ATAR Notes: Forum
Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: acrimony on June 05, 2012, 03:04:26 pm
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I rocked up to the Bio exam today without a bag, but with a pencil case and a piece of paper that had useless notes on it.
Anyway.
2 hours into the exam, I am busting to go to the bathroom. As I walked to the entrance of the bathroom, two people sitting at a desk asked if I had anything in my pocket, I pulled out a packet of gum and that damned piece of paper. I totally forgot I had it in my pocket. They then harshly asked for my name and I.D number, and threw that piece of paper into a pile of what seemed to be other confiscated notes.
So what do you guys reckon will happen?
Should I email anyone to plead my case?
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Don't do anything irrational. Just wait to see what they do - if they say anything about it, then you could ask for an interview or something to explain what happened. And, if they don't well, no harm done.
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How useless were the "useless notes" - if they were completely irrelevant, like directions how to get to the place or some shit like that, it probably won't matter, but if it's related to the subject matter, it'd be hard for you to defend yourself :\
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Useless as in none of what was on there would've helped me in the exam, it did contain bio notes.
And I shall wait seretide.
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I think
- make a note to yourself of any particular circumstances so you have a detailed case if anything eventuates
- contact 13 MELB / consult website for info about relevant procedures / appeal mechanisms just so you are informed (no need to do anything irrational as seretide said)
- stay calm, don't over analyze and focus on your upcoming exams
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Yeah, the main thing is to let it go for now and focus on your upcoming exams- don't become distracted by it
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Theoretically if you were planning to cheat then you would have had remembered that you had notes in your pocket and would have not presented it. You should be safe.
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Theoretically if you were planning to cheat then you would have had remembered that you had notes in your pocket and would have not presented it. You should be safe.
Haha yeah they ask you if you have any notes, 'Yeah I have notes, and what are you going to do about it?' i'm sure that would go down well lol.
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Did they allow you (acrimony) to explain yourself?
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They won't allow you to explain yourself in an exam, it's not their position anyway, but yeah, just deal with it after all your exams
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I guess they just report any 'suspicious' activity and leave it to be followed up
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Cheers guys, I'll let you all know the results of it.
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Cheers guys, I'll let you all the results of it.
To be continued...
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Cheers guys, I'll let you all the results of it.
To be continued...
Acrimony should start back again with... "Previously on I'm Innocent" :D
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Cheers guys, I'll let you all the results of it.
To be continued...
Acrimony should start back again with... "Previously on I'm Innocent" :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFtl2XXnUc
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I still have not received my Bio mark yet (WAF), tomorrow I have a meeting for the perceived misconduct. Hopefully all goes well or else there goes a year off my uni life as it is a prerequisite for next year's subjects.
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^are you serious? I didn't think they'll take it that far lol
well good luck with the meeting ;)
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Cheers anon. This feels like highschool again getting in trouble and being sent to the coordinator's office, oh happy days.
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Good luck mate, fingers tightly crossed for you! To state the obvious just be calm and honest and sincere because you know that you're not in the wrong here, and that'll give you the best chance of getting a justified result.
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Cheers buddy
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I forgot about this thread. Hope all goes well!!
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Thanks el, and well done on acing chem fundamentals. I reckon you should jump straight to chem 2 since you love your holidays
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Thanks el, and well done on acing chem fundamentals. I reckon you should jump straight to chem 2 since you love your holidays
Hehe, I don't know if i'd call it acing but I guess 80 was good enough for them. I sent a form today to the ESPC :) I do love my holidays indeed, however most of these holidays may be trying to catch up with other chem students who have done Chem 1 :P Let us know how the meeting goes :)
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Haha yes, I shall.
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I find the scenario amusing, albeit quite serious. What ended up happening?
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He met with Gandalf and they discussed plans to fight the forces of evil.
I'm sorry I had to say that.
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My exam mark was adjusted so that the the highest possible mark I could receive was a 50. And I got exactly that. I was told many students who had similar stories to me actually failed the subject. The old saying still rings strong, "when life gives you lemons, just squeeze them over the wounds."
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so sorry to hear that, that is really harsh! But don't worry this is just first year, if you like most others also aim for high gpa, one subject won't affect you much ;)
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My exam mark was adjusted so that the the highest possible mark I could receive was a 50. And I got exactly that. I was told many students who had similar stories to me actually failed the subject. The old saying still rings strong, "when life gives you lemons, just squeeze them over the wounds."
Yeah as anonymous 1 said, it's just one subject, still it's quite harsh because you didn't actually cheat. Your gpa will be fine
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Give the student union a call and see what they can do for you. What sort of discussion did you actually have with the faculty?
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You should have definitely spoke with the student union before the meeting. Though it is really hard to defend a piece of paper with bio notes on it, IMO passing was a blessing.
That said, if I felt a piece of paper in my pocket, I wouldn't have pulled it out..not like it leaves a bulge or they will strip search you.
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You should have definitely spoke with the student union before the meeting. Though it is really hard to defend a piece of paper with bio notes on it, IMO passing was a blessing.
That said, if I felt a piece of paper in my pocket, I wouldn't have pulled it out..not like it leaves a bulge or they will strip search you.
I think the fact that acrimony was willing to show his pockets (however not realising there were any notes in there) purely showed it was accidental in bringing in notes in there in the first place. If it were done with the intention of cheating, the person would just say no there are no notes without opening their pockets.
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You should have definitely spoke with the student union before the meeting. Though it is really hard to defend a piece of paper with bio notes on it, IMO passing was a blessing.
That said, if I felt a piece of paper in my pocket, I wouldn't have pulled it out..not like it leaves a bulge or they will strip search you.
I think the fact that acrimony was willing to show his pockets (however not realising there were any notes in there) purely showed it was accidental in bringing in notes in there in the first place. If it were done with the intention of cheating, the person would just say no there are no notes without opening their pockets.
Yeah but surely if you said "no" the supervisor wouldn't be like, "fair enough." In which case the default response of a student should be to open pockets regardless.
I'm pretty sure they don't have the right to tell you to show your pockets
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no, i don't expect they would be allowed to physically force you to open your pockets; but not doing so would be more incriminating than showing notes and claiming negligence (i'm definitely not saying this is what happened to acrimony, it's just that opening pockets isn't conclusive in any way)
I think if you brought notes you would have the intention of saying you didn't have them when they asked you, if someone is very unprepared for the exam, I think this is enough drive for them to take that risk. I suppose it's not conclusive that the person is innocent by willing to open their pockets, but I think it gives a strong indication that they did not have the intention to cheat.
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I agree with you. unfortunately he/she was was in possession of an illegal item during the exam, and intentions don't really count for much in this situation. Really bad luck though.
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Even though it's harsh and bad luck, I think that it's important we all learn from this, all the materials we have on ourselves during an exam is our own responsibility and the truth is, we can't all say that it's accidental if something happens and we get caught. So check what you have on you before you go into that exam room!
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If you refuse to empty your pockets, sure they can't force you to but they can refuse to give you your mark for the exam in that case (or just concede a pass). Similar to how refusing a breath test isn't going to get you out of a drink driving charge
I would get in touch with the union and see if there's any chance to get the exam mark reconsidered. I think there's some degree of murkiness here that might let you work something out
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But they don't ask you to empty your pockets, when I was there they just asked me if I had any notes?
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Alternatively try to avoid using the toilet during exams :P
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Alternatively try to avoid using the toilet during exams :P
Yeah wear nappies, like Russ does.
Works like a charm. :P
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I went to the bathroom wearing this coat I have with false pockets and they tried to get me to show them what was in my pockets and I was like "they're not real ):" and it took them 30 seconds to believe me, it was quite awkward. I was like, how can I prove to you these do not open?
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Yeah wear nappies, like Russ does.
Works like a charm. :P
He should write a magazine article about this!
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I feel so sorry for you acrimony. You are lucky that you got a 50 instead of failing (or being pulled out of your course). Before an exam MAKE SURE YOU'RE POCKETS HAVE NOTHING IN THEM THAT ISN'T ALLOWED! I personally do NOT bring in my mobile and anything I do bring in, is contained in those clear plastic lunch bags.