Post by: enwiabe on April 20, 2009, 11:21:09 pm
Full system reset.
Instead of being able to give out one karma every 12 hours, it'll be one karma every 72 hours.
Mods will not be able to circumvent this time lapse.
All karma messages (I.E. reasons) will be brought under much greater scrutiny for violations of the code of conduct.
Postcount requirement to be lifted to 100 posts.
Thoughts? Suggestions? WILD IDEAS?!
Post by: shinny on April 20, 2009, 11:33:54 pm
All karma messages (I.E. reasons) will be brought under much greater scrutiny for violations of the code of conduct.
What exactly are these violations? From what I see, the common pattern right now is around 1 karma for helping someone do a question (usually maths/chem/physics), but around 10 for doing a funny post. Are we still going to allow karma simply for epic posts or only for actual acts of good-will?
And dammit, scrutiny just means more work for us mods ]:
Post by: kurrymuncher on April 20, 2009, 11:36:11 pm
Post by: enwiabe on April 20, 2009, 11:36:53 pm
Anyone can have any personal reason for giving karma. We are not the thought police. But I will delete karma messages that I see, or are brought to my attention which defame members or espouse racial epithets etc.
Only breaches of the code of conduct will be deleted.
Post by: shinny on April 20, 2009, 11:39:22 pm
Post by: dejan91 on April 20, 2009, 11:40:10 pm
Post by: dekoyl on April 20, 2009, 11:40:21 pm
If anything, I think the 12 hour
And instead of having the 1 karma per person each 12 hours, a member could get a limit on how much karma they can give or take. Say, 5 karma to use by each member per 24 hours. So, I can give person A +2 karma for helping me out,+1 to person B for helping me and -1 to person C in 24 hours. Of course, if anyone decides to -5 karma to a single person everyday, the mods will take action.
Oh and maybe disable +/- karma in PMs.
I have no problems with raising the post count for karma giving/taking.
Post by: enwiabe on April 20, 2009, 11:48:14 pm
And instead of having the 1 karma per person each 12 hours, a member could get a limit on how much karma they can give or take. Say, 5 karma to use by each member per 24 hours. So, I can give person A +2 karma for helping me out,+1 to person B for helping me and -1 to person C in 24 hours. Of course, if anyone decides to -5 karma to a single person everyday, the mods will take action.
I love this idea. What say all of you to limiting people to AN amount of karma per day?
I.E. You're allowed to give a maximum of x karma per day.
I still think we should keep the cap on how many times you can karma an individual person, but I love your idea of an absolute karma cap.
It's not feasible on the current karma mod that we have, but I'm sure this option must exist. I'll search for it when I have time.
Post by: dcc on April 20, 2009, 11:49:49 pm
A far more optimal system would be to judge <individual posts> on their usefulness and relevance. Imagine this, you read a thread, you find a post which tells you something you really need to know, so you +1 the POST. This means that generally constructive, useful (or perhaps humorous) posts will be easily visible.
I feel (and many others who I have put this idea to) that this system would be far better then the current implementation of karma, and that is it necessary, given how irrelevant the karma system is at the moment.
Post by: enwiabe on April 20, 2009, 11:51:30 pm
Paste it here and I'll put it in.
I should note that our server's FTP is currently playing up so mods will be delayed a bit, but I will have this issue resolved during the holidays at least.
So, yeah, these are on the to-do list.
Post by: costargh on April 21, 2009, 12:04:59 am
i like the karma limit
Post by: hard on April 21, 2009, 04:01:35 pm
Post by: AppleThief on April 21, 2009, 04:09:23 pm
In other words, I don't think it needs to be scrapped, although I do agree with dekoyl's idea of have a certain amount of karma points each day (if that is even possible).
Post by: methodsboy on April 21, 2009, 08:11:07 pm
violations like these http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php?action=otherkarma;u=2507:P
Post by: Eriny on April 21, 2009, 09:43:55 pm
a) If a newbie abuses karma we can quite easily stop/reverse it.
b) If a newbie gets genuine help from person X, person X should still be rewarded.
Post by: Flaming_Arrow on April 21, 2009, 10:26:53 pm
I think a limit on postcount to give karma is actually quite silly. Why?:
a) If a newbie abuses karma we can quite easily stop/reverse it.
b) If a newbie gets genuine help from person X, person X should still be rewarded.
on the other hand, newbie could neg karma everyone
Post by: doboman on April 21, 2009, 10:44:39 pm
I think she answered that in her above post. With the karma system, i think it should be about ranking a post. For example: (name) helps on the math board. It proves helpful to somebody, and they rank it (1-5). If the average ranking is 4; the person should get 1 karma. If the average post ranking is 5; person gets 2 karma ect ect. Similarly, if the rank is 1; the person gets -2 karma....I think a limit on postcount to give karma is actually quite silly. Why?:
a) If a newbie abuses karma we can quite easily stop/reverse it.
b) If a newbie gets genuine help from person X, person X should still be rewarded.
on the other hand, newbie could neg karma everyone
That way, to maintain a positive karma, people are expected to have posts that are ranked 3 or above (this also decreases the amount of rubbish posts out there). I don't even know if this could be implemented, but it sounds good in my mind =P.
Post by: shinny on April 21, 2009, 10:48:12 pm
Post by: dcc on April 21, 2009, 11:25:08 pm
Post by: excal on April 23, 2009, 12:21:27 am
Alternatively, we can implement something similar to Whingepool where each person can assign a person a level of 'aura' once. The levels get averaged and processed into an aura 'level' that lives in the profile (NOT on posts).
Post by: ninwa on April 23, 2009, 12:38:01 am
I think she answered that in her above post. With the karma system, i think it should be about ranking a post. For example: (name) helps on the math board. It proves helpful to somebody, and they rank it (1-5). If the average ranking is 4; the person should get 1 karma. If the average post ranking is 5; person gets 2 karma ect ect. Similarly, if the rank is 1; the person gets -2 karma....I really like this idea ... is it possible?
That way, to maintain a positive karma, people are expected to have posts that are ranked 3 or above (this also decreases the amount of rubbish posts out there). I don't even know if this could be implemented, but it sounds good in my mind =P.
Post by: kurrymuncher on April 23, 2009, 12:38:47 am
Post by: xXNovaxX on November 07, 2009, 12:21:18 am
If you look at many people, they have been victims...if thats the right word, of RANDOM smites. I think Karma should really be something to show someones reputations and helpfulness.
Maybe defaming somebody for no reason should be put on the rule board? Or a system where we can ask a mod to un-do this karma action if they agree it was un-justified. This idea (the mod one) does seem like a pain in the back-side, so it shouldn't really be implemented, but I was saying SOMETHING like that.
Maybe users who remove karma for no reason can be warned? Remember when that skotter person was banned? He had defamed many pplz after posting 50 or w/e (therefore having the privilege to), and once banned, all his smite was undone, that is something which I am suggesting.
Maybe for example, only the OP can give a karma point for the contributor if they think they have been useful/helpful. For example, I post a thread....i get 10 replies, i give karma to those people for the replies?
But I don't think full system reset is fair, especially, for those who have worked hard to gt it e.g. True Tears, Ninwa, Coblin, Exaclibur, flaming arrow etc amongst others.
But if a reset is to happen, it should coincide with a revamp which prohibits random smiting.
Post by: excal on November 07, 2009, 08:21:51 am
Post by: Edmund on November 07, 2009, 09:56:02 am
Post by: Gloamglozer on November 07, 2009, 10:49:01 am
It's a VN culture to +1 TrueTears everyday.
TT is like the God of VN. Karma-ring him everyday is like tribute, much like what the Aztecs did but less epic - and brutal of course. :)