ATAR Notes: Forum
Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: discogirl on December 22, 2011, 06:43:07 pm
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Hi guys,
just wondering if i would be able to get into biomed with an atar of 98.15. The clearly in is 98.45. How strict are they with selection?
Thanks
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I think you have a decent chance :) Did you by any chance apply for SEAS too?
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no, i didn't apply for seas. thanks.
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They increased the Access Melbourne cutoff from 88 to 92 (I think?). This should push the atar cutoff for non Access Melbourne applicants down. You've got a very good chance if this happens
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They increased the Access Melbourne cutoff from 88 to 92 (I think?). This should push the atar cutoff for non Access Melbourne applicants down. You've got a very good chance if this happens
Yep, on that matter, let's predict Biomedicine cut-off!
I predict, 97.3.
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98.1 is my pick :)
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98.1 is my pick :)
I still think it's possible for the cut-off to rise even further, with the introduction of Chancellor's, I get the feeling at my school that a lot of students in the 99s category feel like they're at least being acknowledged now, rather then being thrown into the same degree as everybody else. Even if they don't get in, they still feel like the uni is acknowledging high-achievement and is therefore more desirable. Just my $0.02
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Oh sorry, I thought the cut-off was higher than 98.15 last year. Sorry, ignore my post then :)
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Oh sorry, I thought the cut-off was higher than 98.15 last year. Sorry, ignore my post then :)
It was 98.45 last year, you were right, just saying I think we could see it go >98.45,
Moderator action: removed real name, sorry for the inconvenience
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Tipping 98.10, I guess we'll find out soon enough anyway
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No chance with a 97.1? D:
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No chance with a 97.1? D:
Do a bachelor of science! :D
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No chance with a 97.1? D:
Is the course also reliant on interview/UMAT?
If so and you did well in those then it could be a possibility.
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No chance with a 97.1? D:
Without any SEAS I'm afraid it's gonna be on a knife's edge, biomed is extremely competitive to get into.. I personally think it'll be in the 97ish range, so hopefully for your sake it'll be lower 97 rather than the higher end. The clearly in might even drop to 96 for all we know, it's extremely hard to tell how much the new SEAS rules will change the clearly in. Just keep in mind that a bachelor of science is also great and won't be that much different to biomed overall :)
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I predict 97.80 coz thats what I got and I want in!
:D
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Do a bachelor of science! :D
Don't listen to this man, come to the loving embrace of biomedicine.
And high 97s is where I'd guess it'll end up, but again...nobody really knows. If you want to put some effort into working it out, I'd check the 2010 entry scores and compare the %below clearly in to the 2011 %below. There was a very sharp jump that year which pushed the cutoff up - given that it's projected to return to 30% this year, you might be able to estimate the commensurate drop.
If you're confused by what I just said, link me to the data and I'll do it.
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Do a bachelor of science! :D
Don't listen to this man, come to the loving embrace of biomedicine.
And high 97s is where I'd guess it'll end up, but again...nobody really knows. If you want to put some effort into working it out, I'd check the 2010 entry scores and compare the %below clearly in to the 2011 %below. There was a very sharp jump that year which pushed the cutoff up - given that it's projected to return to 30% this year, you might be able to estimate the commensurate drop.
If you're confused by what I just said, link me to the data and I'll do it.
Not confused, but would still like to see the data if possible?
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Well I went and found it (you're welcome) and here:
2011 was a 98.45 clearly in with ~50% under the clearly in (this is from memory correct me if it's wrong)
2010 was a 97.90 clearly in with ~25% under the clearly in
Since 2012 is projecting 30% under the clearly in, I would project it to drop to ~98 or so.
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Well I went and found it (you're welcome) and here:
2011 was a 98.45 clearly in with ~50% under the clearly in (this is from memory correct me if it's wrong)
2010 was a 97.90 clearly in with ~25% under the clearly in
Since 2012 is projecting 30% under the clearly in, I would project it to drop to ~98 or so.
Thank you :). This makes me feel slightly better.
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Gonna have to do BSc I guess.
I'm tempted to just go to the Uni and not leave until they let me in :D
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98.10, any other guesstimates?
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97.9
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I think demand for Biomed is growing, particularly now that everyone has seen the first MD cohort starting last year. I think it will stay in the 98's, but may drop slightly to 98.3ish, given the lower projection of offers under the clearly in that Russ has mentioned. I'd be happy to be wrong though! Good luck everyone :D
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I will say 97.55...not only because of less SEAS, but because it is now easier to get Monash MBBS with a high ATAR, driving down demand further.
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I will scrap my last post. Considering that Monash Biomed is 93.90 this year, and Melbourne is saying that the demand for their degrees has gone up, the cut off may well go up again. :/
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Unimelb Clearly in released here!! - email from VC
It's gone up to 99.00.
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What i said last year:
Don't be surprised if it gets to 99.00 in the next couple of years (unless they increase the number of spots).
Looks like i was right...
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Going to retroactively edit all my posts so i look like a genius to anyone reading this in six months time.
Also, just lol at the increase
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Yeah, it was freaking massive.
Just scraped by I 'spose. THANKS GOD FOR KLD
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This is complete bullshit. It has to stop. 56% of spots going to SEAS applicants this year. WHERE IS THE 30% CAP????
Hard working students are getting completely ripped off by what I would say is a considerable group of students taking advantage of the selection guarantee. It seriously has to go.
The fact that someone's ATAR is good enough to study Monash Law but not a glorified science degree is a joke.
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This is complete bullshit. It has to stop. 56% of spots going to SEAS applicants this year. WHERE IS THE 30% CAP????
Hard working students are getting completely ripped off by what I would say is a considerable group of students taking advantage of the selection guarantee. It seriously has to go.
The fact that someone's ATAR is good enough to study Monash Law but not a glorified science degree is a joke.
What's the difference between the last 2 columns?
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You know the required ATAR is determined by demand; it has nothing to do with the difficulty or value of the course.
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This is complete bullshit. It has to stop. 56% of spots going to SEAS applicants this year. WHERE IS THE 30% CAP????
Hard working students are getting completely ripped off by what I would say is a considerable group of students taking advantage of the selection guarantee. It seriously has to go.
The fact that someone's ATAR is good enough to study Monash Law but not a glorified science degree is a joke.
What's the difference between the last 2 columns?
23 spots have gone to non-school leavers/mature age students I believe...
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56% of spots going to SEAS applicants this year.
Explains the ridiculously high ATAR.... They probably have a evil scheme that theyre trying to achieve...
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56% of spots going to SEAS applicants this year.
Explains the ridiculously high ATAR.... They probably have a evil scheme that theyre trying to achieve...
Having a selection guarantee is stupid. It is obviously working for them though...and by that I mean guaranteeing their courses to lesser students and in turn making their degrees and model look like they are in demand and 'popular'.
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viva you got 97.1, as though you were ever gettin first round biomed anyway
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viva you got 97.1, as though you were ever gettin first round biomed anyway
banned for trolling
anyone else wanna be a dickhead?
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I think the SEAS cutoff will increase again this year, hopefully to something higher like 95+ to make it fairer for the students without SEAS..
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A mate said it was 92, I'll try find his evidence and post it here :)
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A mate said it was 92, I'll try find his evidence and post it here :)
Whoops this year's intake required 92 for SEAS, I meant next year's intake. I HOPE they increase it to something like 95+ or remove it altogether for the sake of the students who are just missing out.
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Having a selection guarantee is stupid. It is obviously working for them though...and by that I mean guaranteeing their courses to lesser students and in turn making their degrees and model look like they are in demand and 'popular'.
It's more that they're chronically underestimating the numbers applying for the guarantee imo. I might stop by the MDHS today and see if I can find anything out.
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Having a selection guarantee is stupid. It is obviously working for them though...and by that I mean guaranteeing their courses to lesser students and in turn making their degrees and model look like they are in demand and 'popular'.
It's more that they're chronically underestimating the numbers applying for the guarantee imo. I might stop by the MDHS today and see if I can find anything out.
Yes, I agree with both of you. Stonecold raises a good point and I thought that through before. When it was first introduced, I thought it was great and that they are following the government's initiative to produce more people with tertiary degrees. But delving deeper into the issue, it could also be used as a marketing ploy because I'm sure many long-time AN'ers will know that there are heaps of people not only in Victoria but possibly interstate that associate the Clearly-In with course quality, which as we all know is completely false and a complete misconception just like how every year rumours that VCE English won't be in the top 4 anymore.
But as Russ pointed out, the issue of underestimating is also a problem. We can tell that because when science rose to 89.05 in 2010, the faculty decided to increase the number of places. Then Biomed's selection guarantee criteria changed from having an 88+ to 92+ in order to qualify. Have both these solutions fixed the problem? I think it remains to be seen. Whilst I thought the former solution to B.Sci would help a little, I definitely didn't envisage that B.Sci could rise further than 89.05 considering they made, I think, 89 more offers than last year?
So another factor could be that the quality of the applicants have grown over the past few years and combining that with the influx of applications, it's quite easy to see why the Clearly-In has surged.
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I was aiming for Biomed but looks incredibly difficult to get in now.. and I don't think I can apply for SEAS too. Even Science has gone up heaps too D:
What would happen next year? Would complaints about 56% of places going to SEAS mean a decrease for 2013?
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I was aiming for Biomed but looks incredibly difficult to get in now.. and I don't think I can apply for SEAS too. Even Science has gone up heaps too D:
What would happen next year? Would complaints about 56% of places going to SEAS mean a decrease for 2013?
The only thing they can do is increase the ATAR for selection guarantee for SEAS applicants above 92 or remove it altogether. I'd say they would probably increase it to 94-95.
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I was aiming for Biomed but looks incredibly difficult to get in now.. and I don't think I can apply for SEAS too. Even Science has gone up heaps too D:
What would happen next year? Would complaints about 56% of places going to SEAS mean a decrease for 2013?
Well, complaints about the 48% that got in on SEAS last year led it to increase to 56% soooo....
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I was aiming for Biomed but looks incredibly difficult to get in now.. and I don't think I can apply for SEAS too. Even Science has gone up heaps too D:
What would happen next year? Would complaints about 56% of places going to SEAS mean a decrease for 2013?
The only thing they can do is increase the ATAR for selection guarantee for SEAS applicants above 92 or remove it altogether. I'd say they would probably increase it to 94-95.
I don't think they'll get rid of it. I would imagine the uni would be crucified if they did so and being called "hypocrites" because they introduced the selection guarantee to improve equality, then all of a sudden, they're getting rid of it.
They'll probably seek to "improve" it is my guess.
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I was aiming for Biomed but looks incredibly difficult to get in now.. and I don't think I can apply for SEAS too. Even Science has gone up heaps too D:
What would happen next year? Would complaints about 56% of places going to SEAS mean a decrease for 2013?
The only thing they can do is increase the ATAR for selection guarantee for SEAS applicants above 92 or remove it altogether. I'd say they would probably increase it to 94-95.
I don't think they'll get rid of it. I would imagine the uni would be crucified if they did so and being called "hypocrites" because they introduced the selection guarantee to improve equality, then all of a sudden, they're getting rid of it.
They'll probably seek to "improve" it is my guess.
Yeah I think increasing the cutoff to reduce the percentage under 99 offers to something closer to 30...all the other degrees are less than 20 I think anyway. This also stems from the fact that they advertised and promoted the degree so much that I think many of the applicants have a false perception of what the degree really entails. Somehow like ATAR inflation..
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Last year 54% of students were below the clearly in. 97+ is very possible. Especially with seas. I have seas, and am a kwong lee dow young scholar. So, I hope I can get in.
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I remember reading that you have to move to Science in 3rd year anyway if you want to do DVM. Why are you choosing Biomed if thats the case?
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Because, I am not 100% sure about DVM yet so Biomed gives me more options. But, I am not really that fussed about either of them. They are both great courses. It's also possible to do it through Biomed, but it adds an extra year.
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small bump of a one-year-old thread
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Already a thread for clearly in discussion + necromancy