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Title: Photoelectric Effect and Conservation of Momentum
Post by: /0 on March 08, 2010, 10:27:56 pm
It's something I've never really noticed until recently, but superficially it seems that the photoelectric effect violates conservation of momentum.

I mean your classic diagram for the photoelectric effect goes like this:

(http://www.cem.msu.edu/~harrison/cem483/pelec.gif)

The photon comes in from above, and the electron shoots back up! Wouldn't you expect the electron to be pushed down, due to conservation of momentum?

Anyone have any ideas why this is?
Title: Re: Photoelectric Effect and Conservation of Momentum
Post by: Mao on March 08, 2010, 10:50:07 pm
That is, assuming the metal doesn't move.

Are you sure the metal will remain perfectly stationary?
Title: Re: Photoelectric Effect and Conservation of Momentum
Post by: /0 on March 08, 2010, 11:04:32 pm
I don't think the metal needs to move. It's just the interactions of one photon and one electron (delocalised).

Besides, isn't the photoelectric effect supposed to be a special case of compton scattering, which strictly adheres to conservation laws?
Title: Re: Photoelectric Effect and Conservation of Momentum
Post by: Mao on March 09, 2010, 02:10:43 am
Apparently, the metallic lattice absorbs the recoil momentum. http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-73979.html
Title: Re: Photoelectric Effect and Conservation of Momentum
Post by: QuantumJG on March 09, 2010, 07:41:30 am
It's something I've never really noticed until recently, but superficially it seems that the photoelectric effect violates conservation of momentum.

I mean your classic diagram for the photoelectric effect goes like this:

(http://www.cem.msu.edu/~harrison/cem483/pelec.gif)

The photon comes in from above, and the electron shoots back up! Wouldn't you expect the electron to be pushed down, due to conservation of momentum?

Anyone have any ideas why this is?

I'm doing a prac on this today.

The metallic lattice absorbs the recoil momentum as what Mao said.

We are starting to discuss in lectures what the wave-like nature of particles is and the Born interpretation, the next few lectures are going to be really mathematical!
Title: Re: Photoelectric Effect and Conservation of Momentum
Post by: /0 on March 10, 2010, 12:23:12 am
Lol yeah I did a prac on the photoelectric effect today. Got Planck's constant as , I'm just glad it's not negative XD

Oh yeah and in Quantum Mechanics we just finished talking about the 'old quantum mechanics' and now we're gonna discuss Schrodinger's wave equation! It's gonna be so awesome.

Title: Re: Photoelectric Effect and Conservation of Momentum
Post by: Cthulhu on March 10, 2010, 12:25:10 am
Schrodinger's equation :D \o/ Fun stuff.
Title: Re: Photoelectric Effect and Conservation of Momentum
Post by: QuantumJG on March 11, 2010, 08:52:19 am
In the prac we got h/e to be 3.177x10-15[/sub] Js/C.
Title: Re: Photoelectric Effect and Conservation of Momentum
Post by: /0 on March 11, 2010, 03:37:42 pm
wow gj, that's pretty close