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Title: NMR
Post by: Dark Horse on April 06, 2009, 10:32:51 pm
Hey guys, in the molecule phenol (C6H5OH)-A benzene ring with one of the H atoms substituted for an OH, how many carbon and hydrogen environments are there? Thanks :)
Title: Re: NMR
Post by: dekoyl on April 06, 2009, 10:39:26 pm
According to my teacher: 4 hydrogen and 4 carbon environments.

However, I can't see it
Title: Re: NMR
Post by: chem-nerd on April 06, 2009, 10:46:49 pm
C2/C6 equivalent (H's on these Cs are equivalent too)
C3/C5 equivalent (H's on these Cs are equivalent too)
C1
C4
and the H on the OH and the H on C4
therefore, 4 carbon environments and 4 H environments
Title: Re: NMR
Post by: TrueTears on April 06, 2009, 10:53:30 pm
According to my teacher: 4 hydrogen and 4 carbon environments.

However, I can't see it

As chem-nerd said:

(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2945/bezene.png)

On the 1st carbon atom, clearly the C is in a different environment because it is with an OH

Now on 2nd carbon atom, it has a single bond left of it and a double right of it. C6 also has this formation. 2nd C environment.

On the 3rd carbon atom, it has a double bond to the left and a single bond to the right. C5 same formation. 3rd C environment.

C4 is different from C1 because it is bonded to a H not a OH.

Hence 4 C environments.





Title: Re: NMR
Post by: chem-nerd on April 06, 2009, 11:10:30 pm
try not to think of those double and single bonds as being 'set' in place. they can move around the benzene ring (hence why it's usually drawn with a circle in the middle).

the different environments are produced by the different neighbours.
for C2/C6 they have a C-O on one side and a C-C on the other
for C3/C5 they have a C-C-O on one side and a C-C-C on the other
for C4 it has a C-C-C on both sides
and C1 is clearly different due to the O

it's the same for the H environments
Title: Re: NMR
Post by: Mao on April 07, 2009, 07:21:22 am
here's a picture:
Title: Re: NMR
Post by: Dark Horse on April 07, 2009, 09:33:03 am
Thanks guys, i get it now! =P