you will then have to somehow prove that the subject you have done in other uni is equivalent to the ones offered by unimelb
Most students who intend to apply for postgrad med meet those prerequisites. Most of those who don't are from non-science backgrounds anyway (such as Arts)
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awww~ that's not good for the biomeddies then~
and by the way.. i found these type of disclamers on most melbourne's catalogues:
"DISCLAIMER
The University gives no warranty and accepts no responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of information and the University reserves the right to make changes without
notice at any time in its absolute discretion."
Now I kinda believe what Shinny says ....
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But there are pre-req subjects.. its complicated as you will then have to somehow prove that the subject you have done in other uni is equivalent to the ones offered by unimelb
they have a list on their website of the accepted subjects.
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awww~ that's not good for the biomeddies then~
and by the way.. i found these type of disclamers on most melbourne's catalogues:
Regrettably, it's easier to get into the Doctor of Medicine from the BSc than the BBiomed at Melbourne (based on the three formal criteria).
But that sort of disclaimer is pretty standard though, they don't want a mistake or oversight to cost them.
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Sorry to intrude, but what is the difference between doing a science degree or biomed degree before applying for MD at UoM?
Does it make a difference, and what is the main difference between the two degrees?
Just trying to work out what to do if I don't get into MBBS...
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Sorry to intrude, but what is the difference between doing a science degree or biomed degree before applying for MD at UoM?
Does it make a difference, and what is the main difference between the two degrees?
Just trying to work out what to do if I don't get into MBBS...
The difference between the degrees is that the BSc is a regular science degree...can major in any of the fields. To qualify for the MD you need to do certain subjects, but it's not particularly restrictive. The BBiomed is very restrictive since they have a lot of compulsory subjects and all you do is choose your major. The upside is that it gives a very integrated approach to learning about the health sciences and is (according to the uni) a good pathway to Med.
In the BSc though you can get higher marks since you can choose easier subjects (no compulsory subjects in science), which raises your GPA.
Overall there's not a lot of difference in terms of applying to the MD (some people say that they will look to the Biomedicine cohort to justify their new generation degree, but that's certainly not the formal position). The fact that the TER score required for Biomed is so high means that you might as well just do science if you don't get in, it won't be a big deal (be prepared for a ridiculous amount of elitism though lol)
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^ yeah there is no difference in doing biomed or science, just need to have the prereqs.
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^ yeah there is no difference in doing biomed or science, just need to have the prereqs.
Slight differences as Russ pointed out but otherwise no major differences that would disadvantage you in terms of meeting the pre-requisites for the MD.
Another main difference between B.Sci and B.BMed is that in B.Sci, you can't major in "Defence and Disease". All other majors available in B.BMed is available for B.Sci students as well. So if you're into defence and disease, aim for biomed.
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^ yeah there is no difference in doing biomed or science, just need to have the prereqs.
Slight differences as Russ pointed out but otherwise no major differences that would disadvantage you in terms of meeting the pre-requisites for the MD.
Another main difference between B.Sci and B.BMed is that in B.Sci, you can't major in "Defence and Disease". All other majors available in B.BMed is available for B.Sci students as well. So if you're into defence and disease, aim for biomed.
There is one for BSc, it's called 'Pathology'.
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^ yeah there is no difference in doing biomed or science, just need to have the prereqs.
Slight differences as Russ pointed out but otherwise no major differences that would disadvantage you in terms of meeting the pre-requisites for the MD.
Another main difference between B.Sci and B.BMed is that in B.Sci, you can't major in "Defence and Disease". All other majors available in B.BMed is available for B.Sci students as well. So if you're into defence and disease, aim for biomed.
I meant that in terms of getting into medicine (chances wise), doing science or biomed makes no difference..
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There is one for BSc, it's called 'Pathology'.
You can major in Pathology in Biomed...
The majors available to biomed students are all the health/biology related ones from Science (ie human structure/microbiology/etc)
And I wouldn't say it makes no difference, I think it's just a relatively small thing in the scheme of things.