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Administration => Site Discussion => Suggestions => Topic started by: iNerd on April 09, 2011, 09:34:53 pm
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To keep members here should a post limit be set before you can download practice exams?
At the moment many people just leech practice exams and disappear.
An acceptable number would be 50 posts?
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I think this has been considered before, but there is too much fear that it would lead to people spamming :X
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true, this is a good idea, and we have constant mods patrolling so any kind of useless spamming should be detected
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Or maybe by Respect instead which would indicate good quality posts?
So +5?
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however alot of the exams are uploaded as attachments or linked to external download links... is it even possible to restrict people downloading?
one method ive seen on other forums is that you are able to the hide the download links and only members with certain 'attributes' can view them, however i still dont know how we can restrict people from downloading attached files, unless SMF has that function
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Or maybe by Respect instead which would indicate good quality posts?
So +5?
At -12 I'm surprised you suggested that :P
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Or maybe by Respect instead which would indicate good quality posts?
So +5?
At -12 I'm surprised you suggested that :P
-25 to -12 is +13. That's what matters :P
Besides the Respect idea is only to protect VN from spamming - it's much better to post and contribute.
And clearly I have enough posts ::) :P
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I don't like this idea. I don't think 'forcing' people to contribute is a good idea. Besides the aim of the website is to help students and in a way bridge the gap between those with resources and those without. Implementing this would stop this idea and may be unfair to others.
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I feel that it kind of limits the point...
DAMNIT! Sniped by andy456 :P That's basically what I was going to say.
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Or maybe by Respect instead which would indicate good quality posts?
So +5?
At -12 I'm surprised you suggested that :P
-25 to -12 is +13. That's what matters :P
Besides the Respect idea is only to protect VN from spamming - it's much better to post and contribute.
And clearly I have enough posts ::) :P
I think you would be on about -460 if respect was anonymous.
I don't mind the whole concept, but it just sounds so hard for it to work.
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Or maybe by Respect instead which would indicate good quality posts?
So +5?
I don't even have +5 respect and I've been here for years :P. A post limit of 50 would be appropriate if a limit was to be introduced but like andy said, we shouldn't really make users feel obliged to help others before they are allowed to access our resources.
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Or maybe by Respect instead which would indicate good quality posts?
So +5?
At -12 I'm surprised you suggested that :P
-25 to -12 is +13. That's what matters :P
Besides the Respect idea is only to protect VN from spamming - it's much better to post and contribute.
And clearly I have enough posts ::) :P
I think you would be on about -460 if respect was anonymous.
I don't mind the whole concept, but it just sounds so hard for it to work.
I have no idea about the technicalities about the concept but it's annoying to see others just leech when there are others who actually contribute and deserve the resource benefit.
Ahaha - yes, I agree, many people troll'd neg me when it was anonymous. I went from +4 to -25 faster than you can say Quidditch.
Oh well I've been relieved of my position. "Respect" took my position (Sith Lord?!)
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Or maybe by Respect instead which would indicate good quality posts?
So +5?
At -12 I'm surprised you suggested that :P
-25 to -12 is +13. That's what matters :P
Besides the Respect idea is only to protect VN from spamming - it's much better to post and contribute.
And clearly I have enough posts ::) :P
I think you would be on about -460 if respect was anonymous.
I don't mind the whole concept, but it just sounds so hard for it to work.
I have no idea about the technicalities about the concept but it's annoying to see others just leech when there are others who actually contribute and deserve the resource benefit.
Ahaha - yes, I agree, many people troll'd neg me when it was anonymous. I went from +4 to -25 faster than you can say Quidditch.
Saying some people deserve a benefit more than others is a terrible thing to say. Sure some people help out and then there are others that don't. This DOESN'T mean that latter should miss out. You don't know anything about these people. I had people from my school that had no idea but they used these resources and turned it around. I wouldn't want them trying to give advice when they themselves have no clue.
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Hmm I guess. Never thought about it that way.
However I stand by the word 'deserve'.
These exams that are downloaded are meant to be bought - companies charge.
By contributing you are effectively "paying" for the exam whereas leechers get it for "free".
Do you get what I mean? :S
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I think everyone should have access to the downloadable resources. ATARNotes is here to help everyone :)
But just keep in mind it's not only these resources that benefit them. It's the active forums and question-answer style threads that truly benefit students.
I vote for keeping it the way it is.
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That said, just because they may not be academically able to offer advice, they can still partake in discussion?
I also personally believe that asking questions to an extent is also a method of contributing to the community. Whilst there are some people that ask questions and nothing else, they are effectively providing other students with practice in both that specific subject, and I think it is also cool to know that your explanations can actually be interpreted by others.
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This is perhaps the first time I've seen a split-view/debate on a suggestion - quite fascinating!
I agree with you. I often read other people's Qs and learn off it.
Anyways if it were to be implemented posts would be better because as vea said respect is quite hard to gain - even he hasn't got +5.
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Hmm I guess. Never thought about it that way.
However I stand by the word 'deserve'.
These exams that are downloaded are meant to be bought - companies charge.
By contributing you are effectively "paying" for the exam whereas leechers get it for "free".
Do you get what I mean? :S
I can understand where your coming and I can see validity in your point of contributing to get something. But just to clarify I hardly think contributing is 'paying' for a resource and fail to see how you can justify it as being a valid 'payment'.
That said, just because they may not be academically able to offer advice, they can still partake in discussion?
I also personally believe that asking questions to an extent is also a method of contributing to the community. Whilst there are some people that ask questions and nothing else, they are effectively providing other students with practice in both that specific subject, and I think it is also cool to know that your explanations can actually be interpreted by others.
Good point and I agree; however 'forcing' someone to partake in a discussion or ask a question isn't reasonable (for lack of a better word). I don't think its the direction AN should be taking at the moment
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Hmm I guess. Never thought about it that way.
However I stand by the word 'deserve'.
These exams that are downloaded are meant to be bought - companies charge.
By contributing you are effectively "paying" for the exam whereas leechers get it for "free".
Do you get what I mean? :S
I feel you should stop being so elitist... if you feel this way, mayhaps you should not utilise the resources yourself. I don't think you should eliminate people from using resources people have paid for just because they don't have 50 posts. 50 posts isn't exactly an easy thing to obtain in a quick and timely manner, and I know several people who come here just before exams to get exams and any other advice because they google'd "_____ practice exams" or "______ subject advice"
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"I don't think you should eliminate people from using resources people have paid for..."
Whose paid what? :S
I lost you...
But I fail to see how that is elitist. I contribute to this site and everyone else who does deserves some resources...it would be totally wrong and hypocritical of me to mention this suggestion if I had 1 post.
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Hmm I guess. Never thought about it that way.
However I stand by the word 'deserve'.
These exams that are downloaded are meant to be bought - companies charge.
By contributing you are effectively "paying" for the exam whereas leechers get it for "free".
Do you get what I mean? :S
I feel you should stop being so elitist... if you feel this way, mayhaps you should not utilise the resources yourself. I don't think you should eliminate people from using resources people have paid for just because they don't have 50 posts. 50 posts isn't exactly an easy thing to obtain in a quick and timely manner, and I know several people who come here just before exams to get exams and any other advice because they google'd "_____ practice exams" or "______ subject advice"
We should promote lurking in forums. Best way to promote community cohesion.
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The resources are paid for by someone else
then it was shared on the internet
now everyone can get it for free
there is no justice in saying 'you helped to 'pay' for the exams by contributing with posts'
effectively you got them for free
once again, if its already downloadable for free, everyone should have it!
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"I don't think you should eliminate people from using resources people have paid for..."
Whose paid what? :S
I lost you...
But I fail to see how that is elitist. I contribute to this site and everyone else who does deserves some resources...it would be totally wrong and hypocritical of me to mention this suggestion if I had 1 post.
I don't think this is the issue causing discussion though. The issue is your saying those that don't have 50 posts or +5 respect shouldn't have access to resources made available on this site.
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Who's to say people who don't contribute to the site do not deserve the resources? There's a reason you need to sign up to the website to access the Notes (or you did, when I signed up.)
As for losing me, you contended these exams were meant to be bouhgt; someone HAD bought them and distributed them.
You can fail to see how it is elitist, however, that's basically what you're doing; you're categorising people into people who post (and thus, deserve content) and those who do not/lurk/aren't members (and thus, do not deserve content). But that's not the issue I'm griping at.
I've been a member since last year. I've only recently started posting; before that, I tended to lurk - I checked the forums every day, but did not feel the need to post. Before I started posting, you are saying I should not have access to the content, which was most definitely useful.
Thanks.
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As for losing me, you contended these exams were meant to be bouhgt; someone HAD bought them and distributed them.
That is incorrect. Schools buy it and place it on their portals. Then students from that school post it on VN.
The students outside of the school who bought it are getting it free and hence the company loses out either way.
My point was that those who contribute can at least know they deserve the resource as they have helped out the community. Those who leech it don't help anyone and are only looking to benefit themselves...
Basically to get you must give. It's a simple principle really - if you want a birthday present from a friend you also have to give that same friend a birthday present (on their birthday).
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And? What's the problem with that? That's the POINT of the resources. You're helping yourself, with the exams, the notes... it's when you post asking for help on a question that you're not.
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is the copyright of the practice exams such that students are allowed to distribute them freely?
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And? What's the problem with that? That's the POINT of the resources. You're helping yourself, with the exams, the notes... it's when you post asking for help on a question that you're not.
Basically to get you must give. It's a simple principle really - if you want a birthday present from a friend you also have to give that same friend a birthday present (on their birthday).
It's as andy456 said:
"I can understand where your coming and I can see validity in your point of contributing to get something"
You seem to take a very hostile approach. I'm merely throwing up a suggestion, tone it down.
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ATAR I don't think your looking at it from our perspective. Not all schools buy exams for their students. My school didn't. If I hadn't of found VN theres no way I would have done as well as I did in my VCE. But I guess it doesn't matter because I contribute.
Damn those kids without resources I mean we need them to do poorly to boost our scores right??????? Let's tighten the rules so they can stay down the bottom. (This is sarcasm for those of you playing at home)
LOL at all the people watching this board waiting for it to turn into a war....
ATAR this is a very sensitive issue in case you haven't realised. It involves the distinction between those with resources and those without. Of course there are going to be people adamently defending their points of view.
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Hmm fair enough I guess.
But once again those without resources can easily get them - by contributing.
Meh this is going in circles - I'm out for the night.
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True: agree to disagree then??
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True: agree to disagree then??
Yes.
Thanks for the fascinating discussion maintained in a rational and logical tone :)
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And? What's the problem with that? That's the POINT of the resources. You're helping yourself, with the exams, the notes... it's when you post asking for help on a question that you're not.
Basically to get you must give. It's a simple principle really - if you want a birthday present from a friend you also have to give that same friend a birthday present (on their birthday).
It's as andy456 said:
"I can understand where your coming and I can see validity in your point of contributing to get something"
You seem to take a very hostile approach. I'm merely throwing up a suggestion, tone it down.
The idea of 'gift': to give without expecting anything in return. If you give your friends presents if they give you one, good on you, however that is not the definition of what it is trying to achieve. And I'm not being hostile, however I will be if you would like me to :)
I will personally write exams and essay questions/topics for people to answer and complete. Does that mean I should expect something in return? I would never. I would be happy knowing people can possibly succeed better than they ever had the chance to before.
Hmm fair enough I guess.
But once again those without resources can easily get them - by contributing.
Meh this is going in circles - I'm out for the night.
You should stay and defend your argument. I can see the merit in it, however in this environment it is wrong.
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Nah I'm tired and I've agreed to disagree.
But one thing you said interested me.
"...not in this environment."
What environment would you suggest then?
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A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.
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A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.
What? Remove that accessibility? That sounds like complete and total control and segregation which is clearly over-the-top. My point was to get members to actually contribute to gain that accessibility - I'm not suggesting removing it entirely. Also these practice exams are a privilege - not a right. And privileges can be taken away. Once again this will go in circles so I agree to disagree :)
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A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.
He isn't suggesting that the accessibility is removed. Just that it is 'harder' (but not really) to access these resources.
I can see that your passionate about this issue which is a good thing and I'm all for it but maybe we should tone it down a bit. ATAR has agreed to disagree about the issue as he has pointed out the argument is just a circle that we will continue to follow
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A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.
50 Post implementation might be far fetching it, however, 30 post implementation might be adequate or even a 20 post implementation.
Yes, it is a privilege, that resources is accessible. At the same time, through ATAR's idea, posting implementation , say 20 - 30, which is achievable in like a week, we are encouraging more communication within the community and at the same time, promoting the forum by compelling students to participate rather than "get but not give". This also encourages student who primarily were lurkers to participate in the forum. Just as someone who is "not confident" do activities to boost their confidence, it works on the same principle.
Or alternatively, we can stick with what we are now, and let lurkers reign. You choose.
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The only reason some people sign up here is to get those resources... and they may desperately need them and not have the time to get 50+ posts... Personally the only reason I joined was to see the methods exam answers last year... but then I learned about all the other things VN has to offer - and even the stuff I could help other people with... that's why I stuck around. So if you restrict it people aren't going to be bothered signing up in the first place...
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Pretty much. Most people come for the resources, stay for the people. You make them post to GET those resources, and you won't even get the people.
A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.
What? Remove that accessibility? That sounds like complete and total control and segregation which is clearly over-the-top. My point was to get members to actually contribute to gain that accessibility - I'm not suggesting removing it entirely. Also these practice exams are a privilege - not a right. And privileges can be taken away. Once again this will go in circles so I agree to disagree :)
So what you're saying is, as I read it, "control is bad, segregation is bad... but I suggest we control it anyway"?
This argument is actually going no-where. ATAR never will - and never has - budged from his "argument", so I simply refuse to comment on it anymore. I've made my views clear - if not, read again.
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Key word - control
Your key word? - remove
(lol I never suggested to remove it completely...)
That is all. Now I am seriously sleeping and once again I agree to disagree - if not, read again.
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God you're a pedantic twat. Far out man.
"AGREE TO DISAGREE, AGREE TO DISAGREE"
but as soon as someone backs down, you instantly pounce on them to prove some semblance of superiority.
far out brah... that's not a great trait to have.
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God you're a pedantic twat. Far out man.
"AGREE TO DISAGREE, AGREE TO DISAGREE"
but as soon as someone backs down, you instantly pounce on them to prove some semblance of superiority.
far out brah... that's not a great trait to have.
Sigh. Clearly words are important in a debate and there's a massive difference between control and remove.
To me it sounds like a mini-rage because you're argument is slipping away and no I'm not trying to be superior but trying to emphasise that you've blown this way out of proportion which is a "bad trait to have". Furthermore I tried to end this a good 15minutes ago.
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God you're a pedantic twat. Far out man.
"AGREE TO DISAGREE, AGREE TO DISAGREE"
but as soon as someone backs down, you instantly pounce on them to prove some semblance of superiority.
far out brah... that's not a great trait to have.
Really??
Is there really a need to stoop to petty name calling over the internet??
Obviously he doesn't want this discussion to become an outright debate so he has signified that the discussion is going no-where (which it isn't) and has agreed to disagree with you and me.
Just to clarify
A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.
This was not what he was arguing.
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By imposing a restriction upon who can access and who cannot access the material, he is removing the accessibility. You may think otherwise, but when it comes down to it, you can either access it as soon as you register, or you can not.
As for 'petty name calling over the Internet', sure. I refuse to be mocked by some guy who seems to feel a need to "improve" the website.
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Should say it; ATARNotes in no way condones the distribution of copyright material.
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I was wondering when someone would come out and say it. :laugh:
setting an official limit on a legally/ethically dodgy resource prolly isn't
a good idea. By this I mean practice exams.
Notes, on the other hand, are completely original works
by AN members who don't infringe copyright or plagiarise at all.
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Mate I'm cracking down hard.
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No.
When I said VCE Notes would always be free, I meant that in every sense, not just financially. Distinguishing on the basis of post count / respect is just as arbitrary and elitist as distinguishing on the basis of whether your parents have the money to spare for a membership fee.
Perhaps read the welcome message by enwiabe again. The primary purpose of this site is to contribute towards reducing the inequalities in the education system by providing resources to all students. For some this means asking for help on the forums. For others, this may just mean downloading whatever notes they need.
If you don't want "leechers" downloading your stuff then don't upload them. There are plenty of generous members here to take up the slack.
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I was wondering when someone would come out and say it. :laugh:
setting an official limit on a legally/ethically dodgy resource prolly isn't
a good idea. By this I mean practice exams.
Notes, on the other hand, are completely original works
by AN members who don't infringe copyright or plagiarise at all.
? I removed a bunch of copyrighted material yesterday and warned the offending members. It's just that there's such a volume of posts that the mods can't catch every attachment and the ones that slip through we deal with when they're reported to us by the copyright owners, but if I see copyrighted material I'm certainly taking it down and that is the official site policy. We don't condone the posting of copyright material and never have so I don't understand why there is this ambiguity to it.
Secondly, there absolutely will never be a post limit to accessing resources. Period.
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yeah, it's clear that AN is against and actively monitoring against the site becoming a edu-warez site. that wasn't what i was getting at.
i was puzzled that given the site policy, the OP was advocating official regulation of what are mostly copyright materials, and that the discussion had gone on so long considering it's a moot point. it seems the most obvious objection, doesn't it?
Some practice exams i assume are made by members or public domain, and if you were to restrict access to them based on participation, then why not to notes or to forums? It's likely that members get as much or more benefit from the notes and from the help of other members in the fora as from prac
exams.
Atar's underlying issue seems fair enough, that some people don't put in, but they get the benefit. But i'd guess that for most people who put in it isn't about fair reward, it's about helping others yeah? (even the fact the site exists at all - can't be much profit in it).
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I never said people put in just for resources - they put in because they want to.
The resources are merely a benefit "Here you go, thanks for helping!"
Anyways it is clear that we're flogging a dead horse here. Locked.
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Unlocked. Active discussion is still going on.
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By imposing a restriction upon who can access and who cannot access the material, he is removing the accessibility. You may think otherwise, but when it comes down to it, you can either access it as soon as you register, or you can not.
I agree entirely
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I am strongly opposed to imposing a limit on downloading resources. The goal of our contributors (or at least the majority) is to freely and openly help others so that they receive a better education. We don't ask for anything in return, because we ourselves are repaying the debt we owe to FSN/VN/AN when it helped us immensely in our year 12 education. It is in this spirit that FSN/VN/AN has grown, that we give first, then hope it has made enough of a difference in the members' schooling that they feel compelled to give back to the community. This very philosophy is admirable, and I hope it will be in this spirit that AN will remain.
That and, the resources uploaded are at the courtesy of the uploader. If we were to restrict the accessibility, that is the discretion of the uploader, not the discretion of ATAR. I think many uploaders will agree to keep it unrestricted.
I have also been on sites where there has been a post limit on downloading. It just means the off-topic boards will be flooded constantly with crap so people can quickly get their 50 posts. Mods can try to stop that, but then new member uptake will drop very fast, essentially restricting the place to a handful of long-term members ('elitist', as iamtom put it).
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I fail to see how it's 'active discussion' when enwiabe has already closed the topic with a final decision.
You're just flogging a dead horse by saying the exact same thing albeit in 3 paragraphs.
Also if you read my post above I did quite clearly state that members help others because they want to :S
Secondly, there absolutely will never be a post limit to accessing resources. Period.
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I like this forum and I'm grateful towards it and all, but 4 words:
It's just a forum.
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I like this forum and I'm grateful towards it and all, but 4 words:
It's just a forum.
What's your point?
edit: not to be rude, I legitimately am confused at what you mean by this.
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Basically what I was trying to say is that we shouldn't be taking these kinds of things so.. seriously? By that, I mean we shouldn't be writing massive 3-paragraph posts or arguing and arguing for ages on matters that aren't all that significant.
That was about it really - just people taking this place so seriously is getting on my nerves.
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Basically what I was trying to say is that we shouldn't be taking these kinds of things so.. seriously? By that, I mean we shouldn't be writing massive 3-paragraph posts or arguing and arguing for ages on matters that aren't all that significant.
That was about it really - just people taking this place so seriously is getting on my nerves.
This.
Especially after enwiabe made his statement...there's nothing left to argue.
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I fail to see how it's 'active discussion' when enwiabe has already closed the topic with a final decision.
You're just flogging a dead horse by saying the exact same thing albeit in 3 paragraphs.
Also if you read my post above I did quite clearly state that members help others because they want to :S
Secondly, there absolutely will never be a post limit to accessing resources. Period.
Just because enwiabe has spoken doesn't mean end of discussion :P
And I posted because I oppose the very philosophy and spirit of having a post limit, which you are advocating. I don't think I was repeating prior arguments (otherwise I wouldn't have posted), but you may interpret it as such because it was another argument against your suggestion.
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Pretty sure he didn't close this thread, he just stated that it won't be happening. People can still discuss the theory behind it or debate its validity
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'close the topic' was figurative for end of discussion (ie period.)
Go ahead and discuss lol - I'm not shifting - to get you must give.
To get and not give is just pure selfishness IMO especially considering the limit would be so low (20 posts).
It's not really that hard to answer 10 questions/ask 10 questions.
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Also, I'll just add that some people must seriously have no life if they're prepared to discuss such a minute matter to such an extent. Huge essay posts aren't gonna revolutionise anything.
And I posted because I oppose the very philosophy and spirit of having a post limit, which you are advocating.
The 'philosophy'? The 'spirit'? It's only a flippin' forum! :o
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Basically what I was trying to say is that we shouldn't be taking these kinds of things so.. seriously? By that, I mean we shouldn't be writing massive 3-paragraph posts or arguing and arguing for ages on matters that aren't all that significant.
That was about it really - just people taking this place so seriously is getting on my nerves.
I think what people are passionate about is more the principle of the matter, and how it effects people rather than the surface layer of the issue.
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'close the topic' was figurative for end of discussion (ie period.)
Go ahead and discuss lol - I'm not shifting - to get you must give.
To get and not give is just pure selfishness IMO especially considering the limit would be so low (20 posts).
It's not really that hard to answer 10 questions/ask 10 questions.
If it helps the student, why does it matter? If it has made a contribution to their studies, then I have achieved my goal. Whether they repay me/VN or not is a test of their character, but them receiving the resources is not conditional on that.
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I fail to see how it's 'active discussion' when enwiabe has already closed the topic with a final decision.
You shouldn't lock a topic like this (really there aren't many times you need to lock a topic).
I agree entirely with Mao: the life force of this forum is in the people who freely help whether it be time or notes. It is freely given, it should be freely received.
'close the topic' was figurative for end of discussion (ie period.)
Go ahead and discuss lol - I'm not shifting - to get you must give.
To get and not give is just pure selfishness IMO especially considering the limit would be so low (20 posts).
It's not really that hard to answer 10 questions/ask 10 questions.
But this is NOT something which is to be 'earnt' (how is posting supposed to earn you the right anyway?). The philosophy of this site is to give. So let them take, and if they want to stay they will.
Oh, and we saw how well the 'give then get' system worked recently, no? The entire program collapsed.
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Oh, and we saw how well the 'give then get' system worked recently, no? The entire program collapsed.
What was that? :S
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Also, I'll just add that some people must seriously have no life if they're prepared to discuss such a minute matter to such an extent. Huge essay posts aren't gonna revolutionise anything.
I find this amusing, all things considered
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Essay marking forum.
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Oh, and we saw how well the 'give then get' system worked recently, no? The entire program collapsed.
What was that? :S
http://vce.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/board,406.0.html
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Oh. My bad.
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Oh, and we saw how well the 'give then get' system worked recently, no? The entire program collapsed.
What was that? :S
http://vce.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/board,406.0.html
Total collapse.
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I find this amusing, all things considered
All things meaning?
Oh, and we saw how well the 'give then get' system worked recently, no? The entire program collapsed.
What was that? :S
http://vce.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/board,406.0.html
Have to agree with you, that was a dismal failure. :P
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Oh, and we saw how well the 'give then get' system worked recently, no? The entire program collapsed.
What was that? :S
http://vce.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/board,406.0.html
Total collapse.
Was nice for the 2 weeks it lasted though :P
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Oh, and we saw how well the 'give then get' system worked recently, no? The entire program collapsed.
What was that? :S
http://vce.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/board,406.0.html
Total collapse.
Was nice for the 2 weeks it lasted though :P
Its just that this forum is more pro "science-maths," I think. Me too, I enjoyed the feedback whilst it lasted.
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@Water:
I was looking forward to it in y12 and than it got owned :P
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Or maybe by Respect instead which would indicate good quality posts?
So +5?
so you would have downloaded your last prac exam then!
You're a bit late bro :P
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Oh, and we saw how well the 'give then get' system worked recently, no? The entire program collapsed.
What was that? :S
http://vce.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/board,406.0.html
Total collapse.
Was nice for the 2 weeks it lasted though :P
Its just that this forum is more pro "science-maths," I think. Me too, I enjoyed the feedback whilst it lasted.
Agreed. Little activity on the Art forum as well =.=
Don't even think what the essay forum is now is working particularly well...
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Or maybe by Respect instead which would indicate good quality posts?
So +5?
so you would have downloaded your last prac exam then!
Already pointed it out :P
Or maybe by Respect instead which would indicate good quality posts?
So +5?
At -12 I'm surprised you suggested that :P
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Also Jane, I have no-one in my VET forum :(
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Wow this thread has a lot of posts in what is just over 12 hours.
I say this is a good thing as it shows that the members are trying to make it a better place.
One problem is that some people may just sign up for the resources but they may be shy people who do not feel compelled to be active members and post in threads.
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Wow this thread has a lot of posts in what is just over 12 hours.
I say this is a good thing as it shows that the members are trying to make it a better place.
One problem is that some people may just sign up for the resources but they may be shy people who do not feel compelled to be active members and post in threads.
Yeah this was the first forum I had ever posted in... I was scared of talking to creepy online strangers at first :P
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One problem is that some people may just sign up for the resources but they may be shy people who do not feel compelled to be active members and post in threads.
I'm 1 of those people :-[ Didn't feel smart enough to post o_O
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I find this amusing, all things considered
All things meaning?
You've been guilty of it before
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I find this amusing, all things considered
All things meaning?
You've been guilty of it before
Link me.
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I'm not going through 2000 odd posts to find an example for you
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if I may quickly jump in:
http://vce.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,36134.0.html and the whole saga around it
werdna, if you find the discussion pointless then nobody is forcing you to read it / participate
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bloody communists
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ouch, Hope that doesn't apply