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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: xtreme_matt32 on August 11, 2008, 09:46:56 pm
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I plan to do an Arts degree at Melbourne, and then want to do JD at Melbourne aswell. I just wanted to know how the two law courses compare to each other, and if studying at one or the other will give me an advantage when looking for a job, incase i dont get into law at melbourne.
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I have heard from one or two law firms that they simply chuck out applicants that aren't from Melbourne or Monash. Of course, n < 30, therefore that obversation is not statistically significant..
...you're better off going to Melbourne / Monash in other words. You should also consider Arts at Monash (or Melbourne) and doing a lateral entry into Law at Monash.
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You could always do law at LaTrobe, do really well, and then get a masters. That looks more impressive than an LLB or JD, regardless of uni. Also, even though there is a lot of elitism associated with law, you'll be able to get a job as a LaTrobe graduate. I guess it depends what you want, though. Have a look at Monash law also, if it isn't too far away or you think you have a chance of getting the crazy high ENTER required for entry.
Also, as I'm an ANU kid, I can barely make a post about courses unless I say that if you're willing to move up, you can get the most prestigious law degree in the country with a 95 ENTER.
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You could always do law at LaTrobe, do really well, and then get a masters. That looks more impressive than an LLB or JD, regardless of uni. Also, even though there is a lot of elitism associated with law, you'll be able to get a job as a LaTrobe graduate. I guess it depends what you want, though. Have a look at Monash law also, if it isn't too far away or you think you have a chance of getting the crazy high ENTER required for entry.
Also, as I'm an ANU kid, I can barely make a post about courses unless I say that if you're willing to move up, you can get the most prestigious law degree in the country with a 95 ENTER.
Are you being serious? Why are ANU law degrees prestigious?
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I am guessing because ANU is Australia's number one uni, ranked 16th in the world (Melbourne is ranked 27th)
http://www.australian-universities.com/rankings/
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Maybe SoLe confused ANU with ACU which would explain his sense of suprise?
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Yeah that was it...*wink wink*. No i was confused because i have seen documents that say melbourne, then UNSW or the top sydney uni were the number 1&2 unis...I can't really remember where.. Also how does a UWA law degree stack up against UoM and Monash? FINALLY how hard is it to be chosen to transfer from a particular course into law at monash?
Ummm just looked at ANU website. SO lemme get this right, if i get an ENTER of 95.30 for example, i would not be excepted into Melbourne, but could do Law at ANU. Which supposedly is the most prestigious. HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE!?
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There is no Undergrad law at Melbourne anymore so you wouldn't get in even if you got 99.95 lol
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Yeah that was it...*wink wink*. No i was confused because i have seen documents that say melbourne, then UNSW or the top sydney uni were the number 1&2 unis...I can't really remember where.. Also how does a UWA law degree stack up against UoM and Monash? FINALLY how hard is it to be chosen to transfer from a particular course into law at monash?
Ummm just looked at ANU website. SO lemme get this right, if i get an ENTER of 95.30 for example, i would not be excepted into Melbourne, but could do Law at ANU. Which supposedly is the most prestigious. HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE!?
enter scores cutoffs are based on demand, rather then what seems prestigious... people are reluctant to move to Canberra to do law, thats why the cut off is lower
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No, but a higher enter score increases the chance of being selected for Law at melbourne. Also if you get 99 your guaranteed a spot (full fee? :S). By prestigious i meant if i go for a job and i have an ANU law degree and the guy next to me has a UoM degree, which one do they prefer?
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No, but a higher enter score increases the chance of being selected for Law at melbourne. Also if you get 99 your guaranteed a spot (full fee? :S).
No they don't. ENTER is not considered when applying for post-grad law @ melbourne
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So its just your results in the course you chose? Do they prefer certain courses over others?
Also what kind of results would you need?
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No, but a higher enter score increases the chance of being selected for Law at melbourne. Also if you get 99 your guaranteed a spot (full fee? :S).
No they don't. ENTER is not considered when applying for post-grad law @ melbourne
Quoted for untruth.
For a Commonwealth supported place in the graduate degree:
* achieve an ENTER (or equivalent) of 99.9 (achieved in the final year of schooling in Australia by 2010);
For a fee place (Australian or international) in the graduate degree*:
* achieve an ENTER (or equivalent) of 99.0 (achieved in the final year of schooling by 2010);
http://futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/aust/apg/apgpathway.html
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No, but a higher enter score increases the chance of being selected for Law at melbourne. Also if you get 99 your guaranteed a spot (full fee? :S).
Thats true, as long as you don't fail any subjects, if you get 99 your guaranteed a full fee JD spot at Melbourne
By prestigious i meant if i go for a job and i have an ANU law degree and the guy next to me has a UoM degree, which one do they prefer?
There both very prestigious universities. It would depend on your university results. If he did better then you, I'd assume he'd get the job, and vice versa if you did better then him.
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All applicants for the Melbourne JD must sit the Law School Admission Test (LSAT).
For admission in 2009: The registration deadline has been extended for all Australian test centres. Applicants must register for the LSAT by 22 September 2008 to sit the test on 5 October 2008. LSAT Test Centres are located in all Australian capital cities.
http://jd.law.unimelb.edu.au/index.cfm?objectID=CAF648DA-1422-207C-BAB75CE7493ED10C
My interpretation from that is that everyone must sit the LSAT.
Doesn't matter anyway. Chances are he won't get 99.
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Chances are you wont either, but who cares? SO, what kind of results would you need at melbourne uni (undergrad) to get into post-grad law?
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Yeah that was it...*wink wink*. No i was confused because i have seen documents that say melbourne, then UNSW or the top sydney uni were the number 1&2 unis...I can't really remember where.. Also how does a UWA law degree stack up against UoM and Monash? FINALLY how hard is it to be chosen to transfer from a particular course into law at monash?
Ummm just looked at ANU website. SO lemme get this right, if i get an ENTER of 95.30 for example, i would not be excepted into Melbourne, but could do Law at ANU. Which supposedly is the most prestigious. HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE!?
ANU cutoffs aren't based on demand like UMelb and Monash cutoffs; they're fixed every year - the entry requirement for Law hasn't changed for years. Unfortunately students in the last few years have realised how beneficial this is, so lots more undergrads are coming to ANU than there used to be. As a result, accommodation is now at maximum capacity...
But yeah, the point is that ANU may have lower ENTER cutoffs than UMelb or USyd, but is actually a better university. Shock horror.
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Not shock horror...party time! Nah, ANU sounds enticing..however for no apparent reason i was just looking at photos and it seems....well the buildings look dodgy. Interpret that how you want
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ANU has a beautiful campus. Most of the buildings aren't ugly at all, though of course some aren't great...
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enticing...
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there is no guarantee for JD in UoM even if you get 99.95>> you still have to sit the LSAT, do the interview and of course the long application essay expressing your interest, also CV etc..
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there is no guarantee for JD in UoM even if you get 99.95>> you still have to sit the LSAT, do the interview and of course the long application essay expressing your interest, also CV etc..
that really is the depressing thing...however im pretty sure if you get 99 and average 75% on your uni stuff your guaranteed a spot, likewise if you get 99.90/5, guaranteed a CSP spot.
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the entry requirement for Law hasn't changed for years
wasn't it 96.5 in 2006? may have been 2005 or 2004, but I'm positive at one stage - it was 96.5
And apprently its going up this year due to increased applications (I read a thread on BoS by some ANU moderator =/)
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the entry requirement for Law hasn't changed for years
wasn't it 96.5 in 2006? may have been 2005 or 2004, but I'm positive at one stage - it was 96.5
And apprently its going up this year due to increased applications (I read a thread on BoS by some ANU moderator =/)
could have been...
There was an email a week or two ago from the Vice-Chancellor of ANU saying demand at ANU had increased even more this year than last year, so I suppose there's a chance that the entrance requirement might increase. Don't remember reading that in the email though.
Edit: just read the post on BoS. I know the guy who wrote it actually, he's at my college. Anyway, I disagree with him that they'll actually raise it - it's too late in the year to be changing a pretty fixed policy like that.
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Lol, I want to apply for ANU now... I guess it's too late now, huh?
Lol, so if I get into Law at Vic uni (worst to worst) and kill the marks (really good marks in everything), would I be able to transfer to Monash law after one year? This is probably my only option now...
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Lol, so if I get into Law at Vic uni (worst to worst) and kill the marks (really good marks in everything), would I be able to transfer to Monash law after one year? This is probably my only option now...
yes BUT you'd have to repeat 1st year law
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Lol, so if I get into Law at Vic uni (worst to worst) and kill the marks (really good marks in everything), would I be able to transfer to Monash law after one year? This is probably my only option now...
yes BUT you'd have to repeat 1st year law
Aww... So I need to do the whole course all over again at Monash? Well, anything for getting one of the best Law educations in Australia. :)
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yeah, one of my friends did 1 year of commerce/law at VU, came to Monash and she's now doing 2nd year commerce but 1st year law again
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Aww... Is it the same with all Uni's, or just VU? :(
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just VU, and possibly Deakin?
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just VU, and possibly Deakin?
La Trobe? Hehe, so many mediocre University's; all just to get into Monash!