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VCE Stuff => VCE English Studies => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE English & EAL => Topic started by: stonecold on February 14, 2010, 02:52:23 pm
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Hey everyone,
I am trying to write a double analysis where two letters are in agreement with each other.
I just need some help with setting it out. Do I introduce both articles in the introduction, then write about one, then link it to the next, then conclude...or....am I supposed to continuously discuss them both and compare them throughout the entire piece?
Thanks.
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Hey everyone,
I am trying to write a double analysis where two letters are in agreement with each other.
I just need some help with setting it out. Do I introduce both articles in the introduction, then write about one, then link it to the next, then conclude...or....am I supposed to continuously discuss them both and compare them throughout the entire piece?
Thanks.
you can do both depending on how good you are in English. Generally, the awesome students will continue to discuss and compare throughout the entire piece, but it is just fine to have two separate pieces and a linking paragraph in the middle. Either way is fine, but if your aiming for 45-50 study score then compare them continuously.
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Thanks crappy. Although I stink at English, i'll try and attempt to do the more advanced option haha.
They are only short thank goodness.
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just another stupid question, are you supposed to use double quotation marks or single.
'x' or "x"?
i think it's double but primary school was a really long time ago, and now i see people using the single ones lol.
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just another stupid question, are you supposed to use double quotation marks or single.
'x' or "x"?
i think it's double but primary school was a really long time ago, and now i see people using the single ones lol.
I don't think it really matters as long as you stick with either one or the other in your writing. If you're going to be quoting a quote within a quote then you would use double quotation marks on the outside and single quotations marks inside.
e.g. Bob argued this by saying, "Mary said, 'blah blah blah.'"
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thanks, i wasn't sure if they meant different things lol.
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My teacher told me it didn't really matter, but when quoting speech use double and when quoting other stuff, like writing, use single.
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Hey everyone,
I am trying to write a double analysis where two letters are in agreement with each other.
I just need some help with setting it out. Do I introduce both articles in the introduction, then write about one, then link it to the next, then conclude...or....am I supposed to continuously discuss them both and compare them throughout the entire piece?
Thanks.
you can do both depending on how good you are in English. Generally, the awesome students will continue to discuss and compare throughout the entire piece, but it is just fine to have two separate pieces and a linking paragraph in the middle. Either way is fine, but if your aiming for 45-50 study score then compare them continuously.
Hm my tutor said that for double analysis you do NOT do a comparison.
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^ i think you do compare, but you're not comparing the effectiveness of the techniques against each other, just how the authors use different techniques to attempt to persuade readers to their similar or contrasting points of view.
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Ah ok that makes more sense.
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yeah, you should never comment on the effectiveness of the techniques employed by the author in ANY analysis. you just talk about the technique, give an example and say it attempts to persuade readers by..........
:)
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Okay, so my teacher gave us a very strong indication that our SAC will be on one of the those mammoth opinion pieces in the herald sun (the double page ones).
I really stink at analysing these because there is so much to do. We did a practise one and I didn't really do a great job of it. How do you go about these really long pieces? Obviously, as I learnt from my epic fail practise SAC, that it is probably better to discuss 5-6 really important aspects of the article and also to dedicate a good paragraph to the visual yeah?
These articles just really scare me because they are so big. What should I be ensuring to analyse/leave out?..... and just other general tips for these articles would be great.
Thanks.
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^ Yeah its harder if its a longer/bigger article because you will then have to pick out the most persuasive techniques.
And yeah separate paragraph for visual.
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yeah thanks. it's hard though because I'm used to just going through in chronological order and I don't really like to leave stuff out. is it best to try and use as many different examples as possible, for example, anecdotal evidence, statistics, attack, appeal to patriotism....
It's weird for me because I like to pick out the subtleties like connotations, inclusive language, sarcasm etc. I reckon they are pretty persuasive, but it's hard to discuss them on their own. Maybe combine them all into a paragraph and then dedicate entire paragraphs when quoting and explaining the more 'prominent' techniques?
also, any ideas what issue it might be? definitely won't be whaling or violence against indian students, we've already done them. we also did a cartoon on the peter garret roofing insulation fiasco, so it probably won't be that either. Most of the stuff she's been giving us was from Jan/Feb, so it will be fairly recent...
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Quality over Quantity. :)
Hm i think you can combine like 2 techniques into 1 para, but not all.
I think the issue could be anything lol, really hard to say, depends on your teacher.
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Yeah true. I've got two hours though, so i'll need to write at least probably 1000 words of 'quality.'
Thing which annoys me about my teacher is, I saw her sample sheet for the piece we analysed earlier in the week, and she did the whole treasure hunt thing and found as many techniques as possible. IMO, that is the lame way of doing analysis. You should go through an article, cite examples and explain why their persuasive in the context of the issue, not just by finding techniques and then twisting the general persuasive reasoning behind it into your writing.
I hope that's not her criteria for marking...
Just to be safe, i'll try and throw in as much relevant metalanguage as possible. :)