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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: stonecold on January 20, 2011, 04:28:21 pm
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I would just like a few things about breadth clarified please.
I understand you can only take 3 subjects at level 1. Is this 3 subjects out of the compulsory 4 breadth subjects, or 3 subjects out of the 4 breadth + 2 free elective subjects?
Similarly, at least 1 subject must be from level 2 or 3. Does this have to be a breadth subject, or can it be a free elective subject?
I am not too concerned with all this, because most of the subjects I am looking at are level 2 and 3 anyway.
Also, are you able to take any level of subjects straight up? Or do you have to start at level 1, then progress to levels 2 and 3. I am currently under the impression that unless a subject has a prerequisite, you can take it, not matter what level it is.
And finally, with your 2 free electives, they can be used on ANY subjects which you have met the prerequisites for right?
For example, after doing Calc 1, I may want to do Calc 2 + Linear Algebra to keep my options open for engineering should I one day have a change of heart. Unlikely to happen, but you never know. I could do these as free electives right?
Sorry for all the questions. I am just unsure.
And I am still torn over which Breadth Subjects to do. There are so many!
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You can only take 3 breadth subjects as level 1. If you're doing an elective (say, genetics) it's not breadth. As such, at least 1 breadth subject must be level 2/3.
You can do whatever subject, whenever as long as you meet any pre/co requisites. Level 3 in 1st year is fine, level 1 in 3rd year is fine.
Your 2 free electives are just that, free. Take whatever subject you want.
What breadth are you thinking of now? I need ideas myself.
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I understand you can only take 3 subjects at level 1. Is this 3 subjects out of the compulsory 4 breadth subjects, or 3 subjects out of the 4 breadth + 2 free elective subjects?
The 3 Level 1 subjects is part of the compulsory 4 breadth subjects. You can do Level 1 subjects in the 2 free elective subjects but remember you can only do a maximum of 10 Level 1 subjects in your whole degree.
Also, are you able to take any level of subjects straight up? Or do you have to start at level 1, then progress to levels 2 and 3. I am currently under the impression that unless a subject has a prerequisite, you can take it, not matter what level it is.
You can do any subject if you have met the prerequisites. But for languages, if you are taking up a beginners language, you must complete the Level 1 version of the subject (and not Level 2) - this is for science/biomed students, not sure for other courses...
E.g. For Chinese 1A there are CHIN10005 and CHIN20023 and only the Level 1 subject is available as breadth :-\
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My innate suckiness at LOTE will prevent me from exploring any foreign languages.
Thanks for clearing that up guys.
At the moment, I am unsure whether to do a track or just take random subjects. If I were to take a track, then it would most likely be linguistics related. I know you don't have to follow it, so I could still change it and put in the specific linguistics subjects that I want. I find criminology really interesting as well, but never having done anything like it before worries me, and a lot of the assessment is written. At least I have EngLang to help me with linguistics, and I actually do enjoy it. :)
Doing the Nature of Human Development (Psych Track) would have been nice, but most of the subjects are not allowed for biomed and science students. :(
I also find many of the single UNIBreadth subjects fascinating. I am seriously contemplating doing the druggie one. Join me Russ!!!
The Genetics, Health, and Society and Seeing: The Whole Picture also look very interesting/tempting.
Critical Thinking with Data would mainly be for GAMSAT prep if I took it.
So at the moment I am tossing up between doing all linguistic subjects or lots of different UniBreadth subjects. I could also do both, if I decide not to use any of my free electives for Maths/Science.
Here are the links if anyone wants them:
English Language Breadth Track
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/!065XX-BRDS%2B1053
Liguistics Breadth Track
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/!065XX-BRDS%2B1093
Criminology Breadth Track
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/!065XX-BRDS%2B1038
The Nature of Human Development Breadth Track
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/!065XX-BRDS%2B1136
Logic, meaning and computation Breadth Track
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/!065XX-BRDM%2B1003
Critical Thinking With Data
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/UNIB10006
Genetics, Health, and Society
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/UNIB20007
Drugs That Shape Society
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/UNIB20008
Seeing: The Whole Picture
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/UNIB10004
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Genetics health and society is a great breadth but do it in second year. You're guaranteed an H1 for it, if you get the mark in 2nd year it gets weighted x2
Drugs that shape society, I've heard different things about but it's apparently not too bad. You have to go into court at least once though, which I'm kinda iffy on
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haha yeah I'm having the same problem... wayyyyyy too many breadths to choose from. atm these are the ones I'm considering:
Principles of Business Law
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/BLAW10001
Introductory Microeconomics
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ECON10004
Accounting reports and analysis
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ACCT10001
Witches and witch hunting in Europe
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/HIST20025
Drugs that shape society
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/UNIB20008
Film genres and media hybrids
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/SCRN30002
Music Psychology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/MUSI20149
The unconscious mind
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/PSYC30012
Psychoanalysis and Social Theory
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/SOTH30004
Body, Mind and Medicine: A Dissection
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/UNIB20013
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Drugs that shape society is so bad, most of the science stuff is common sense, the other content is so dry and it makes me want to bash my head with a brick. Lectures aren't too bad but tutes are just a waste of time (but are compulsory so you have no choice). But you can go ahead and try, you might like it :P
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Yeah that was one of the things I heard but others said they liked it. I might steer clear though. Probably going to stick with the public health breadth unless something great comes up. Or I could end up with science again haha.
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Yeah that was one of the things I heard but others said they liked it. I might steer clear though. Probably going to stick with the public health breadth unless something great comes up. Or I could end up with science again haha.
Which Public Health breadth are you referring to? Its not the world diagnosis one, the others cant be used as breadth.
Does the level in any way correspond to the difficulty of the subject?
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Drugs that shape society is so bad, most of the science stuff is common sense, the other content is so dry and it makes me want to bash my head with a brick. Lectures aren't too bad but tutes are just a waste of time (but are compulsory so you have no choice). But you can go ahead and try, you might like it :P
Lol. I can handle dry because I have some kind of interest in the topic.
What is the assessment like?
Easy H1 so to speak?
I was reading a review and apparently 'Grammar of English' is an easy H1. Plus I already know half of it which is kind of a bonus.
Also Jean Mulder is meant to be pretty good.
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This was the breadth I referred to
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/UNIB30002
And yes, level refers to difficulty. If you want a frame of reference, level 1 is year 10, level 2 is year 11 and level 3 is year 12. The essays expected of you in year 12 are much more advanced that those expected of you in year 10
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Are you sure you want to do a science related breadth? You could check out some Arts subjects too, it can be nice to have a break from the bulk of your study with something completely different. Somebody I know and hate does Biomed but also takes a Literature track because it gives him a good break from all the science and maths.
Or maybe I'm just bullshitting around, haha, Arts subjects, those aren't real things.
Linguistics would be good to take, everyone I know who has taken it has really enjoyed it.
Alternatively, if you want an easy H1 do that ridiculous Education subject my friends did. One wrote an essay about their cat and what it means to them and she got a H1.
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Drugs that shape society is so bad, most of the science stuff is common sense, the other content is so dry and it makes me want to bash my head with a brick. Lectures aren't too bad but tutes are just a waste of time (but are compulsory so you have no choice). But you can go ahead and try, you might like it :P
Lol. I can handle dry because I have some kind of interest in the topic.
What is the assessment like?
Easy H1 so to speak?
I was reading a review and apparently 'Grammar of English' is an easy H1. Plus I already know half of it which is kind of a bonus.
Also Jean Mulder is meant to be pretty good.
I think the assignment was 25% and there's tute attendance and online quizzes worth 15% and the exam worth 60%. All very broad stuff, it's hard to know what they really want. Wasn't easy for me ;D
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You could check out some Arts subjects too, it can be nice to have a break from the bulk of your study with something completely different.
It's also nice when you only have 3 contact hours a subject. Oh god arts is amazing (also my timetable this semester is 12 hours, HAHAHAHHAHAHA)
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You could check out some Arts subjects too, it can be nice to have a break from the bulk of your study with something completely different.
It's also nice when you only have 3 contact hours a subject. Oh god arts is amazing (also my timetable this semester is 12 hours, HAHAHAHHAHAHA)
how?!? mine this semester is like 20+ o-o
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Because you're in 1st year and 1st year is always the worst year of your degree.
I have no pracs or tutes. God I love my major
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You could check out some Arts subjects too, it can be nice to have a break from the bulk of your study with something completely different.
It's also nice when you only have 3 contact hours a subject. Oh god arts is amazing (also my timetable this semester is 12 hours, HAHAHAHHAHAHA)
I'm doing two subjects per semester next year.
Actually I might overenroll into physics so three/two. But still.
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Two subjects in biomed still takes you to 12 hours ;)
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Because you're in 1st year and 1st year is always the worst year of your degree.
I have no pracs or tutes. God I love my major
What's your major? Somehow I've got 19 hours, the language takes up 5 hours haha
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Microbiology. Next semester will be a bit heavier but I'm easily under 20 so I'm really happy with it :D
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You could check out some Arts subjects too, it can be nice to have a break from the bulk of your study with something completely different.
It's also nice when you only have 3 contact hours a subject. Oh god arts is amazing (also my timetable this semester is 12 hours, HAHAHAHHAHAHA)
how?!? mine this semester is like 20+ o-o
Mmm vexx looking youre 1st year breadth I think you may have encouraged me to do LATIN A and B, since I always wanted to learn the basics and its not weighted as heavily as other years..
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You could check out some Arts subjects too, it can be nice to have a break from the bulk of your study with something completely different.
It's also nice when you only have 3 contact hours a subject. Oh god arts is amazing (also my timetable this semester is 12 hours, HAHAHAHHAHAHA)
how?!? mine this semester is like 20+ o-o
Mmm vexx looking youre 1st year breadth I think you may have encouraged me to do LATIN A and B, since I always wanted to learn the basics and its not weighted as heavily as other years..
I almost decided to do Latin, but I'm a little worried it will be hard to get a good mark in (I'm aiming for HD average this year); so I chose Spanish as it's one of the easiest languages to learn.. We have all of feb to get ahead in either though if you up for it.
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You could check out some Arts subjects too, it can be nice to have a break from the bulk of your study with something completely different.
It's also nice when you only have 3 contact hours a subject. Oh god arts is amazing (also my timetable this semester is 12 hours, HAHAHAHHAHAHA)
how?!? mine this semester is like 20+ o-o
Mmm vexx looking youre 1st year breadth I think you may have encouraged me to do LATIN A and B, since I always wanted to learn the basics and its not weighted as heavily as other years..
I almost decided to do Latin, but I'm a little worried it will be hard to get a good mark in (I'm aiming for HD average this year); so I chose Spanish as it's one of the easiest languages to learn.. We have all of feb to get ahead in either though if you up for it.
Yea I suppose, I wouldn't really know were to begin though, I almost decided to do Spanish for the same reason but I just find Latin more fascinating.
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You could check out some Arts subjects too, it can be nice to have a break from the bulk of your study with something completely different.
It's also nice when you only have 3 contact hours a subject. Oh god arts is amazing (also my timetable this semester is 12 hours, HAHAHAHHAHAHA)
how?!? mine this semester is like 20+ o-o
Mmm vexx looking youre 1st year breadth I think you may have encouraged me to do LATIN A and B, since I always wanted to learn the basics and its not weighted as heavily as other years..
I almost decided to do Latin, but I'm a little worried it will be hard to get a good mark in (I'm aiming for HD average this year); so I chose Spanish as it's one of the easiest languages to learn.. We have all of feb to get ahead in either though if you up for it.
Yea I suppose, I wouldn't really know were to begin though, I almost decided to do Spanish for the same reason but I just find Latin more fascinating.
/agreed, latin is fascinating, i've already done a little of it, and it's quite fun trying to decipher the text - so logical! but with spanish, you would just do the Michel Thomas foundation and advanced audio courses (they are really good to begin) which you can find online (without paying); and then start Assimil with ease Spanish, and after these you would have a solid grasp of Spanish which will make you ahead of the class throughout the year.
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You could check out some Arts subjects too, it can be nice to have a break from the bulk of your study with something completely different.
It's also nice when you only have 3 contact hours a subject. Oh god arts is amazing (also my timetable this semester is 12 hours, HAHAHAHHAHAHA)
how?!? mine this semester is like 20+ o-o
Mmm vexx looking youre 1st year breadth I think you may have encouraged me to do LATIN A and B, since I always wanted to learn the basics and its not weighted as heavily as other years..
I almost decided to do Latin, but I'm a little worried it will be hard to get a good mark in (I'm aiming for HD average this year); so I chose Spanish as it's one of the easiest languages to learn.. We have all of feb to get ahead in either though if you up for it.
Yea I suppose, I wouldn't really know were to begin though, I almost decided to do Spanish for the same reason but I just find Latin more fascinating.
/agreed, latin is fascinating, i've already done a little of it, and it's quite fun trying to decipher the text - so logical! but with spanish, you would just do the Michel Thomas foundation and advanced audio courses (they are really good to begin) which you can find online (without paying); and then start Assimil with ease Spanish, and after these you would have a solid grasp of Spanish which will make you ahead of the class throughout the year.
Im just putting in my preferences, Is it just me or is like every subject semester one, I wanted to do latin A in sem 1 then logic lang and info in 2 but there both for sem 1 so now im actually considering spanish ab, do you have links to the free courses, also once we enroll can we go back and alter our selections?
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Well almost all of the entrance level subjects to every field will be semester 1, since they're designed to be taken...well...when you enter. The subjects after those - e.g. Latin 1B - will be semester 2.
And yes, you can change your subjects well after you've enrolled.
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^ links to the free courses?? everything is in the handbook, but yeah some can only be done in semester 1, others semester 2.
why not enrol now and see? i've already enrolled since i got my letter, and yes you can alter it as many times as you want.. i believe you can change everything around up until the end of march (census date).
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^ links to the free courses?? everything is in the handbook, but yeah some can only be done in semester 1, others semester 2.
why not enrol now and see? i've already enrolled since i got my letter, and yes you can alter it as many times as you want.. i believe you can change everything around up until the end of march (census date).
I meant the Michel Thomas and Assimil courses lol
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^ links to the free courses?? everything is in the handbook, but yeah some can only be done in semester 1, others semester 2.
why not enrol now and see? i've already enrolled since i got my letter, and yes you can alter it as many times as you want.. i believe you can change everything around up until the end of march (census date).
I meant the Michel Thomas and Assimil courses lol
oh lol. well you will have to buy "Assmil with Ease Spanish" but you may find it cheap (ensure you get both the CDs and the book).. as for michel thomas which you'll start doing first anyways, you can find it here
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^ links to the free courses?? everything is in the handbook, but yeah some can only be done in semester 1, others semester 2.
why not enrol now and see? i've already enrolled since i got my letter, and yes you can alter it as many times as you want.. i believe you can change everything around up until the end of march (census date).
I meant the Michel Thomas and Assimil courses lol
oh lol. well you will have to buy "Assmil with Ease Spanish" but you may find it cheap (ensure you get both the CDs and the book).. as for michel thomas which you'll start doing first anyways, you can find it here
Ah, thanks, have you already started doing extensive prep?
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Anybody preparing for uni now is doing it wrong
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I started preparing for chem fundamentals, just working through page by page of a massive textbook lol, figures,
the assessment for Spanish "continuous aural, oral and written assessment 50% (2,000 words). final written examination of 2,000 words 50 % (2 hours).
This subject has the following hurdle requirements:
* Regular participation in tutorials is required with a minimum of 75% attendance.
* All pieces of written work must be submitted to pass this subject.
Assessment submitted late without an approved extension will be penalised at 10% per day and in-class tasks missed without approval will not be marked."
Writing a 2000 word essay seems steep considering I dont know how to say hello, wait is it hola?
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Anybody preparing for uni now is doing it wrong
To be fair, it's the last time any of them will do any preparation over summer, so let them attempt to put some effort in while they still can. :P
Though it's nigh on useless preparing for uni the way you do for vce. It's so much more intense and you don't have access to the resources you do in vce, which is why none of us bother to spend 30 hours on the holidays figuring out the first 2 weeks of lectures. ;)
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Ah, thanks, have you already started doing extensive prep?
nahh i haven't.. i will in feb to see if i like spanish and want to do it.
and the assessments, the 2000 words we will have our books and such, so its not going to be THAAT bad..
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Anybody preparing for uni now is doing it wrong
I must agree lol.
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OMG I AM TOTALLY GOING TO MISS TIMETABLING BECAUSE OF WAITING FOR SECOND ROUND.
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Mavis is it BSc or Biomed youre waiting for?
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Mavis is it BSc or Biomed youre waiting for?
Science, decided.
Letting Biomed slide off, I don't think I'll bother formally rejecting it.
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HELP:
I'm actually having so much trouble deciding breadth now! Since doing a language may be too much, and I'd want to do philosophy subjects for interest, but I'm a pretty poor writer and I wouldn't be able to do a closed-book written essay/exam in these subjects. Better that I'm writing an essay from home with resources and can get it checked and that, so avoiding them..
Now looking at Poetics of the Body subjects (includes like rethinking the body), or media&communication (like media&society)? Anyone know much about these or something else that a poor English student could get a potentially good score in?
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HELP:
I'm actually having so much trouble deciding breadth now! Since doing a language may be too much, and I'd want to do philosophy subjects for interest, but I'm a pretty poor writer and I wouldn't be able to do a closed-book written essay/exam in these subjects. Better that I'm writing an essay from home with resources and can get it checked and that, so avoiding them..
Now looking at Poetics of the Body subjects (includes like rethinking the body), or media&communication (like media&society)? Anyone know much about these or something else that a poor English student could get a potentially good score in?
How did you go in EL?
The linguistics subjects look very interesting and are something we are acquainted with. Also Dr Jean Mulder is renowned. And they have a good balance of analytical sciency stuff, but will also have some writing.
Overall, I think they are a good choice for me. I will probably be taking them this year, and depending on how I go, I may continue with them next year, or do some other breadth subjects otherwise.
Don't take something too hard or stuff you are completely unfamiliar with. It is all good for people to say 'try new stuff' and 'it will be boring doing science themed breadth', but at the end of the day, you want to get into a medical degree.
So doing subjects that will give you the best grades to achieve this is rather important.
Choose something that you will enjoy, but at them same time, try to ensure you can score relatively well in it.
Also, if you want to experiment, then do it in first year, as it is weighted less on your final GPA calculation.
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^ oooo
I did okay in EL, worse than what i was hoping for :( (unit 3 let me downnnn).. and it took me until the very end to learn how to do the essays which i was quite good at the end, except screwd up the exam one ha.. except unit 4 was always pretty good, hardly lost marks there. So I could probs do something in this area..
What subjects were you thinking of doing?
from that breadth track - Tte secret life of language for sem 1 (seems like a studyable exam perhaps) or phonetics (seems pretty dry and ROTE learning though)... and syntax (take home exam!!) for sem 2 seems pretty good.
EDIT, been searching through some breadth and i found https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/LING20011
not only is it level 2 with no prereqs so it wipes off our lv2/3 breadth requirement, but its very similar to what we've studied before in EL !!!! i think i'll do it.. i attached a copy of 2008 exam of the same subject, omg i could do most of it lawl
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Take home exams are way harder than you think they'll be.
Pick a cool breadth, I chose mine based on anything that looked interesting in first year. The philosophy subjects are pretty good, you don't need to be a genius writer as long as you can answer the question
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So which breadth subject is the easiest and requires the least amount of time?
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Is there sometimes problems with the portal subject thing? I'm trying to enrol into "grammar of english" as it says it has no prereqs in the handbook but i can't in the portal
"This subject has a Pre-requisite of 12.5 Credit Value in LING%, MULT10005, MULT10004, MULT10007, MULT10008, MULT10001, MULT10006, MULT10003, MULT10002, and Year Level = 1 that has not yet been met."
.. Which is clearly not true according to handbook.
How do i fix this and enrol for first semester?
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So which breadth subject is the easiest and requires the least amount of time?
Doing it wrong. lol
Is there sometimes problems with the portal subject thing? I'm trying to enrol into "grammar of english" as it says it has no prereqs in the handbook but i can't in the portal
"This subject has a Pre-requisite of 12.5 Credit Value in LING%, MULT10005, MULT10004, MULT10007, MULT10008, MULT10001, MULT10006, MULT10003, MULT10002, and Year Level = 1 that has not yet been met."
.. Which is clearly not true according to handbook.
How do i fix this and enrol for first semester?
Which course code did you use?
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^ I added in LING20011 Grammar of English, tried it for both the breadth lv1-3 and the breadth 2-3 and it works in neither.
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/LING20011
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Administrative bungle. Just tell the student centre next time you go in (NOT Academic Advice Day!) and they'll override it.
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Administrative bungle. Just tell the student centre next time you go in (NOT Academic Advice Day!) and they'll override it.
I'm going away, so I'll call up next week. I'm assuming they can do it over the phone.. cheers
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Don't know if they'd change anything without your student card/ID, but maybe they would since it's not such a big deal. You've got weeks to do it, anyway. :)
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Don't know if they'd change anything without your student card/ID, but maybe they would since it's not such a big deal. You've got weeks to do it, anyway. :)
yeah i know but wanting to get a good timetable !!
just decided to squish in my breadth this year so it wont affect my GPA as much in the later years which count more.
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Mmm...just remember that your average is calculated based on the subject's level, not what year you do them in.
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Mmm...just remember that your average is calculated based on the subject's level, not what year you do them in.
not for medicine, it's counted in the year you did it.
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/UNIB20007 from what people said in the first page, it seems pretty basic o-o maybe i will do it in second year. im assuming it's like a basic science?
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So which breadth subject is the easiest and requires the least amount of time?
Doing it wrong. lol
Is there sometimes problems with the portal subject thing? I'm trying to enrol into "grammar of english" as it says it has no prereqs in the handbook but i can't in the portal
"This subject has a Pre-requisite of 12.5 Credit Value in LING%, MULT10005, MULT10004, MULT10007, MULT10008, MULT10001, MULT10006, MULT10003, MULT10002, and Year Level = 1 that has not yet been met."
.. Which is clearly not true according to handbook.
How do i fix this and enrol for first semester?
Which course code did you use?
what? why is it wrong?
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Mmm...just remember that your average is calculated based on the subject's level, not what year you do them in.
not for medicine, it's counted in the year you did it.
Really? Typical medicine, can't do anything normally, lol.
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Thus far, it's been based on the year completed. Because this leads to people stacking their 3rd year with 1st year units, the universities are currently in the process of revising the GPA calculation process. A lot of people seem to think that they'll be altering it to level of subject rather than year of study but nobody knows for sure.
And genetics health society is an interesting subject (I loved it). The first 3 weeks are basic genetics (plus some new, advanced stuff simplified) and will be easy for science students/tough for arts students. The rest of the subject is legal/ethical etc. perspectives on genetics. There's even a "genetics in art" lecture sequence that is universally ignored by the students haha.
edit,
i would actually keep breadth options open. don't do them all this year, because I can guarantee you that doing 4 science subjects in 2nd/3rd year is painful. In 2nd year I took creative writing, which isn't particularly study intensive during semester - I got to focus on my 2 subjects rather than juggling an extra one.
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hmm, i'd definitely consider it if it was in semester 2.. ergh it sounds like a good breadth to do !
this is what the linguistics enhancement studies do which they say is very similar to EL
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/LING10001
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/LING10002
so perhaps this year
sem1: grammar of english (or secret life of language), creative writing
sem2: intercultural communication, syntax (or short fiction)
edit, next year i'll do the two psych subjects as my breadth (eek, i'll have so many contact hours..) and well psych is level 1 and wont be that sciency/bad for year 2. and then in year 3 i only do 3 subjects per semester so that seems fine. i think i will take my chances on doing well in the sciences moreso than these artsy ones, illl just study quite a bit next year.
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if you want to stack your GPA, you want to do more subjects later not less
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if you want to stack your GPA, you want to do more subjects later not less
what do you mean? if i'm doing 6 subjects in my final year, it's more time to concentrate on them, which are weighted 3 times; so more likely to do better.
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True, but you're only doing six subject so it'll pull it up less than eight subjects. I guess it's half a dozen of one/six of the other
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hmmm, well i haven't completely decided what i'm doing yet... i just have ideas!
oh & also, is this another bug with the study planner
for "Option for BS-SCI&BREADTH Science and Breadth" so the electives/breadth; the handbook says that it can science subjects lv1-3, but on the planner it has "Choose your Level 2-3 Science and / or Breadth Subjects", and won't let me add level 1 science subjects..?
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Vexx, what happened to Spanish haha? Im still thinking about latin A,would you figure chem, bio, physics and lote (latin) in sem one be an overload?
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Mmm...just remember that your average is calculated based on the subject's level, not what year you do them in.
not for medicine, it's counted in the year you did it.
Really? Typical medicine, can't do anything normally, lol.
Would the GPA review influence the approach med admissions take? Either way it would be best to conserve breadth I suppose.
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The GPA review is being carried out specifically for med admission, if they decided to make changes it will be just for med
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The GPA review is being carried out specifically for med admission, if they decided to make changes it will be just for med
So in anticipation of this what would be best, save most breadth, bc I have in first yr 2 chem 2 bio 1 physics, and still not having chosen my major there arent any prereqs for any I can fill in 1st yr, so I have 3 subjects left to fill.
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There's no information on what changes (if any) will be made. Just do 1 breadth per semester as normal
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Vexx, what happened to Spanish haha? Im still thinking about latin A,would you figure chem, bio, physics and lote (latin) in sem one be an overload?
haha nahh too risky and too much work required (like extra work and throughout feb to get ahead), so just going with linguistics subjects instead since i find it interesting and it's not that hard to do well :)
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Vexx, what happened to Spanish haha? Im still thinking about latin A,would you figure chem, bio, physics and lote (latin) in sem one be an overload?
haha nahh too risky and too much work required (like extra work and throughout feb to get ahead), so just going with linguistics subjects instead since i find it interesting and it's not that hard to do well :)
hahaha. i knew i would get you on board!
now i just have to decide which ones to do, as there are so many!!!
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Vexx, what happened to Spanish haha? Im still thinking about latin A,would you figure chem, bio, physics and lote (latin) in sem one be an overload?
haha nahh too risky and too much work required (like extra work and throughout feb to get ahead), so just going with linguistics subjects instead since i find it interesting and it's not that hard to do well :)
hahaha. i knew i would get you on board!
now i just have to decide which ones to do, as there are so many!!!
do 'the secret life of language' ! it's all problem-solving (no essays) and very similar to EL, similar with 'intercultural communication' - it's what the linguistics enhancements do, and say its the same as EL !! So will be doing :)
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^ yeah, that is what I was thinking too.
I'll most likely do that and Grammar of English this year, and see how they go.
Next year I could continue with it, or maybe do some unibreadth subjects. :)
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Just noticed this: https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/AGRI10041
Wine tasting in a breadth subject! Could get messy..
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Heaps of my friends have done that. You basically camp up at dookie for a week and learn about wine. There's a practical (tasting) exam, followed immediately by a theory exam. Of course most people don't spit the wine out at the practical exam, so they're a bit on the tipsy side for the theory exam. :P
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It's the subject with the highest failure rate apparently, because you get everyone going just for the wine tasting
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Haha. I'd definitely fail if I did it.
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OMG I AM TOTALLY GOING TO MISS TIMETABLING BECAUSE OF WAITING FOR SECOND ROUND.
What's the deadline?
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Hasn't opened yet, opens 31st Jan.
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So how will second rounders miss it?
is it only open for a few days?
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well once it opens, everyone attempts to get into the classes they want so if you're starting later then they might already be filled
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ah fair enough.
thank you
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OMG I AM TOTALLY GOING TO MISS TIMETABLING BECAUSE OF WAITING FOR SECOND ROUND.
What's the deadline?
You'd hope to solve all timetabling issues by the first day of semester 1 but for some people, though clashes and whatnot, it's a real pain in the backside.
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Who cares about the deadline it's the opening you want.
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Just noticed this: https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/AGRI10041
Wine tasting in a breadth subject! Could get messy..
If you do this in a CSP place its basically government sponsored drinking... ;D
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Oh god I'm so confused!
There are sooo many breadth options!
Will we find out everything tomorrow??
No. lol
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Any Unimelb students have any experience with, or heard anything about this subject (and the ones listed at the bottom of the page)? : https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/UNIB20013
Pretty sure I'm going to do them; they look really interesting to me.
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Oh god I'm so confused!
There are sooo many breadth options!
Will we find out everything tomorrow??
I wish
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Any Unimelb students have any experience with, or heard anything about this subject (and the ones listed at the bottom of the page)? : https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/UNIB20013
Pretty sure I'm going to do them; they look really interesting to me.
I planning on doing global diagnosis sometime in the future
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Are you kidding, tomorrow will inform you of nothing.
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Can someone explain the 'timetabling' concept I have no idea..
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When the system opens, you tick all the class times you want out of a list of available times. If there is still space in the class, it will let you tick it. If the class is full, it won't let you tick it and you'll have to tick another one.
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When the system opens, you tick all the class times you want out of a list of available times. If there is still space in the class, it will let you tick it. If the class is full, it won't let you tick it and you'll have to tick another one.
I see, when does the system open?
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This has been answered thirty times in the last few days on this forum.
Hasn't opened yet, opens 31st Jan.
When will we know our timetables?
Do we get to choose our lecture times and stuff?
and how many days a week does a typical student attend uni?
On the 31 January starting at 10 am, you will be able to construct your entire timetable on the student portal. You can either create it from scratch or let the system "try" to create a class-free timetable for you and then you can move things around. You will be able to choose everything - lectures, tutes, labs and seminars (if applicable) based on the times they are offered.
How many days a week a student attends uni depends on the course they are doing. Arts and Commerce students may be able to get days off but biomed and science students on the other hand will be extremely lucky in first year.
P.S. I don't think biomed students can have a day off in first year based on their contact hours... But I'm not sure. Russ will be able to inform you.
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I dont suppose there's a generator for 1 pm onwards lol?
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My friend was doing commerce and went to uni two days a week.
And I went three days a week and on two of those days my classes began after 2:15. The Monday was only early because Professional Writing wasn't recorded and had one lecture at 12pm with no repeats.
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My friend was doing commerce and went to uni two days a week.
And I went three days a week and on two of those days my classes began after 2:15. The Monday was only early because Professional Writing wasn't recorded and had one lecture at 12pm with no repeats.
Two days? that sounds awesome.
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Sounds shit to me. Anything less than 4 days would suck.
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keeping fridays clear for thursday night uni boozing and trying to keep wednesdays clear :P
It's so cute that you think you're going to have time for constant uni boozing.
Before like two weeks ago the last time I had been out to a bar/club was winter recess.
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keeping fridays clear for thursday night uni boozing and trying to keep wednesdays clear :P
It's so cute that you think you're going to have time for constant uni boozing.
Before like two weeks ago the last time I had been out to a bar/club was winter recess.
Lots of people have time for it.
It's good to have class on Wednesday mornings, but Wednesday afternoons are great to have off. Also nothing that requires memory after lunch on a Tuesday (I had Japanese seminars at that time last semester - eek!)
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keeping fridays clear for thursday night uni boozing and trying to keep wednesdays clear :P
It's so cute that you think you're going to have time for constant uni boozing.
Before like two weeks ago the last time I had been out to a bar/club was winter recess.
Lots of people have time for it.
Well hopefully I will this year :)
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I'm sure you can find some. :P
Which clubs and societies are you with, out of curiosity?
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I was with Arts Students Society and then Photog (they party hard) because I didn't have any money besides that the day I was signing up at O-week and then I couldn't be bothered signing up after that.
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Arts, eh? Did you do prosh with the Arts Spoons?
EDIT: Actually, given that you say you had no time to party, I'm guessing that's a no. :P
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I did no prosh other than looking snobby when naked people appeared in Carillo Gantner.
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Everybody starting biomedicine will have no time to party, you'll be too busy freaking out and spending 5 hours a day in classes (5 days a week of course) only to come out and have to start revision.
That is all.
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I tried enrolling for Chinese 1A for breadth and it doesn't let me tick the box :S
It comes up with: "Enrolment is not allowed because the non-study package requisite conditions for CHIN10005/1/1 have not been satisfied."
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I tried enrolling for Chinese 1A for breadth and it doesn't let me tick the box :S
It comes up with: "Enrolment is not allowed because the non-study package requisite conditions for CHIN10005/1/1 have not been satisfied."
Having a similar problem trying to enrol into my breadth subject, Introductory Microeconomics (ECON10004).
I keep getting this message:
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/432/welcometoyourstudentpor.png)
Re Point One: I'm assumung this message is coming up due to the fact i did English Language; the handbook (https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ECON10004) states that the English requirement can be fulfilled via any VCE English.
Re Point Two: The handbook and even the guy at the info session today both make mention of these subjects being availiable as breadth outside B-COMM.
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There are plenty of problems with the ISIS system. I couldn't enrol in core subjects for my major because ISIS is shit.
Email the subject coordinator for introductory micro and say that the IT system isn't allowing you to enrol. Describe the problem, attach the photo and state that you meet the criteria. Then wait, whilst they get the IT department to fix it.
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There are plenty of problems with the ISIS system. I couldn't enrol in core subjects for my major because ISIS is shit.
Email the subject coordinator for introductory micro and say that the IT system isn't allowing you to enrol. Describe the problem, attach the photo and state that you meet the criteria. Then wait, whilst they get the IT department to fix it.
Will do, thanks
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I tried enrolling for Chinese 1A for breadth and it doesn't let me tick the box :S
It comes up with: "Enrolment is not allowed because the non-study package requisite conditions for CHIN10005/1/1 have not been satisfied."
think u have to do an interview first so they can determine which class to put u in. this is probably to stop all the asians getting easy marks in the beginners chinese class.
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Being a first year student, can I enrol into a second year breadth subject? The system isn't letting me add to my plan AND I couldn't reach anyone at AAD because others bombarded people with their own questions. Ai yaaaa.
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Being a first year student, can I enrol into a second year breadth subject? The system isn't letting me add to my plan AND I couldn't reach anyone at AAD because others bombarded people with their own questions. Ai yaaaa.
Yes, providing there are no prerequisites, this also follows 3rd yr subjects, however levels also match difficulty so keep that in mind when choosing
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Does anyone know of a good isolated science subject for second semester (first yr)?
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ESD2?
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One of the selective prereqs for various majors, depending on how confident you feel with your abilities
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I tried enrolling for Chinese 1A for breadth and it doesn't let me tick the box :S
It comes up with: "Enrolment is not allowed because the non-study package requisite conditions for CHIN10005/1/1 have not been satisfied."
I also enrolled in it and had problems but got it sorted at Eastern Precinct recently. I've emailed the coordinator who confirmed there aren't prerequisites for this subject but there will be a placement test
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I tried enrolling for Chinese 1A for breadth and it doesn't let me tick the box :S
It comes up with: "Enrolment is not allowed because the non-study package requisite conditions for CHIN10005/1/1 have not been satisfied."
I also enrolled in it and had problems but got it sorted at Eastern Precinct recently. I've emailed the coordinator who confirmed there aren't prerequisites for this subject but there will be a placement test
Thanks Edmund :) since i'm doing commerce, i guess i'll go to the commerce centre?
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One of the selective prereqs for various majors, depending on how confident you feel with your abilities
Cant, dont fulfill the prereqs for any
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I tried enrolling for Chinese 1A for breadth and it doesn't let me tick the box :S
It comes up with: "Enrolment is not allowed because the non-study package requisite conditions for CHIN10005/1/1 have not been satisfied."
I also enrolled in it and had problems but got it sorted at Eastern Precinct recently. I've emailed the coordinator who confirmed there aren't prerequisites for this subject but there will be a placement test
Thanks Edmund :) since i'm doing commerce, i guess i'll go to the commerce centre?
I guess so... Although it's an Arts subject, they got it sorted out at the Science end so that should be ok
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Do we need to pick our semester 2 breadth subject now as well?
Enrolled in 'The Secret Life of Language' for semester 1. :)
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Do we need to pick our semester 2 breadth subject now as well?
Enrolled in 'The Secret Life of Language' for semester 1. :)
Think so
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Do we need to pick our semester 2 breadth subject now as well?
Enrolled in 'The Secret Life of Language' for semester 1. :)
oo, see you there ;)
We can change our semester 2 subjects until the end of August - so much time heh.
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Say vexx, why 4 breadth this year?
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Do we need to pick our semester 2 breadth subject now as well?
Enrolled in 'The Secret Life of Language' for semester 1. :)
oo, see you there ;)
We can change our semester 2 subjects until the end of August - so much time heh.
Haha mad! I swear the linguistics lecture was like the only good one.
The presenter was pro. Did anyone hear those words from indigenous languages just roll off her tongue!
For semester 2, I am unsure of whether to take 'Intercultural Communication' or 'Grammar of English'. I wouldn't mind taking the latter and quickly getting rid of the level 2 subject. But there is still time to think about it.
As for UniBreadth subjects, IMHO, I think the best ones for biomed people look to be 'Genetics, Health, and Society', 'Body, Mind and Medicine: A Dissection' and 'Seeing: The Whole Picture'.
Will definitely consider doing some of them next year. These are level 2 anyway so they take care of the requirement.
Anyway, I am officially like 7% of an Arts student. :P
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The way she spoke was incredible!
I am heavily considering some linguistics however I'm a little scared as I've only done English at VCE and I'm afraid I might struggle a little...
If I don't do a linguistics subject I reckon I'll just go with 2 of the medical sequence subjects this year.
Also, Seeing: The whole picture was pretty awesome!
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The way she spoke was incredible!
I am heavily considering some linguistics however I'm a little scared as I've only done English at VCE and I'm afraid I might struggle a little...
If I don't do a linguistics subject I reckon I'll just go with 2 of the medical sequence subjects this year.
Also, Seeing: The whole picture was pretty awesome!
You will be fine. It really shouldn't be hard to pick up at all.
Were you at the first Linguistics lecture at 12.30?
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Yep, Running around like crazy trying to squeeze into heaps of lectures, I was like a minute late 8-)
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Did anyone go to "Medical sequence: An Ecological History of Humanity, Body Mind & Medicine, Living Longer" session? After about 2 minutes I immediately crossed of the ecological one + living longer. Climate change in a medical sequence....really ???
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Yep, Running around like crazy trying to squeeze into heaps of lectures, I was like a minute late 8-)
Did you stay at the end when everyone asked her questions?
And yeah, I tried to go to a lot, but deep down I always knew that I would do linguistics. :P I am not massively keen in entering uncharted territory at this stage. Don't get me wrong, Criminology for example seems fascinating, but also subjective and the type of thing that would require copious amounts of reading and knowledge of various case studies, as well as well structured essays.
Would rather just do something where the answers are more concrete and I have some basic knowledge under my belt.
Did anyone go to "Medical sequence: An Ecological History of Humanity, Body Mind & Medicine, Living Longer" session? After about 2 minutes I immediately crossed of the ecological one + living longer. Climate change in a medical sequence....really ???
Yeah man! I was at the first one. I didn't get to see you. :(
Walked in late also haha.
Parts of it seem interesting, but thb, the assessment seems rather shonky.
e.g. A weekly online blog. Not big on this stuff.
I prefer the old school assignments and exam method.
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haha I actually think I saw you stonecold. I was in the first session too, I wanted to walk out though but thought it'd be too awkward haha. Were you wearing grey and walked in with another guy with red hair? Cos that's the only person I saw that slightly resembles your fb photo. I was in the middle of the theatre wearing a flanny. P.s. I'm pretty sure I saw loppol like 5+ times when I was walking around haha. But I don't he knew I was a VNer.... :D
haha yeah I don't get the online blog and yet it counts 30% WTF. The lecturer for body mind and medicine was cool and left me somewhat interested, but when the guy in green mentioned stuff like "irrigation" and "climate change" I wanted out haha.
I think I'm doing accounting/principles of business law for breadth, those lectures were great.
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Yep, Running around like crazy trying to squeeze into heaps of lectures, I was like a minute late 8-)
Did you stay at the end when everyone asked her questions?
I left when the flood of people began to leave to go to the second medical sequence lecture.
I didn't have time to ask questions then, but I did send them an email before outlining my concerns etc.
I'm particularly drawn to the practicality of some linguistics skills when I'm *hopefully* practicing a health science in more diverse (in terms of language) regions of the world where perhaps English skills are on a completely different level.
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The thing that turned me off the most was the 20% for group work. Seems pretty risky..
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Heaps of subjects have group work components. Everything with a workshop definitely does. It's just one of those things where you have to suck it up and realise that in the real world you'll be judged on team performances, not just your own.
20% is hardly anything, anyway.
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Yeah, but this isn't "the real world" yet - it's trying to get into med, and every bit counts to me..
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Then do the whole assignment yourself and coordinate with the group? That's what everybody who wants to do well does.
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Was thinking that would be the case. I've just read a few warnings on mso about group work affecting your gpa, so I'm a bit weary..
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Say vexx, why 4 breadth this year?
Because for medicine the year you complete a subject is what matters and so first year counts the least - wouldn't want to destroy my GPA so doing it first year since I'm not sure how I will do.
It'll be an interesting year ;)
Haha mad! I swear the linguistics lecture was like the only good one.
The presenter was pro. Did anyone hear those words from indigenous languages just roll off her tongue!
For semester 2, I am unsure of whether to take 'Intercultural Communication' or 'Grammar of English'. I wouldn't mind taking the latter and quickly getting rid of the level 2 subject. But there is still time to think about it.
As for UniBreadth subjects, IMHO, I think the best ones for biomed people look to be 'Genetics, Health, and Society', 'Body, Mind and Medicine: A Dissection' and 'Seeing: The Whole Picture'.
Will definitely consider doing some of them next year. These are level 2 anyway so they take care of the requirement.
Anyway, I am officially like 7% of an Arts student. :P
Pretty sure that Grammar of English is semester 1 only otherwise I'd do it over 'syntax', but yeah go intercultural communication as it, like the secret life, is very similar to EL which is nice - you'll smash both!
and the genetics one seems like a good choice as Russ has said all that stuff, and I think the 'seeing' subject seems good as too.
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Say vexx, why 4 breadth this year?
Because for medicine the year you complete a subject is what matters and so first year counts the least - wouldn't want to destroy my GPA so doing it first year since I'm not sure how I will do.
It'll be an interesting year ;)
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I would figure breadth would be generally be easier that some of the other sciences
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Yep, Running around like crazy trying to squeeze into heaps of lectures, I was like a minute late 8-)
Did you stay at the end when everyone asked her questions?
I left when the flood of people began to leave to go to the second medical sequence lecture.
I didn't have time to ask questions then, but I did send them an email before outlining my concerns etc.
I'm particularly drawn to the practicality of some linguistics skills when I'm *hopefully* practicing a health science in more diverse (in terms of language) regions of the world where perhaps English skills are on a completely different level.
Yeah, if you take the linguistics one it will certainly help. I am really looking to hone in on my english skills, so I will probably be doing the more English orientated stuff.
But yeah, it will improve your writing and communication skills, and really teaches you a lot of the mechanics of how conversations work. This probably allows you to make more informed judgements of what exactly your fellow interlocutor(s) is/are seeking from the exchange. :)
haha I actually think I saw you stonecold. I was in the first session too, I wanted to walk out though but thought it'd be too awkward haha. Were you wearing grey and walked in with another guy with red hair? Cos that's the only person I saw that slightly resembles your fb photo. I was in the middle of the theatre wearing a flanny. P.s. I'm pretty I saw loppol like 5+ times when I was walking around haha. But I don't he knew I was a VNer.... :D
haha yeah I don't get the online blog and yet it counts 30% WTF. The lecturer for body mind and medicine was cool and left me somewhat interested, but when the guy in green mentioned stuff like "irrigation" and "climate change" I wanted out haha.
I think I'm doing accounting/principles of business law for breadth, those lectures were great.
Yep!!! That was me. :P It is soo much easier to spot people from inside the theater. I didn't catch you. There are so many people on here dammit. I am all for ninwa's badge idea (except for the part where we all wear gay badges lol) so I can know if someone is from here.
And yeah, lololol andrewloppol! You can spot him from miles away. I was so confident it was him, that I just went up haha. Also saw a few others which was good.
And yes, some parts of that lecture I just did not get. The pommy guy was cool. Green shirt dude was meh.
You know that semi fat lecturer guy who was at the edge of the theater, did he look like Cameron from Modern Family or what!!!
I was so distracted by him lol.
Say vexx, why 4 breadth this year?
Because for medicine the year you complete a subject is what matters and so first year counts the least - wouldn't want to destroy my GPA so doing it first year since I'm not sure how I will do.
It'll be an interesting year ;)
Haha mad! I swear the linguistics lecture was like the only good one.
The presenter was pro. Did anyone hear those words from indigenous languages just roll off her tongue!
For semester 2, I am unsure of whether to take 'Intercultural Communication' or 'Grammar of English'. I wouldn't mind taking the latter and quickly getting rid of the level 2 subject. But there is still time to think about it.
As for UniBreadth subjects, IMHO, I think the best ones for biomed people look to be 'Genetics, Health, and Society', 'Body, Mind and Medicine: A Dissection' and 'Seeing: The Whole Picture'.
Will definitely consider doing some of them next year. These are level 2 anyway so they take care of the requirement.
Anyway, I am officially like 7% of an Arts student. :P
Pretty sure that Grammar of English is semester 1 only otherwise I'd do it over 'syntax', but yeah go intercultural communication as it, like the secret life, is very similar to EL which is nice - you'll smash both!
and the genetics one seems like a good choice as Russ has said all that stuff, and I think the 'seeing' subject seems good as too.
Yeah, I will probably do that then. But still loads of time so no need to worry. I went to the German lecture out of interest, and OMG, that guy was so funny! He nearly had me on board haha. It was also funny when he was bagging out VCE German and saying it was crap, and that they have to unteach you some of it lol. Really honest guy, and he had the authentic accent to match, which is definitely a must!
And yeah, seeing as you have already done chem and can get credit, I would definitely take more breadth this year and get them out of the way. Good move.
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I really considering doing this lv 3 PSYC30020 (512-309) Psychology of Sleep and Emotions
Looks very interesting
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I really considering doing this lv 3 PSYC30020 (512-309) Psychology of Sleep and Emotions
Looks very interesting
Can you do that as a science breadth? It looks interesting to me too.
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haha I was like 50/50 on whether it was you or not. But yeah, loppol was the first VNer I spotted (pretty easily too haha) and then he seemed to just pop up everywhere I went haha. Considering you were the guy in the grey, I actually right walked past you when you were heading out towards grattan street later in the day (with loppol if I recall correctly? Once again, he popped up haha), I was going towards the biomed library.. I was like there's the guy who could possibly be stonecold haha. Didn't wanna say anything cos if it wasn't you that'd be the most awkward situation :P
hahaha And yes, that guy looked EXACTLY like cameron off modern family! I knew he looked familiar haha. What is it with all these modern family lookalikes?! They're everywhere haha.
I agree, pommy was cool, he gave off a good vibe. But still, I think accounting has won me over for first year :D
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I really considering doing this lv 3 PSYC30020 (512-309) Psychology of Sleep and Emotions
Looks very interesting
Can you do that as a science breadth? It looks interesting to me too.
+ 1. But biomed students get deprived of good psych subjects :(
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I tried enrolling for Chinese 1A for breadth and it doesn't let me tick the box :S
It comes up with: "Enrolment is not allowed because the non-study package requisite conditions for CHIN10005/1/1 have not been satisfied."
Having a similar problem trying to enrol into my breadth subject, Introductory Microeconomics (ECON10004).
I keep getting this message:
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/432/welcometoyourstudentpor.png)
Re Point One: I'm assumung this message is coming up due to the fact i did English Language; the handbook (https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ECON10004) states that the English requirement can be fulfilled via any VCE English.
Re Point Two: The handbook and even the guy at the info session today both make mention of these subjects being availiable as breadth outside B-COMM.
I get this error too. :(
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I really considering doing this lv 3 PSYC30020 (512-309) Psychology of Sleep and Emotions
Looks very interesting
Can you do that as a science breadth? It looks interesting to me too.
nah we cant do it as breadth, nevertheless
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Yeah, I will probably do that then. But still loads of time so no need to worry. I went to the German lecture out of interest, and OMG, that guy was so funny! He nearly had me on board haha. It was also funny when he was bagging out VCE German and saying it was crap, and that they have to unteach you some of it lol. Really honest guy, and he had the authentic accent to match, which is definitely a must!
And yeah, seeing as you have already done chem and can get credit, I would definitely take more breadth this year and get them out of the way. Good move.
Haha awesome - why not do it;) A language would be fun! but too much work to get an awesome score though.. yay for VCE being shit !
ahhh ok need opinions on breadth (from anyone):
either Creative writing or Genetics, health&society
- Will probably enjoy creative writing more as i like writing, but may not do very well.. and I can always write in my own time - but this will help me get better! Since GPA is important genetics may be more sensible to do except I haven't done any Bio since grade 11 and probably wont cover too much similar genetics stuff doing the first bio subject alongside, so is it worth doing? will it still be easy for me?
ahh only till end of week!
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If you want to boost your GPA as high as possible, save GHS until 2nd year because for a science student it's not particularly hard to get an H1 in. Also, if you haven't done bio for a while, you lose the edge that allows you to sit out the first month of lectures.
Do creative writing this year, it's good fun and nobody is expecting miracles of you.
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I spoke to so many first years yesterday that I'm convinced none of you know how to read a map
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APPROACH ME, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
YOU NEED SOCIAL SKILLS TO BE DOCTORS ANYWAY :p.
Let the rant begin
haha I'll go up to you in O week then! I didn't think you'd know me on VN though, so I didn't say anything.
There's so many VNers in biomed though! Me + stonecold + loppol + cameron_15 + mandy + stroodle + supernerd + fady + others that I can't think of right now, but I'm sure there's more!
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hey for a bachelor of arts for breadth could i do australian indigenous studies and democracy? theres a note saying arts students cannot take these for breadth, except yesterday the politics lady recommended them. thanks.
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yeah thats odd, because im sure i heard more lecturers also yesterday saying do democracy. if i can do indigenous studies, do you know any other humanity-based breadth available for bachelor of arts?
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If you're an Arts student you definitely can't do Democracy as breadth, it's part of IDF.
If you want humanities based breadth, check all the UNIB subject codes, there are a large amount there with humanities incorporated into them
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yeh im getting idf mixed up with breadth, its so confusing if your lazy like me
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Alright its down to 2, either CWRI20002 (106-202) Short Fiction or PSYC30020 (512-309) Psychology of Sleep and Emotions to fill out to question mark
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Alright its down to 2, either CWRI20002 (106-202) Short Fiction or PSYC30020 (512-309) Psychology of Sleep and Emotions to fill out to question mark
Isn't that Psychology a Level 3 subject? There are recommended subjects you know...
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If you want to boost your GPA as high as possible, save GHS until 2nd year because for a science student it's not particularly hard to get an H1 in. Also, if you haven't done bio for a while, you lose the edge that allows you to sit out the first month of lectures.
Do creative writing this year, it's good fun and nobody is expecting miracles of you.
hmm ok I may do this but if I don't.. what would you do creative writing or GHS - I can only do one!!
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I can't answer that for you, especially because I did both subjects (and why can't you do GHS next year?).
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Yeah Dem. is an idf.
I'd also like to quietly apologise for the spamming that was instigated by my friends last night as they find my participation in this forum absolutely hilarious.
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I can't answer that for you, especially because I did both subjects (and why can't you do GHS next year?).
ahah fair enough, thanks anyway.
Well I've already organised my subjects and they may not fit if I add in another elective/breadth as I'm doing the two pysch subjects next year.. heh, so confused with GPA still, so I may just get exemption for my one of my two chem subjects (the one i didnt get HD for) and then do an extra subject like the genetics one in third year to boost up my GPA.. hmmm
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Make sure the biomed staff state whether 1 semester of chem is sufficient to qualify...got a feeling you're going to have to credit both of them
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Can anyone sum up the lingustics lecture? Didn't have time to go to it.
Also, i'm trying to enroll into the breadth subject "ANCW30011 (670-378) Underworld and Afterlife" and on the handbook, it says there are no prerequisites. However, when i try to enroll, it says:
"This subject has a Pre-requisite of 1 Spk(s) in ANCW%, and Year Level = 2 that has not yet been met."
What does the first prerequisites mean, and can i only take this past year 1?
Does this mean i can't take it? (even though the handbook doesn't mention any of these)
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Make sure the biomed staff state whether 1 semester of chem is sufficient to qualify...got a feeling you're going to have to credit both of them
haha yeah i didn't think so.. annoying that ACER can't tell me anything since its "under review" :(
i'll just go to the lectures of both genetics & creative writing and see what i prefer after a few weeks!
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It's because the new ISIS computer system is shit and believes that there are prerequisites that don't exist. Read the last couple of pages, the same problem has been experienced by other people along with my post of what you have to do.
e, ACER can't tell you anything, they're not doing the review, the unis are.
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Depending on what course you're doing there should be a form you call fill out and submit to try and enroll in that subject and they will process it manually and admit you (within like ten years).
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Generally they do it on the spot.
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Depending on what course you're doing there should be a form you call fill out and submit to try and enroll in that subject and they will process it manually and admit you (within like ten years).
Is that in regards to my question or someone elses?
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Alright its down to 2, either CWRI20002 (106-202) Short Fiction or PSYC30020 (512-309) Psychology of Sleep and Emotions to fill out to question mark
Isn't that Psychology a Level 3 subject? There are recommended subjects you know...
Yea I know but the topics seem isolated,
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We've already given the advice "don't do it", it's up to him now
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Alright its down to 2, either CWRI20002 (106-202) Short Fiction or PSYC30020 (512-309) Psychology of Sleep and Emotions to fill out to question mark
Isn't that Psychology a Level 3 subject? There are recommended subjects you know...
Yea I know but the topics seem isolated,
Yes, but the subject still draws on basic psychological knowledge. When the handbook entry says recommended, I'd trust them. I see you are not planning to do the first year Psych subjects and you will struggle without having done these subjects. Unless you can prove us wrong :P
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hey i'm trying to choose a breadth subject for semester 1, most of the subjects that look interesting are level 3. Are level 3 subjects the hardest??
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Yes. Level 3 means third year. There are very few third year subjects that you won't completely fail without previous knowledge and most of them are only third year so people who run into cul-de-sacs can satisfy breadth requirements (e.g. wine tasting).
Don't pay any attention to your instinct of what sounds interesting or not when reading subject descriptions. They give no indication of how interesting a subject will be at all: they really only serve to inform you of what topics will be covered for equivalence purposes and to say "ah, when I finish calc 2, I'll have learnt the calculus I need for electromagnetism." The only thing you should pay any attention to when figuring out whether a subject will be interesting or not is the subject area. Don't worry about whether "digital systems design" will be interesting, for example: worry about whether electrical engineering will be interesting.
Also just about every third year subject has first year subjects in the same field. If you like the look of a third year physics subject, take first year physics. If you like the look of a third year psych subject, take first year psych.
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Yeah, by the sounds of it, I would try and avoid level 3 for breadth. Just stick to level 1 and 2 maybe.
And my semester 1 is 21 contact hours. Not bad I guess.
I managed to cram 17hrs15mins of VCE classes into 3 days, (could have been 2 if I wanted to).
Why can I not do this for Biomed and at least get a day off? :P
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Anyone gonna do african drum and dance?
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Heaps of my mates have done that. It's awesome. ;D
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Anyone gonna do african drum and dance?
Only 2 hours a week contact time, and it's a pass/fail subject.
I wanna do it. :)
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yeah looks like easiest one.
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Anyone done:
UNIB20013 (800-275) Body, Mind and Medicine: A Dissection
or
UNIB20008 (800-267) Drugs That Shape Society
Also I need some sem1 recommendations :(
Anyone done PSYC20008 (512-227) Developmental Psychology??
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Do Mind, Brain and Behaviour 1, not Developmental Psychology. Developmental psych is the 2nd year continuation of MB&B 1&2.
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any good history subjects as breadth?
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Do Mind, Brain and Behaviour 1, not Developmental Psychology. Developmental psych is the 2nd year continuation of MB&B 1&2.
Science and Biomed pplz can't do Mind, Brain and Behaviour as Breadth. :(
Because i would have done them otherwise.
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How do people feel about biological psychology (lv2) without done lv 1 psych?
I'm thinking of doing lv1 psych in year 2 as electives, and doing this lv 2 as a fun subject/ prereq for neuroscience.
that way i can do genetics, health&society in year 2 !
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So...first year psych before second year psych? You could always do them in the correct order, lol...
I give up. All of you do second/third year psych if you want. :P
(Although I will admit that stonecold has a good reason. Probably best to try and at least slot in MB&B2 as an elective if you can, but otherwise there isn't much choice. Maybe pick another breadth?)
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Depending on what course you're doing there should be a form you call fill out and submit to try and enroll in that subject and they will process it manually and admit you (within like ten years).
Is that in regards to my question or someone elses?
YOURS :D
Sorry I'm ages late replying now.
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Why can I not do this for Biomed and at least get a day off?
Because they hate you. The lecturer's time is infinitely more valuable than yours, sadly enough.
And everyone talking about jumping to 2nd/3rd year subjects...there are some you can do it for, mostly uni breadth, but you'd better be damn sure that you can handle the subject. Doing 8 1st year subjects this year isn't going to kill you and you sure as hell don't want to be taking any of the subjects I am.
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I got a day off for both semesters in first year biomed. Even when Alloc8 randomly spat out timetables in first semester I had Thursdays off, so it's very possible!
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Also, i'm trying to enroll into the breadth subject "ANCW30011 (670-378) Underworld and Afterlife" and on the handbook, it says there are no prerequisites. However, when i try to enroll, it says:
"This subject has a Pre-requisite of 1 Spk(s) in ANCW%, and Year Level = 2 that has not yet been met."
What does the first prerequisites mean, and can i only take this past year 1?
Does this mean i can't take it? (even though the handbook doesn't mention any of these)
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I know that some of the 3rd year history subjects (ie that) require at least one previous history subject. If it doesn't mention it in the handbook then maybe it's been changed, but that could be it.
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Living longer is good but you have to write an essay for it, heads up for those who don't like that. I'm doing it myself sem2
I would stay away from internet meets society and ecological history of humanity.
HPS is pretty good
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Why would you stay away from An Ecological History of Humanity?
I've been considering it.
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I'm really don't want to do any of the subjects in the medical sequence because of the weekly blog that forms 30% of the assessment.
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What do you guys think of:
The medical sequence:
UNIB10003 (800-175) An Ecological History of Humanity
UNIB20013 (800-275) Body, Mind and Medicine: A Dissection
UNIB30005 (800-375) Living Longer: A Global Diagnosis
(800-150) Internet Meets Society
History & Philosophy of Science
Criminology
Oh and I never got to see, but
Urban Environments?
Im doing Body, Mind and Medicine: A Dissection in sem 2 :D
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I'm really don't want to do any of the subjects in the medical sequence because of the weekly blog that forms 30% of the assessment.
Whats wrong with a blog?
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Anyone know any feedback on the following breadths, I'm tossing up which I should do first and would be interested to know of any experiences people have had with them (good or bad):
- Principles of Business Law
- Accounting Reports and Analysis
- Principles of Marketing
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Weekly blog isn't terrible. You'll have to do 10 entries (one a week), each one worth 3 marks, so it's not like they wait until the end and then mark it.
Ecological history...I just don't like the incredible breadth of content. They're speeding through a whole lot and I can see that being a pain when it comes to assessment. But who knows, it's one of the three subjects I'm still considering for sem1 breadth
Those three subjects (PBL/ARA/PoM) are apparently really boring but not particularly hard.
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Also in MB%M there are marks allocated to collaborative exercises and your peers assess you, obviously this can be an opportunity of mutual beneficence, students would likely help themselves out..right lol
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Your peers definitely do not assess you, where are you getting that from?
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Your peers definitely do not assess you, where are you getting that from?
The presenter for MDM told me, weird..
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That's really weird then, perhaps I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt your peers are going to be doing any meaningful assessment
OH And do we need to consider any majors now? I have absolutely no idea which one I'm going to pursue yet...
but do we need to start doing prerequisite subjects NOW??
You're in biomed, you don't need to worry about prereq subjects until next year (if ever). Plus, you don't have room for them anyway haha
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Has anyone heard anything good or bad about
Age of Revolutions: America and France or other similar history subjects?
also not sure if i should begin a language eg.French if its difficult to get good marks, requires much commitment
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There's peer assessment in first year engineering. It's awesome.
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Anyone who has done MBB 1 & 2, is it anything like VCE psych (please no) lol
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Anyone who has done MBB 1 & 2, is it anything like VCE psych (please no) lol
I think Minilunchbox did MBB as UMEP this year concurrently with VCE psych so she'd know.
You should send her a PM :)
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Anyone who has done MBB 1 & 2, is it anything like VCE psych (please no) lol
I think Minilunchbox did MBB as UMEP this year concurrently with VCE psych so she'd know.
You should send her a PM :)
Thanks
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Anyone who has done MBB 1 & 2, is it anything like VCE psych (please no) lol
Yes, there is some overlap. But you would have done it so it'll be easy for you.
I did both last year.
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Anyone who has done MBB 1 & 2, is it anything like VCE psych (please no) lol
Would also like to know the answer to this :)
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Anyone who has done MBB 1 & 2, is it anything like VCE psych (please no) lol
Would also like to know the answer to this :)
MBB1 is units 3/4 psych at a quicker pace and with more detail. MBB2 is different and new, but some of the stuff is similar to units 1/2 psych (social psych). Not much though, but I can't really remember much of units 1/2 psych or MBB2.
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Anyone who has done MBB 1 & 2, is it anything like VCE psych (please no) lol
Would also like to know the answer to this :)
MBB1 is units 3/4 psych at a quicker pace and with more detail. MBB2 is different and new, but some of the stuff is similar to units 1/2 psych (social psych). Not much though, but I can't really remember much of units 1/2 psych or MBB2.
Ah okay, thanks for that!
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Anyone know of an interesting breadth subject that's pretty easy with fairly low contact hours?
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Anyone know of an interesting breadth subject that's pretty easy with fairly low contact hours?
The Holy Grail.
:D
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I called the co-ordinator about doing Biological Psychology (lv2) without first year psych.
He said it's fine, and there is no presumed knowledge; and if I want to get to prepare/read ahead - go through the neural system (action potentials, neurotransmitters) & sleep in the prescribed textbook.
Should be okay I hope, someone on these forums after searching had done it (Dan) without first year, shall hear what he has to see.
^Just incase anyone was considering doing this without first year, definitely a better option than a 3rd year without any previous psych study!
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Yeah I considered that one, but it's not breadth so I figured I'd rather stick with the 6
Looks kinda interesting and I'd get to be snobby towards arts students :P
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Yeah I considered that one, but it's not breadth so I figured I'd rather stick with the 6
Looks kinda interesting and I'd get to be snobby towards arts students :P
hahah yay.. i probably can't though since I'm a young, unlearned first year :(
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I'm doing a B.Com degree and would like to get into politics as a breadth. I've looked at the two politics/international studies level 1 subjects and i would like opinions on both if possible.
International Politics
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/INTS10001
Introduction to Political Ideas
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/POLS10003
I like the look of the first one, but the assessment seems very difficult and i am unsure whether i would be able to get good marks in it.
What would you suggest?
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There's not much difference between the two, they're both 3 essays
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is principles of business law hard?
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Intro to Pol Ideas < International Politics.
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How do people rate Music Psychology? From a search apparently it's easy, but is that still true for an poor essay writer / humanities person & not extremely musical?
&if anyone knows, what sort of specialisation is the essay (60% o-o) on? And are the weekly quiz's easy/what are they?
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Anyone doing Japanese 1A?
I couldn't find the level 1 version: JAPN10001
Instead I had to enrol into JAPN20015 Japanese 1A ...and it is giving me the creeps because that's a level 2 subject...
Does anyone else have this problem? Wait; is it even a problem?? I don't think I can ask the commerce student centre because I am overseas at the moment. If the timetables for JAPN10001 and JAPN20015 are different... :buck2:
Thanks
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Music Psych is not the sort of subject you should do unless you're interested in the content.
Don't know about the essay but the weekly quizzes aren't that hard (weekly quizzes are never hard)
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Anyone doing Japanese 1A?
I couldn't find the level 1 version: JAPN10001
Instead I had to enrol into JAPN20015 Japanese 1A ...and it is giving me the creeps because that's a level 2 subject...
Does anyone else have this problem? Wait; is it even a problem?? I don't think I can ask the commerce student centre because I am overseas at the moment. If the timetables for JAPN10001 and JAPN20015 are different... :buck2:
Thanks
I don't *think* it makes a difference. It's just so that people can start languages as breadth later, without having to worry about going over the level 1 subject limit I think...
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They're the same class. They just have different codes so you can count it as anywhere from 1st to 3rd year for administrative purposes.
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Music Psych is not the sort of subject you should do unless you're interested in the content.
Don't know about the essay but the weekly quizzes aren't that hard (weekly quizzes are never hard)
it sounds interesting! just wouldn't want to do it if i couldn't do well.
i may switch into it if i hate physics.
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Anyone doing Japanese 1A?
I couldn't find the level 1 version: JAPN10001
Instead I had to enrol into JAPN20015 Japanese 1A ...and it is giving me the creeps because that's a level 2 subject...
Does anyone else have this problem? Wait; is it even a problem?? I don't think I can ask the commerce student centre because I am overseas at the moment. If the timetables for JAPN10001 and JAPN20015 are different... :buck2:
Thanks
I don't *think* it makes a difference. It's just so that people can start languages as breadth later, without having to worry about going over the level 1 subject limit I think...
They are the same classes but faculties may not allow you to do the Level 2 subject without doing Level 1 first. So it's best to check before enrolling.
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Im planning to keep mechanical systems and physics major open till the end of the second year..That requires me to drop breadth for year 2 and do it in year 3..so basically 2 breadth in year 1 and 2 breadth in year 2...Anyone recomment any good breadth subjects to compllement an engineering degree?? i was considering the management track?..but it begins at level 2 so is it possible for me to do those level 2 subjects in level one?
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You only need 'Mechanical Systems' and 'Engineering Mathematics' at level 2 to keep mechanical engineering open. I don't know about physics, but you should only need to do two or three subjects at level 2 for that as well. You sure you can't do 2 breadth in second year?
Yes you can do level 2 management as breadth in first year so long as you've done the prerequisites. I'm an engineering student and I'm doing management for my breadth. Didn't do any last year, but I'm doing Organisational Behaviour as my first, which is a level 2 subject which doesn't have any prerequisites.
Other breadth to consider is a language. I'd recommend a language, personally. Invaluable skill to have, despite how hard it is.
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You only need 'Mechanical Systems' and 'Engineering Mathematics' at level 2 to keep mechanical engineering open. I don't know about physics, but you should only need to do two or three subjects at level 2 for that as well. You sure you can't do 2 breadth in second year?
Yes you can do level 2 management as breadth in first year so long as you've done the prerequisites. I'm an engineering student and I'm doing management for my breadth. Didn't do any last year, but I'm doing Organisational Behaviour as my first, which is a level 2 subject which doesn't have any prerequisites.
Other breadth to consider is a language. I'd recommend a language, personally. Invaluable skill to have, despite how hard it is.
Yes but i might want to do mechatronics so i have to also do foundation of electrical netwroks and enginering computation...Hmm im not sure about management the 6 hour a week of self study thing put me off alittle..
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Ignore everything they say about self study. When they say 6 hours of self study per week they mean 'as much as you can possibly fit into one week of swotvac taking into account your other 3 subjects.'
FoEN is good. I just had my exam for it a few hours ago. Fuck mechatronics right off. Mechatronics and aerospace are the bullshit disciplines of eng with no jobs but sound extra spethial when you're in vce. If you're interested in that sort of thing, do both electrical (FoEN) and mechanical (eng mech) then pick the one you like best for third year.
Eng comp is also a good subject to compliment your major. If you're interested in electrical, your best bet is to major in electrical systems and do a bunch of software systems subjects along side it (i.e. eng comp, programming the machine and algorithms). You'll put yourself in a much better position by taking mech (eng mech), elec (FoEN) and software (eng comp) in second year than you would if you took physics.
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Its all so confusing :( i really want to study astrophysics quantum mechanics and that sortah stuff so thats why i plan to keep that physics major open..so mechanical and electrical are the engineering ones id like to keep open..for the first year i dont think thatll be a problem but for the 2nd year i donno.