ATAR Notes: Forum
Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => Monash University => Topic started by: eOkee on April 22, 2011, 07:08:14 pm
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Hi everyone
I just wanted to ask people who have transferred into Monash law or know about it to tell me a bit about the marks needed.
I fully, totally understand that it changes every year, but I'm sure it fluctuates around a certain figure so if people could tell me what average they had in Monash or another university to transfer into a place at monash law school that is a CSP.
Really appriciated!
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Anecdotally: 78+ average, but HD average preferred. Competition is very very fierce.
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Thanks a lot!
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Is ATAR considered at all or is it all based on uni marks?
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I don't think so - the application form doesn't ask for ATAR nor VCAA number or anything
http://www.law.monash.edu.au/futurestudents/entry-monash.html
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Btw, they announced last year that they are severely limiting external transfers into law so you'll have far more luck internally transferring. Anecdotally, about 25% of the people I've met in first year monash law are internal transfers while I know 1 external transfer.
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this is on the form 'Undergraduate students: attach certified copy of original transcripts of non-Monash results (ENTER, VCE or equivalent Year 12)'. So maybe it is considered
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Actually, Monash have changed their process for Law transfers very recently. The 78% requirement no longer applies, it's just a straight Distinction average (70%+). That being said, I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable without a very high D or even an HD - it's one of the most competitive transfers in the entire university. But the fact that the requirement has gone down might suggest that they are upping the number of internal transfers they are giving out!
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Hasn't it always been 70%? Has anything else changed?
Anecdotally: 78+ average, but HD average preferred. Competition is very very fierce.
i.e. I hear this based on people who've successfully transferred. They say 70% but it is so competitive you should aim for a HD average to be safe.
I can't see competition going down any time soon, especially with UoM no longer offering undergraduate law and the other universities in Victoria being not quite as competitive as Monash is.
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i'm an external transfer and i got a 78 average last year. So far I've only met two external transfers - i think there are more internal transfers.
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Hey, for those that have transferred. did you find out in January with the year 12's when they get their first round offers?
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Hey, for those that have transferred. did you find out in January with the year 12's when they get their first round offers?
Mhmhm.
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Hey, for those that have transferred. did you find out in January with the year 12's when they get their first round offers?
It'll depend on the faculty, for Aero eng -> Aero Eng/Sci I found out in the middle of December last year.
EDIT: I should have read up more first before posting, that was for an Internal Course Transfer, for an External Transfer you'd probably find out with the year 12's (don't quote me on that though).
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I got an email saying I'd know on the 17th of Jan.
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I have a friend who got into arts first...then transferred into law/arts. I think he had a decent average..not sure about the exact number
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I got an email saying I'd know on the 17th of Jan.
good luck! you're one of the "good ones" that this industry sorely lacks
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good luck! you're one of the "good ones" that this industry sorely lacks
Thanks man :). I'll pretty much know after results day, depending on if I bomb horribly or do really well again.
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Tangentially related: if you wanted to end up doing law at Monash, but it doesn't look like you're going to manage the required ATAR, would it be better to start law at a different uni and try to transfer into Monash, or start a different undergraduate degree in Monash (like Arts), and then transfer in from within the school? Or is there really no difference, so long as you manage a HD average?
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Depends on you really and what risks you're willing to take
Law at different uni
- it may be harder to get the required average with law subjects than with other disciplines
- if you do manage to get into Monash, getting credit might be difficult. I know someone who transferred from VU law and had to repeat first year because Monash would not give credit for the subjects she had done at VU. Deakin is fine though, not sure about other unis
HOWEVER
- you'll still end up with a law degree even if you don't get into Monash
Internal transfer within Monash
- depending on the degree you choose it is probably easier to get the required average (75+ to be competitive, which is significantly easier to get in something like arts than it is in law)
- you'll get credit for all the subjects you did in first year so you will not have wasted any time (assuming you'd be transferring from arts to arts/law; if transferring from arts to straight law, you will probably not get credit for your arts subjects. but I would recommend heavily against doing straight law)
HOWEVER
- you may not get into law at all and 1) risk being stuck with just an arts degree and/or 2) have to take the LSAT to try to get into the JD which is definitely not guaranteed because the LSAT isn't exactly a walk in the park
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Monash does not require an LSAT for JD entry (Melbourne is the only law school I know of who has a MANDATORY requirement - Sydney "suggests" LSAT to boost your application).
I received a "full-fee" place today, and I didn't complete the LSAT. (No chance in hell I'm accepting something that costs $34k p/year to study, but that's another story)
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I received a "full-fee" place today, and I didn't complete the LSAT. (No chance in hell I'm accepting something that costs $34k p/year to study, but that's another story)
The debt is huge but theoretically if you have no other choice, it seems like it's worth it if you really want to get into law. I think its pretty exploitative on behalf of the university looking to profit off peoples dreams but ultimately it seems like you'd make that ~90K back over the course of a law career compared to not getting in.
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[off-topic but sue me] I'm not sure whether it's exploitative by the university, or rather the federal government that is exploiting the tertiary education sector. Universities lose money on every CSP place, and they are forced to recoup those losses with IFPs and DFPs.
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Monash does not require an LSAT for JD entry (Melbourne is the only law school I know of who has a MANDATORY requirement - Sydney "suggests" LSAT to boost your application).
I received a "full-fee" place today, and I didn't complete the LSAT. (No chance in hell I'm accepting something that costs $34k p/year to study, but that's another story)
That's for Monash yes? I suppose you're a little late for taking the LSAT now. Have you tried another university for Law? I thought you were all into Economics haha
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Monash does not require an LSAT for JD entry (Melbourne is the only law school I know of who has a MANDATORY requirement - Sydney "suggests" LSAT to boost your application).
I received a "full-fee" place today, and I didn't complete the LSAT. (No chance in hell I'm accepting something that costs $34k p/year to study, but that's another story)
TIL! Thanks for correcting me.
Isn't there a HELP equivalent for full-fee places?
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Yes, Monash's JD can be put on FEE-HELP, but at the end of the day 30k is 30k - you still have to pay it back (Plus inflation). Plus, I only applied to see if I'd get it - was only ever going to consider a CSP place.
And my dream of Economics is dead after I somehow managed to get 56% on my Macro Exam. (Still no idea how - it was ridiculously hard - but I didn't think I did that badly)
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Hi guys, I just got my results today. Got a WAM of 82.38 for 1st year BA. I've been pretty stressed about getting into law for the whole year, and just wish I had some closure sooner rather than later. Any clues on whether I have a good chance of getting an offer? Cheers!
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Congrats on such a great average :)
From my limited knowledge, I think you're in for a pretty good shot :)
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Hi guys, I just got my results today. Got a WAM of 82.38 for 1st year BA. I've been pretty stressed about getting into law for the whole year, and just wish I had some closure sooner rather than later. Any clues on whether I have a good chance of getting an offer? Cheers!
Congrats, that is a great average! Anecdotally, I think you should be fine - you definitely don't have any cause for stress.
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Congrats on such a great average :)
From my limited knowledge, I think you're in for a pretty good shot :)
Congrats, that is a great average! Anecdotally, I think you should be fine - you definitely don't have any cause for stress.
Thanks guys! Any idea when the offers might come out? I know the website says 17th of January, but could they give offers earlier?
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I think they'd have to wait for the Year 12s? So I'm assuming it will be Jan 17th.
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82 is a pretty high avg. In past years the cut-off has typically (anecdotally) been high 70's, so unless it goes up kinda suddenly (unlikely I would think) you should be fine. They could release transfer offers earlier, I remember when I transferred into law a few yrs ago the offer was a few days before the date.
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I think they'd have to wait for the Year 12s? So I'm assuming it will be Jan 17th.
82 is a pretty high avg. In past years the cut-off has typically (anecdotally) been high 70's, so unless it goes up kinda suddenly (unlikely I would think) you should be fine. They could release transfer offers earlier, I remember when I transferred into law a few yrs ago the offer was a few days before the date.
Thanks for that, I might ring them up and check. Will let prospective internal course transfers know how it goes.
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Phoned the Faculty of Law and got told not to worry and that I will almost definitely get in. For others' information, I was told that an average 75 and above would have a good chance of getting in via internal course transfer. Also got told that the offers will be given out before 17th of January. They have to wait for all results to be finalised before releasing offers.
So stoked and relieved to hear that! :D
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That's fantastic. Great news! Preemptive congrats, lionslaw!
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Congrats!
you poor thing
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That's fantastic. Great news! Preemptive congrats, lionslaw!
Congrats!
you poor thing
Thanks guys! Very happy to know that there's a strong possibility I'll be able to pursue a passion and dream of mine.
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Hey did anyone receive an internal transfer offer today for 2014 law in their monash email??
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Hey did anyone receive an internal transfer offer today for 2014 law in their monash email??
Uhhh nope... did you?
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Check your spam. It should be from sherri samuels. So early. I'm a bit shocked cause I was expecting mid jan
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Check your spam. It should be from sherri samuels. So early. I'm a bit shocked cause I was expecting mid jan
Oh. Yeah, totally got one. Checked the professional staff directory for good measure; pretty sure it's legit. Well done on getting your offer! :)
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Yeah replied to the email and got an out of office auto reply since uni shut today for christmas. Seems legit. Can anyone else provide further information on this?
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Oh. Yeah, totally got one. Checked the professional staff directory for good measure; pretty sure it's legit. Well done on getting your offer! :)
Does this mean you're doing law? Woooooooo yes! ;D
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Congrats to you all 8)
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Does this mean you're doing law? Woooooooo yes! ;D
did you apply for transfer too? Are you doing a double degree?
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did you apply for transfer too? Are you doing a double degree?
Haha nope, I'm happy with the degree I'm in at the moment! I just really, really wanted Brenden to get into law :P
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Does this mean you're doing law? Woooooooo yes! ;D
Well, I replied with "I accept", so I assume so! Woowoo!
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I got the email and I am feeling ecstatic. ;D
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I got the email and I am feeling ecstatic. ;D
Just a question as I am only lightly following this thread, did you transfer during your second year and what course did you do prior to your transfer?
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Just a question as I am only lightly following this thread, did you transfer during your second year and what course did you do prior to your transfer?
I am transferring to Arts/Law after doing my first year of Arts this year.
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I am transferring to Arts/Law after doing my first year of Arts this year.
yeah me too. Arts at monash 2013
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yeah me too. Arts at monash 2013
Congratulations and good luck next year! :)
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Congrats you poor bastards! Feel free to message me if you have questions/concerns.
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Congrats to all on getting the offer! Look forward to meeting you at some point next year!
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Yeah got the email too!
I'm mildy freaking out
But why would the email be the spam area?
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Yeah got the email too!
I'm mildy freaking out
But why would the email be the spam area?
it should be fine. I'm sure it's an administrative error. The email address is correct
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But why would the email be the spam area?
Things like this happen every now and then, for example the form that you get for the transport concession card kept going into everyone's spam folder at the start of the year, took them a while to figure out why no one was getting them.
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I must say though, the email seemed a bit strange. Felt as if she was missing a sentence in there. Something like: "Congratulations! Your application was successful". Only said to accept or reject the offer by January 3rd and that a formal offer would come through in due course. :P
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Yeah it did look so strange, didn't it? That's why I googled her name lol.
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Well I knew she was legit as I had spoken to her on the phone before when I rang the Faculty and she was the the one who sent the receipt and confirmation of the application. Just thought the email was worded oddly.
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Is it possible to transfer from something like Biomed/comm to comm/law or biomed/law?
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Is it possible to transfer from something like Biomed/comm to comm/law or biomed/law?
I would think it is. Take a look at this: http://www.law.monash.edu.au/future-students/undergraduate/pathways.html
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Well I knew she was legit as I had spoken to her on the phone before when I rang the Faculty and she was the the one who sent the receipt and confirmation of the application. Just thought the email was was worded oddly.
Haha IME that's pretty typical of the law fac. They are nicer in person than their brusque emails suggest
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Haha IME that's pretty typical of the law fac. They are nicer in person than their brusque emails suggest
Haha! Hopefully it's not some sick joke! :P
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Haha! Hopefully it's not some sick joke! :P
don't freak out. You're doing law next year. Accept it.
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Congrats you guys!
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don't freak out. You're doing law next year. Accept it.
Haha! Just joking about the strange wording the email had. I am confident either way.
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Anyone have any tips and advice for doing well enough to be able to convert into a double degree including Law? It's what I'll be attempting to do next year after starting my Bachelor of Arts.
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Anyone have any tips and advice for doing well enough to be able to convert into a double degree including Law? It's what I'll be attempting to do next year after starting my Bachelor of Arts.
Bachelor of Arts is a good choice of degree to try and get into law, although it is highly competitive to do so. From personal experience this year, I can suggest the following:
- Sign up for units that you're truly interested in or you are almost certain you can do well in. Do not merely choose units that your friends are doing, or seem to be "more highly regarded". What matters most with getting into law are the marks, not the "reputations" of the units you are doing. Stay true to yourself when choosing your units. For example, if you want to do something with relevance to the law, do the two Criminology units. I also personally found that the Philosophy units I did were pretty interesting and relatively easy to get a good mark in.
- Don't be afraid to ask questions of your tutor or lecturers if you don't understand a concept, and make sure you follow the instructions of the assessments you have control over (essays, quizzes..etc.) carefully. Most lecturers and tutors are nice enough to give you a hand if you ask them.
- If you're unsatisfied or disappointed with your mark for an assessment, don't hesitate to challenge or query your tutor. I found that one of my tutors was a harsher if not unrealistic marker of my assessments for a particular unit. When I spoke to the unit coordinator, they seemed to agree as well so I had my assessment remarked and it got upped to a more satisfying mark. With that being said, also be respectful of the marks you get if you think they are fair. Acknowledge your mistakes as your mark may not get upped even if you challenge it. It is not worth having your mark lowered if you think it is fair (even though you may be disappointed with it). Remember, marks in uni are not as easy to get as those in High School.
- Do not over-work yourself. Working hard or smart is important, but so is taking a break and letting yourself relax. You do not want to go into an exam feeling burnt out. Prepare your exam notes well in advance to avoid this.
- Finally, remember to maintain your motivation and positivity. You want to make sure you have a strong goal-driven year with the mindset that you WILL achieve your goals. Surround yourself with friends and family who will support and remain positive for you, and find yourself inspiration to carry on when you are feeling down.
The magic number to strive for is AT LEAST a 75. It is achievable if you put your mind to the task and work for it. Good luck!
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To those who were successful with their internal transfer, do you know when WES will reflect the course transfer?
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To those who were successful with their internal transfer, do you know when WES will reflect the course transfer?
You should have got an email saying you need to go into Monash this Friday and change your enrolment then.
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You should have got an email saying you need to go into Monash this Friday and change your enrolment then.
I did receive that email. However, I recall from my first-year enrolment that enrolling in units on WES preceded the physical enrolment day, so I thought that transfers will go through a similar procedure as well.
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I did receive that email. However, I recall from my first-year enrolment that enrolling in units on WES preceded the physical enrolment day, so I thought that transfers will go through a similar procedure as well.
Yeah sorry I was confused so I emailed them.
Basically they aren't changing our enrolments until after the supposedly compulsory session on Friday.
Then it will be changed in WES.
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Yeah sorry I was confused so I emailed them.
Basically they aren't changing our enrolments until after the supposedly compulsory session on Friday.
Then it will be changed in WES.
Ah, thank you for that, michak!
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Wait so we have to rock up on Friday? I thought it was like the 'compulsory' first year enrolment. I've also been waiting for it to change on WES. The email soused as if it would update by itself, regardless on whether we attended Friday.
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Wait so we have to rock up on Friday? I thought it was like the 'compulsory' first year enrolment. I've also been waiting for it to change on WES. The email soused as if it would update by itself, regardless on whether we attended Friday.
You don't have to rock up. I emailed the faculty and they basically said that they will be changed after the session, so hopefully on Friday.
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You don't have to rock up. I emailed the faculty and they basically said that they will be changed after the session, so hopefully on Friday.
Thanks :)
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Thanks :)
You probably should have gone today. There was some important information given out about the first assignment we have in Introduction to Legal Reasoning and your credit from your previous course can't be transferred until you sign something.
Also some other key administrative details given out about the ILR unit, student services and the MLSS.
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Just read that ^. So frustrating, wouldn't have gone away if I knew it was important. Our contact at the law faculty said it was fine to miss. I'm assuming the information will be on moodle.
*mini stress*
Has everyone else had their course updated on WES? I'm still down as Arts/Sci
Edit: Feeling so ridiculously stupid GRR. If anyone typed notes or anything like that, assuming it wouldn't be too much trouble for you, I would kiss the ground you walked on for a year if you sent me through the assignment info D:
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eOkee I know about 5 people who have transferred into Monash Law without difficulty. They look at your previous marks at your prior University in order to determine whether you are fit or not.
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Brenden I think lynt.br uploaded his HD assignment on the law resources/notes thread if that helps as well
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Bren, if you need more info after taking a look at the notes, let me know and I'll try to whip something up.
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Brenden I think lynt.br uploaded his HD assignment on the law resources/notes thread if that helps as well
Thank you!! :)
Bren, if you need more info after taking a look at the notes, let me know and I'll try to whip something up.
5600 x Thank you and 34534645645 backflips of gratitude (should it come to that).
I'll have a look once I actually get some moodle access and look at the assignment!
Any idea when it's due, though, anyone?
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Just read that ^. So frustrating, wouldn't have gone away if I knew it was important. Our contact at the law faculty said it was fine to miss. I'm assuming the information will be on moodle.
*mini stress*
Has everyone else had their course updated on WES? I'm still down as Arts/Sci
Edit: Feeling so ridiculously stupid GRR. If anyone typed notes or anything like that, assuming it wouldn't be too much trouble for you, I would kiss the ground you walked on for a year if you sent me through the assignment info D:
There... really wasn't anything important that they said, at least in our thing. Just a very brief overview of the first assignment. Nothing you can't read up on from the unit guide.
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Does anyone know of anyone who has transferred with a WAM of less than 75%?
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There... really wasn't anything important that they said, at least in our thing. Just a very brief overview of the first assignment. Nothing you can't read up on from the unit guide.
Don't think the unit guide can be found online, and Moodle has not enrolled me into Law Units (or any 2014 units) as yet, so can't find it there.
Just read that ^. So frustrating, wouldn't have gone away if I knew it was important. Our contact at the law faculty said it was fine to miss. I'm assuming the information will be on moodle.
*mini stress*
Has everyone else had their course updated on WES? I'm still down as Arts/Sci
Edit: Feeling so ridiculously stupid GRR. If anyone typed notes or anything like that, assuming it wouldn't be too much trouble for you, I would kiss the ground you walked on for a year if you sent me through the assignment info D:
The ladies there that day said all would have their course changed on WES by last Tuesday (28th Jan). If it still hasn't changed, contact them for info. You may not have changed to the new course because you haven't signed for your credit to transfer to your new course (as we did that day).
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I'll have a look once I actually get some moodle access and look at the assignment!
Any idea when it's due, though, anyone?
Due on April 17 at 10am, but would definitely advise you to start visiting courts for your selected topic before semester starts. You probably won't get much of a chance to do that once semester starts...at least according to the teacher who spoke to us. :-\
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Due on April 17 at 10am, but would definitely advise you to start visiting courts for your selected topic before semester starts. You probably won't get much of a chance to do that once semester starts...at least according to the teacher who spoke to us. :-\
From memory there'll be a bit of a chance once the sem. starts, but yeah, easier to get it done before hand. Imo the easy way is just check the Magistrate's Court times online, head into the city for a couple of hours and sit in on a few cases. They'll mostly be stuff like traffic offences that aren't that exciting, but you can move between them pretty easily and there's usually something in dispute (e.g. even if a def. is pleading guilty to driving while suspended there may be some argument over mitigating factors and such). All you really have to do is sit there and take a few notes, try and get as much detail as you can, but if you don't get everyone's name or don't understand some of what's going on it's no big deal.
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From memory there'll be a bit of a chance once the sem. starts, but yeah, easier to get it done before hand. Imo the easy way is just check the Magistrate's Court times online, head into the city for a couple of hours and sit in on a few cases. They'll mostly be stuff like traffic offences that aren't that exciting, but you can move between them pretty easily and there's usually something in dispute (e.g. even if a def. is pleading guilty to driving while suspended there may be some argument over mitigating factors and such). All you really have to do is sit there and take a few notes, try and get as much detail as you can, but if you don't get everyone's name or don't understand some of what's going on it's no big deal.
Yep, all good advice. When I did it last year I went up to some lady at the front desk to let her know I was doing an assignment, and she wrote down a bunch of courts that had interesting cases/high turnover/something.
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Does anyone know of anyone who has transferred with a WAM of less than 75%?
Some guy I know went to Deakin Law and had a WAM of 71 first year and got an offer for Arts/Law.....
So yeah
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Does Monash favour Monash students for transfers or is there an equal chance to transfer from any university?
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Does Monash favour Monash students for transfers or is there an equal chance to transfer from any university?
From what I heard, they definitely favour Monash students. Apparently, only very limited placements are granted for external transfers.
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Would they favour someone even more if they're already doing law at Monash?
e.g. Arts/Law to Com/Law internal transfer
Due to some weird anomaly you are treated in the same category as non law students trying to transfer into law (meaning they look at your average mark, even though you are already doing law). If you email student services and explain the situation they can usually arrange for your circumstances.
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Hey i was just wondering if it is harder to transfer into a double degree, say the bachelor of commerce/law. i'm thinking of getting into bachelor of business at monash caulfied next year and doing a maths course at the same time as i didn't do methods this year, then transferring into bachelor of commerce/law at monash clayton?
has anyone done anything similar ?
Thanks