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Title: Does the use of cinematography include music?
Post by: bentennason on October 31, 2012, 04:10:23 pm
Say the director chooses to insert a type of music at a particular scene, does this come under cinematography?
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Post by: iamjesus on October 31, 2012, 04:14:17 pm
Nope. Cinematography is the framing of the shot (image/video). Different to sound.
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Post by: Felicity Wishes on October 31, 2012, 04:17:38 pm
No but it is still a very important aspect of the film & it is there for a reason.
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Post by: bentennason on October 31, 2012, 04:20:20 pm
Yeah I was wondering because a prompt specifically asked how cinematography shows blah blah
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Post by: WINGARDIUM on October 31, 2012, 04:21:20 pm
Sound is a cinematic technique though
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Post by: Felicity Wishes on October 31, 2012, 04:22:22 pm
Quote from: bentennason on October 31, 2012, 04:20:20 pm
Yeah I was wondering because a prompt specifically asked how cinematography shows blah blah
You can talk about sound.
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Post by: Yendall on October 31, 2012, 04:27:09 pm
Sound is split into Diegetic and Non-Diegetic Sound. Sound is included in the film but isn't a part of cinematography, you'd need to be quite specific as to what the sound is. In your case, music is non-diegetic.

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Post by: bentennason on October 31, 2012, 04:34:10 pm
Do I have to mention whether it's diegetic or not? Say if it was a fast paced beating of a drum
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Post by: Yendall on October 31, 2012, 04:44:39 pm
Quote from: bentennason on October 31, 2012, 04:34:10 pm
Do I have to mention whether it's diegetic or not? Say if it was a fast paced beating of a drum
Beating of a drum is pre-recorded so it is non-diegetic. Screaming, talking, natural sound is all diegetic. I'd say it's fairly paramount that you show a notable difference.
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Post by: bentennason on October 31, 2012, 05:07:53 pm
Okay so in conclusion, are you saying that I can ONLY use sounds that are present within the shot(diegetic sounds) if the prompt is about cinematography?
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Post by: Yendall on October 31, 2012, 05:10:28 pm
Quote from: bentennason on October 31, 2012, 05:07:53 pm
Okay so in conclusion, are you saying that I can ONLY use sounds that are present within the shot(diegetic sounds) if the prompt is about cinematography?
I don't want to say yes, as I'm not entirely sure. I know that cinematography is the process of creating film through camera, lighting and movement. So i'm not sure if you're actually allowed to mention sound at all. I'll have a look around on the web for you.
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Post by: Yendall on October 31, 2012, 05:20:08 pm
There isn't much, but this is what I gathered:


So i'd say you will have to talk about camera angles, movements, film noir, long and short sighted shots.

For example: "an overhead shot of Johnny Friendly witnessing Father Barry's sermon in the hold exemplifies his authority and power over the longshoremen. Kazan successfully portrays through camera angling that Friendly has total control of the isolated dock workers."
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Post by: Greatness on October 31, 2012, 05:37:07 pm
From what I remember I used sound/music as a cinematic technique.
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Post by: Yendall on October 31, 2012, 05:38:10 pm
Quote from: swarley on October 31, 2012, 05:37:07 pm
From what I remember I used sound/music as a cinematic technique.
Yeah it's a technique, so non-diegetic and diegetic sound are techniques. Cinematography is a different thing all together.
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Post by: Greatness on October 31, 2012, 05:48:32 pm
Quote from: Yendall on October 31, 2012, 05:38:10 pm
Quote from: swarley on October 31, 2012, 05:37:07 pm
From what I remember I used sound/music as a cinematic technique.
Yeah it's a technique, so non-diegetic and diegetic sound are techniques. Cinematography is a different thing all together.
Ah ok, my bad lol I don't think they'll be that cruel and give you something that not everyone will be 100% clear of but you do have a dictionary... :p