ATAR Notes: Forum
Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => Monash University => Topic started by: Special At Specialist on January 30, 2013, 07:58:52 pm
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I'm not going to do either, I'm just curious. I heard a lot of people were getting into biomedical science at Monash without even doing the UMAT, many of whom scored below a 90 ATAR. What is the difference between them, and where does each degree lead?
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I think they're just different names for the same thing. You don't need to do the UMAT to get into biomedicine/biomedical science.
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Equivalent of UoM's BBiomed?
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I'm confused... I thought Monash biomedicine was an extremely hard course to get into that required a very high UMAT. If they are the same thing, then why are people with similar VCE marks to me getting in?
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I'm confused... I thought Monash biomedicine was an extremely hard course to get into that required a very high UMAT. If they are the same thing, then why are people with similar VCE marks to me getting in?
You probably won't get in with an ATAR in the 80s unless you're disadvantaged or SEAS...etc.
The clearly in is usually in the low 90s. Biomedical Science at Monash is essentially very similar to Biomedicine at UoM. Of course, some will disagree with me regarding similarity, but more or less it is.
Biomedical science and Biomedicine are science degrees, they are not medical degrees, you don't become a doctor doing biomed, you need a very high UMAT to get into medicine.
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I'm confused... I thought Monash biomedicine was an extremely hard course to get into that required a very high UMAT. If they are the same thing, then why are people with similar VCE marks to me getting in?
you are thinking of monash MBBS (bachelor of medicine/surgery)
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you are thinking of monash MBBS (bachelor of medicine/surgery)
Yes, that's the one! What is the difference between Monash MBBS and Monash Biomedical Science?
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Yes, that's the one! What is the difference between Monash MBBS and Monash Biomedical Science?
Biomedical science and Biomedicine are science degrees, they are not medical degrees, you don't become a doctor doing biomed.
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So biomedicine is a science, whilst regular medicine is a medical degree? I always thought that when people said "medicine", they were referring to biomedicine...
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Medicine and biomedicine are both defined as a science if you put it that way, but biomedicine doesn't provide a medical license to practice as a doctor, it focuses more on the theoretical side of things
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Medicine and biomedicine are both defined as a science if you put it that way, but biomedicine doesn't provide a medical license to practice as a doctor, it focuses more on the theoretical side of things
I think I understand now... can biomedicine lead to postgrad medicine? Or does only MBBS lead there?
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A biomedicine degree leads to graduate medicine. If you do an MBBS degree, there is no need to complete another medical degree.
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A biomedicine degree leads to graduate medicine. If you do an MBBS degree, there is no need to complete another medical degree.
Oh I see, so MBBS is just a shortcut version to becoming a doctor, as opposed to postgraduate medicine, but it requires a significantly higher ATAR score and UMAT score.
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Oh I see, so MBBS is just a shortcut version to becoming a doctor, as opposed to postgraduate medicine, but it requires a significantly higher ATAR score and UMAT score.
It's not a shortcut version, it's just a different model.
E.g. LLB vs. JD - they're two different pathways to get to become a lawyer.
Traditionally British medical schools followed the undergraduate (MBBS) pathway whereas US medical schools followed the graduate (bachelors + MD) pathway. Up until recently, Aus. followed the British in that we only had MBBS - but UoM (and other universities) have, since, introduced graduate entry pathways.
In order to get into graduate medicine, you will need a high GPA, high GAMSAT and a strong interview. It's no easier to get into graduate medicine.
A biomedicine degree MIGHT lead to an MD, there are many who do biomedicine for other purposes - e.g. dentistry, physiotherapy, biomed engineering, research, teaching...etc.
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Australia has had grad entry medicine for a long time, not just since 2008/Melbourne model
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Australia has had grad entry medicine for a long time, not just since 2008/Melbourne model
Thanks for correcting me on that, although I've always thought that traditionally Australia was all undergraduate. My bad!
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sorry, didnt want to make a new thread cause if i did someone would link me to this anyways. However, if biomedicine is a science how does it make it different to general science in terms of content and pathway options and entering the 'real world' with a biomedicine degree vs science degree?
Thanks
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As someone who does both, they're really very similar in many ways. However, you could think of biomed as a general "pre-med" sort of course with a bit of everything, while in science you specialise in (usually) one or two main areas. Biomed offers some content that you can't get in a science degree, such as an epidemiology unit.
Career prospects are very similar, neither is going to give you a particularly significant advantage to get into med with the current system. From 2017, biomed at monash will give you an edge in getting admission into monash postgrad MBBS.
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"Biomedicine" isn't really a science as much as a name of a degree.
It doesn't make sense to say one is better or worse, they're just different. If you ask my opinion however, i will tell you science is marginally better.
Biomed (mostly) is a degree created by the university marketing departments for people who hope to get into med, etc. It is mainly the content of a science degree repackaged (i think everyone will acknowledge this).
There are a few important differences:
Biomed:
* A fair lot of your subjects are chosen for you, especially in the early days. Good if you cant decide for yourself or want someone else to plan your degree for you (i guess?). It's designed for you, instead of you designing it on your own (especially earlier in your degree). Your opinion on this may vary. It is slightly more intergrated this way though, which is a small bonus.
* A few additional subjects science kids cant take. Nothing important like physics or biology, probably really niche subjects.
* Prestige, if you care about such things. It reminds me of a joke i heard once around campus - "Biomed is the degree you choose if you want to study science and show off your ATAR".
Science:
* All your subjects (beyond a very small amount of compulsory subjects) are chosen by you. For example, you dont have to study physics if you dont want to, i think biomed it is a compulsory part of the course (?). Even if my example is wrong, the general principal is there, you get significantly more choice in a science degree.
* Room for non-science electives. I've studied astrobiology, philosophy, history, religious studies, politics and the list goes on. Within a Monash science degree, if structured right, you actually have enough points to also major in a non-science area (say Japanese). So, that gives you an indication the degree of freedom and wiggle room you have. They are starting to make their degrees slightly more structured over the years though (probably trying to match Melbourne).