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Title: questions
Post by: Phresh on February 14, 2010, 11:59:08 pm
Hi

mean=100
standard deviation=15

97.5% of people taking the test will score more than __ ?
84% of people will score less than __?

How do i approach these questions?


Thank you
Title: Re: questions
Post by: m@tty on February 15, 2010, 12:10:37 am
In calculator use then convert from z-score
That's what was done in Methods, don't know for Further.
Title: Re: questions
Post by: vexx on February 15, 2010, 12:12:22 am
Hi

Matty- this is further maths, it's easy to explain like this: hah

84% will score less then:
Well, one standard deviation above the mean is 115 and below is 85, and 68% of the people lie in this range. So if we were to say that less then 115 people score a certain percentage:
The number of people below the first standard deviation (85) is 16% yes? As there is 16% on either side of the first standard deviation (as 100%-68% is 32%) which means that 68% PLUS 16% is the total amount below 115, so that makes it 84%.

As for 97.5%
We know that two standard deviations either side of the mean is 95% (again using the 68-95-99.7 rule), so outside this standard deviation is 5% of the population, so on just one side of this is 2.5%, so we can say
100-30=70, (two standard deviations) and 70+ is 95% to 130 (115+15) and then above that is 2.5%
Therefore is 97.5%, so it is more than 70.

make sense?
Title: Re: questions
Post by: m@tty on February 15, 2010, 12:26:20 am
Oh, didn't realise they were part of the 68-95-99.7 rule, I thought about it, but failed to see the symmetry. :(
Title: Re: questions
Post by: the.watchman on February 15, 2010, 06:29:07 am
Lol, I made the same mistake in another thread, using MM techniques :D
Title: Re: questions
Post by: vexx on February 15, 2010, 02:18:23 pm
Haha, it's so much easier using the further rule, and it can all be easily done without much thought :)
Title: Re: questions
Post by: stonecold on February 15, 2010, 02:35:13 pm
make sure you're familiar with the normal distribution and the 68-95-99.7 rule (i think those are the numbers haha!), as it is guaranteed to appear on the exam.
Title: Re: questions
Post by: Phresh on February 22, 2010, 05:56:04 pm
Data showing the number of tourists visiting a small country in a month and the corresponding average monthly exchange rate for the country’s currency against the American dollar are given below.

which is the independent and dependent variable?
Title: Re: questions
Post by: vexx on February 22, 2010, 06:25:35 pm
Data showing the number of tourists visiting a small country in a month and the corresponding average monthly exchange rate for the country’s currency against the American dollar are given below.

which is the independent and dependent variable?

the number of tourists is the independent, and the exchange rate against the american dollar is the dependent as it depends on the number of tourists.
Title: Re: questions
Post by: physics on February 22, 2010, 06:29:11 pm
teacher said not to use the methods technique.....:P apparently she looks down on me because i did methods last year and chose to do further :(
ggggggggahhh she scares me :[
Title: Re: questions
Post by: m@tty on February 22, 2010, 06:38:10 pm
Data showing the number of tourists visiting a small country in a month and the corresponding average monthly exchange rate for the country’s currency against the American dollar are given below.

which is the independent and dependent variable?

the number of tourists is the independent, and the exchange rate against the american dollar is the dependent as it depends on the number of tourists.
But the number of tourists is also dependent on the exchange rate, more will go if it will be cheaper. Both effect each other, and exchange rate is more dependent on trade than tourism.  ::)
Title: Re: questions
Post by: the.watchman on February 22, 2010, 06:39:38 pm
Data showing the number of tourists visiting a small country in a month and the corresponding average monthly exchange rate for the country’s currency against the American dollar are given below.

which is the independent and dependent variable?

the number of tourists is the independent, and the exchange rate against the american dollar is the dependent as it depends on the number of tourists.
But the number of tourists is also dependent on the exchange rate, more will go if it will be cheaper. Both effect each other, and exchange rate is more dependent on trade than tourism.  ::)

True! But the tourists are dependent to a lesser extent... :P
Title: Re: questions
Post by: m@tty on February 22, 2010, 06:44:29 pm
That's debatable.
Title: Re: questions
Post by: the.watchman on February 22, 2010, 06:46:14 pm
That's debatable.

Indeed! Hey Phresh, what does BoB say?
Title: Re: questions
Post by: Phresh on February 22, 2010, 06:47:18 pm
number of tourists is the independent and the other is dependent. But my teacher says otherwise.. hrm
Title: Re: questions
Post by: the.watchman on February 22, 2010, 06:49:08 pm
Just ignore this particular question.
As long as you know how to differentiate (:P) between the two different types of variables, then it doesn't really matter.
(I use the differentiate in normal English way too much :D)
Title: Re: questions
Post by: vexx on February 22, 2010, 07:06:50 pm
number of tourists is the independent and the other is dependent. But my teacher says otherwise.. hrm

yeah that's correct.

matty- the exchange rate does not directly affect the tourists behaviour, they go when they please and themselves affect the exchanges, not the other way roundddddddd :p
Title: Re: questions
Post by: the.watchman on February 22, 2010, 07:09:40 pm
number of tourists is the independent and the other is dependent. But my teacher says otherwise.. hrm

yeah that's correct.

matty- the exchange rate does not directly affect the tourists behaviour, they go when they please and themselves affect the exchanges, not the other way roundddddddd :p

But doesn't the exchange rate affect whether/where they want to travel or not?
Particularly if it makes costs cheaper/more expensive?
Title: Re: questions
Post by: Visionz on February 22, 2010, 07:18:42 pm
I was doing independant and dependant variables today. I was like wtf. It said identify the dependant variable and I got every single question wrong. So I said I misread the question and put independant variables at the top. :P I think I know how to do it now...
Title: Re: questions
Post by: the.watchman on February 22, 2010, 07:20:35 pm
I was doing independant and dependant variables today. I was like wtf. It said identify the dependant variable and I got every single question wrong. So I said I misread the question and put independant variables at the top. :P I think I know how to do it now...

LOL, independents do not change in relation to anything else (they DON'T DEPEND on anything)
Dependent variables change according to other variables (they DEPEND on something else)

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: questions
Post by: m@tty on February 22, 2010, 07:23:51 pm
This question is a dud, they are interdependent. But I think the.watchman has the more appropriate approach, tourist numbers are more dependent on exchange rate than the exchange rate is dependent on them.
Title: Re: questions
Post by: stonecold on February 22, 2010, 07:26:39 pm
don't stress about homo questions like that.  the exam will either give you good questions where one variable is clearly independent and the other dependent, or they will tell you which one is the independent variable.

question 9 core was nice kinda trick they played last year with independent variables:
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vcaa/vce/studies/mathematics/further/pastexams/2009/2009furmath1-w.pdf

question 8 core they fucked up on!!!! i hate you vcaa.