Muslim outrage

[enwiabe]

Excalibur, I expressly replied to your question in my post.

[excal]

Excalibur, I expressly replied to your question in my post.

I'm seeking a response from the others (magnum et al), but thanks.

[Collin Li]

Also, my question remains unanswered - if dressing in scant (i.e., bikini) clothing in some Muslim countries can get females imprisoned or, at worst, executed, then why can't Italy/France ban Muslim swimwear?

Government's role is not to facilitate the demands of those who wish to impose their will upon others - it is to prevent others from imposing their will upon others. In other words, government should direct its resources against the imprisoners and executionists, rather than to appease the terrorist coercers.

[rhjc.1991]

Muslim women want to wear Burquinis -> Let them do so
Muslim men force Muslim women to wear Burqas -> No, no

With the naturist argument, freedom should be allowed as long as it does not harm other people. Otherwise we will have Satanists going around killing people for religion and cults engaging in pedophilia.
- Muslim women wearing Burquinis -> does not harm other people
- People walking around naked -> may cause psychological shock to children and other non-naturists

[xXNovaxX]

+1

[xXNovaxX]

I actually don't think you're in the right thread. If you look at all the above posts, none show explicit signs of humour, the above post was actually being thoguhtful, and intelligent in his statement, and i was merely going with it. Had he been making a joke, then yes my tone would shift into a more casual one.

[wombifat]

no i meant the "+1 to the last two posts." the guy was kidding

[xXNovaxX]

i don't get it lol.

[kdgamz]

Muslim women want to wear Burquinis -> Let them do so
Muslim men force Muslim women to wear Burqas -> No, no

With the naturist argument, freedom should be allowed as long as it does not harm other people. Otherwise we will have Satanists going around killing people for religion and cults engaging in pedophilia.
- Muslim women wearing Burquinis -> does not harm other people
- People walking around naked -> may cause psychological shock to children and other non-naturists

my point exactly...thank you...thats what i meant ninwa... maybe naked people would not have been disturbing for you as a kid..but it definitely is for other kids.

[magnum]

^^ showing ones private areas(naturlists) is different to HIDING them(muslims/otehr rlegions). Hence we have movie classifcation as well as for games for it is widely accepted as in decent exposure, hence to it is a law.. Showing a persons genitals can be sexually suggestive in many instances, and provocative. Wearing headscarves, burqas etc isn't sexually suggestive.....until u have wild fantasy's LMAOOOO, i completely turned this topic around =.=*. sorry.

The point still remains that it isn't a matter of just giving everyone the same choice on what they should or should not wear. Some people, as stated above, believe that they should exist how 'God' created them, and by removing their choice on whether or not they should be able to walk around in the nude is very similar to taking away Muslim's choice on wearing their traditional clothing. Either choice on attire may or may not be offensive and is totally reliant on society's perception.

Mayor Gianluca Buonanno said that "a masked woman" would "disturb small children", u tell me wats more disturbing: a nude person or a fully covered muslim woman... use a little common sense... "small children"  are INNOCENT. hence what xXNovaxX  was saying about classifications is right... children are too young for that type of indecent exposure, regardless of society's perception..

+1  xXNovaxX  and  kdgamz

Also, my question remains unanswered - if dressing in scant (i.e., bikini) clothing in some Muslim countries can get females imprisoned or, at worst, executed, then why can't Italy/France ban Muslim swimwear?

Government's role is not to facilitate the demands of those who wish to impose their will upon others - it is to prevent others from imposing their will upon others. In other words, government should direct its resources against the imprisoners and executionists, rather than to appease the terrorist coercers.

+1. Spot on coblin

Muslim women want to wear Burquinis -> Let them do so
Muslim men force Muslim women to wear Burqas -> No, no

With the naturist argument, freedom should be allowed as long as it does not harm other people. Otherwise we will have Satanists going around killing people for religion and cults engaging in pedophilia.
- Muslim women wearing Burquinis -> does not harm other people
- People walking around naked -> may cause psychological shock to children and other non-naturists

+1. excellent arguments rhjc.1991

Excalibur, I expressly replied to your question in my post.

I'm seeking a response from the others (magnum et al), but thanks.

its clear that the majority of posts in this topic mirror my own opinion

[kdgamz]

i can tell you right now that the sight of a nude person to a small kid is VERY disturbing, as it'll bring questions to the kids' minds about things that you should only learn much later in life.

How do you know this?

When I was a young child the sight of a naked body certainly did not disturb me, because I was too young to associate it with sexuality, and not mature enough to understand the concept of modesty. That's why I, and many of my neighbours' children who were my age, were perfectly happy to run around half naked under sprinklers and whatnot in the summer.

thats different...
u ran around with other half naked KIDS....im pretty sure u would have thought something was wrong if an adult started to run around naked.........imagine that

[kdgamz]

^^ showing ones private areas(naturlists) is different to HIDING them(muslims/otehr rlegions). Hence we have movie classifcation as well as for games for it is widely accepted as in decent exposure, hence to it is a law.. Showing a persons genitals can be sexually suggestive in many instances, and provocative. Wearing headscarves, burqas etc isn't sexually suggestive.....until u have wild fantasy's LMAOOOO, i completely turned this topic around =.=*. sorry.

The point still remains that it isn't a matter of just giving everyone the same choice on what they should or should not wear. Some people, as stated above, believe that they should exist how 'God' created them, and by removing their choice on whether or not they should be able to walk around in the nude is very similar to taking away Muslim's choice on wearing their traditional clothing. Either choice on attire may or may not be offensive and is totally reliant on society's perception.

Mayor Gianluca Buonanno said that "a masked woman" would "disturb small children", u tell me wats more disturbing: a nude person or a fully covered muslim woman... use a little common sense... "small children"  are INNOCENT. hence what xXNovaxX  was saying about classifications is right... children are too young for that type of indecent exposure, regardless of society's perception..

+1  xXNovaxX  and  kdgamz

Also, my question remains unanswered - if dressing in scant (i.e., bikini) clothing in some Muslim countries can get females imprisoned or, at worst, executed, then why can't Italy/France ban Muslim swimwear?

Government's role is not to facilitate the demands of those who wish to impose their will upon others - it is to prevent others from imposing their will upon others. In other words, government should direct its resources against the imprisoners and executionists, rather than to appease the terrorist coercers.

+1. Spot on coblin

Muslim women want to wear Burquinis -> Let them do so
Muslim men force Muslim women to wear Burqas -> No, no

With the naturist argument, freedom should be allowed as long as it does not harm other people. Otherwise we will have Satanists going around killing people for religion and cults engaging in pedophilia.
- Muslim women wearing Burquinis -> does not harm other people
- People walking around naked -> may cause psychological shock to children and other non-naturists

+1. excellent arguments rhjc.1991

Excalibur, I expressly replied to your question in my post.

I'm seeking a response from the others (magnum et al), but thanks.

its clear that the majority of posts in this topic mirror my own opinion

SHUTDOWN...magnum 1..Excalibur and ninwa 0

I gotta seriously start putting in more posts so that i can give karma to all the people with fantastic arguments (i.e. magnum, methodsboy, xXNovaxX etc)

[cns1511]

Muslim women want to wear Burquinis -> Let them do so
Muslim men force Muslim women to wear Burqas -> No, no

With the naturist argument, freedom should be allowed as long as it does not harm other people. Otherwise we will have Satanists going around killing people for religion and cults engaging in pedophilia.
- Muslim women wearing Burquinis -> does not harm other people
- People walking around naked -> may cause psychological shock to children and other non-naturists

my point exactly...thank you...thats what i meant ninwa... maybe naked people would not have been disturbing for you as a kid..but it definitely is for other kids.

The site of a naked person, who is not being sexually suggestive in any way, generally tends to only be disturbing to children who have been sheltered from such things all of their lives or have been taught that nudity is 'bad'. This has caused more harm than good in a lot of instances that I have seen. I know many people who have grown up in such a way and it has left them highly self conscious and often confused during and after the normal 'sexual education' classes over the years. This is in no way going to be the case for all children, but it is what I have found from personal experience.
A similar situation occurs when children are conditioned to fear "masked" women. Parents become over protective (and in some cases are just racist) and teach their children, intentionally or unintentionally, that such clad women are to be feared, hence resulting in the children perceiving the "masked" women as disturbing.

[minilunchbox]

^^ showing ones private areas(naturlists) is different to HIDING them(muslims/otehr rlegions). Hence we have movie classifcation as well as for games for it is widely accepted as in decent exposure, hence to it is a law.. Showing a persons genitals can be sexually suggestive in many instances, and provocative. Wearing headscarves, burqas etc isn't sexually suggestive.....until u have wild fantasy's LMAOOOO, i completely turned this topic around =.=*. sorry.

The point still remains that it isn't a matter of just giving everyone the same choice on what they should or should not wear. Some people, as stated above, believe that they should exist how 'God' created them, and by removing their choice on whether or not they should be able to walk around in the nude is very similar to taking away Muslim's choice on wearing their traditional clothing. Either choice on attire may or may not be offensive and is totally reliant on society's perception.

Mayor Gianluca Buonanno said that "a masked woman" would "disturb small children", u tell me wats more disturbing: a nude person or a fully covered muslim woman... use a little common sense... "small children"  are INNOCENT. hence what xXNovaxX  was saying about classifications is right... children are too young for that type of indecent exposure, regardless of society's perception..

Children are not too young for that type of 'indecent' exposure. It is a natural thing and I don't see how it would cause any psychological harm. Overly skinny models and pictures which have been photoshopped excessively are the type of images that cause psychological harm as they lead to things like eating disorders because children would not know what a normal, natural body is supposed to look like as they are growing up because they have been protected and sheltered.

Also, since this ban is not being enforced here, European countries view public nudity differently to Australia and in some places there are no indecent exposure laws and public nudity is considered a right. And movie/game classifications differ between countries. You would find that most of the movies here that get MA15+/R ratings due to nudity will have MUCH lower ratings in a European country (some of them I actually find ridiculous but hey). What's interesting (and becoming slightly off-topic now) is that we find it easier to expose children to violence than nudity no-no while it is the opposite in other countries.

[kdgamz]

^^ showing ones private areas(naturlists) is different to HIDING them(muslims/otehr rlegions). Hence we have movie classifcation as well as for games for it is widely accepted as in decent exposure, hence to it is a law.. Showing a persons genitals can be sexually suggestive in many instances, and provocative. Wearing headscarves, burqas etc isn't sexually suggestive.....until u have wild fantasy's LMAOOOO, i completely turned this topic around =.=*. sorry.

The point still remains that it isn't a matter of just giving everyone the same choice on what they should or should not wear. Some people, as stated above, believe that they should exist how 'God' created them, and by removing their choice on whether or not they should be able to walk around in the nude is very similar to taking away Muslim's choice on wearing their traditional clothing. Either choice on attire may or may not be offensive and is totally reliant on society's perception.

Mayor Gianluca Buonanno said that "a masked woman" would "disturb small children", u tell me wats more disturbing: a nude person or a fully covered muslim woman... use a little common sense... "small children"  are INNOCENT. hence what xXNovaxX  was saying about classifications is right... children are too young for that type of indecent exposure, regardless of society's perception..

Children are not too young for that type of 'indecent' exposure. It is a natural thing and I don't see how it would cause any psychological harm. Overly skinny models and pictures which have been photoshopped excessively are the type of images that cause psychological harm as they lead to things like eating disorders because children would not know what a normal, natural body is supposed to look like as they are growing up because they have been protected and sheltered.

Also, since this ban is not being enforced here, European countries view public nudity differently to Australia and in some places there are no indecent exposure laws and public nudity is considered a right. And movie/game classifications differ between countries. You would find that most of the movies here that get MA15+/R ratings due to nudity will have MUCH lower ratings in a European country (some of them I actually find ridiculous but hey). What's interesting (and becoming slightly off-topic now) is that we find it easier to expose children to violence than nudity no-no while it is the opposite in other countries.

Im not sure if u saw it, but some time ago, it was on the news that violent video games may actually help kids deal with violence (ex: domestic etc), whereas i haven't heard of anything that suggests exposing children to nude people will be beneficial to them in any way.

btw....slowly... and steadily..new posts are trailing off the topic
the bottom line is: let muslim women wear "burqinis" for the many reasons mentioned in previous posts.