free laptops for muslim students [offtopic]

[Yitzi_K]

The matter of fact here  Chavi, is that you've gone too far and it would be in the best interest of a mojority that you quit acting like a child and grow up. To be quite frank, you're really not doing anything by providing evidence even if you think you are.


okay you've provided evidence and all, what more do you want? you can call HIA  a terrorist organisation and what not, but really thats your decision and you've made it clear to everyone here you don't support them in any way whatsoever. Now that you've done that let it go, cause you're not changing our minds about it!

So despite the evidence, you will continue to support HAI?

despite the false evidence?  yes I glady would!

Care to share how you know so very definitively that it's all false? And also why you would still support them when there is even the slightest shadow of doubt as to their supposedly pure actions, which clearly there is?

understand that  not EVERYTHING on the internet is all truth...

That's correct. But nor is it all false.

[superflya]

i believe you, chavi, brought up the blockade

[Abdi]

understand that  not EVERYTHING on the internet is all truth...

you may make it look like you're sourcing evidence and claims of HIA being a terrorist organisation when really it is either false of exaggerated! Nevertheless, If it were to be, Australia would have done something about it a long time ago, After all, they've established anti-terrorism laws haven't they?

Classic argument from fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

You're argument:

• IHAI hasn't been banned in Australia
  but other terror organization have been
  therefore, HAI has no links to terrorism

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

The merits of the perfectly legal, justified and humane blockade are that the civilian residents of southern Israel are not bombarded by advanced foreign-made missiles on a daily basis. As it is, due to the blockade, Hamas is only able to rain down thousands of crude home-made rockets. Were it for not for the blockade, I shudder to think what the region would be like.

And even if that means that a few Gazans who voted Hamas into power out of their own choosing have to go hungry, then I'm still all for it. Having said that, no Gazans are starving, the warehouses and markets are literally overflowing with food, lots of it provided by Israel despite it being an enemy entity which Israel has completely withdrawn from.

merely a bully-like tactic employed by Isreal who simply can't deal with the fact that Hamas was rightfully voted in by the people.

overflowing wahhh..

http://www.juancole.com/2010/01/world-health-agencies-condemn-israeli.html

Why are you changing the topic? Rather than defended HAI, you've resorted to attacking Israel. Perhaps there is nothing to defend?

Fallacious arguments can arrive at true conclusions!

[Yitzi_K]

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

The merits of the perfectly legal, justified and humane blockade are that the civilian residents of southern Israel are not bombarded by advanced foreign-made missiles on a daily basis. As it is, due to the blockade, Hamas is only able to rain down thousands of crude home-made rockets. Were it for not for the blockade, I shudder to think what the region would be like.

And even if that means that a few Gazans who voted Hamas into power out of their own choosing have to go hungry, then I'm still all for it. Having said that, no Gazans are starving, the warehouses and markets are literally overflowing with food, lots of it provided by Israel despite it being an enemy entity which Israel has completely withdrawn from.

merely a bully-like tactic employed by Isreal who simply can't deal with the fact that Hamas was rightfully voted in by the people.

overflowing wahhh..

http://www.juancole.com/2010/01/world-health-agencies-condemn-israeli.html

The fact that the people of Gaza voted in a terrorist organisation is all the more reason for the entire place to be blockaded...

[Yitzi_K]

understand that  not EVERYTHING on the internet is all truth...

you may make it look like you're sourcing evidence and claims of HIA being a terrorist organisation when really it is either false of exaggerated! Nevertheless, If it were to be, Australia would have done something about it a long time ago, After all, they've established anti-terrorism laws haven't they?

Classic argument from fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

You're argument:

• IHAI hasn't been banned in Australia
  but other terror organization have been
  therefore, HAI has no links to terrorism

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

The merits of the perfectly legal, justified and humane blockade are that the civilian residents of southern Israel are not bombarded by advanced foreign-made missiles on a daily basis. As it is, due to the blockade, Hamas is only able to rain down thousands of crude home-made rockets. Were it for not for the blockade, I shudder to think what the region would be like.

And even if that means that a few Gazans who voted Hamas into power out of their own choosing have to go hungry, then I'm still all for it. Having said that, no Gazans are starving, the warehouses and markets are literally overflowing with food, lots of it provided by Israel despite it being an enemy entity which Israel has completely withdrawn from.

merely a bully-like tactic employed by Isreal who simply can't deal with the fact that Hamas was rightfully voted in by the people.

overflowing wahhh..

http://www.juancole.com/2010/01/world-health-agencies-condemn-israeli.html

Why are you changing the topic? Rather than defended HAI, you've resorted to attacking Israel. Perhaps there is nothing to defend?

Fallacious arguments can arrive at true conclusions!

... just not in this case.

[Chavi]

understand that  not EVERYTHING on the internet is all truth...

you may make it look like you're sourcing evidence and claims of HIA being a terrorist organisation when really it is either false of exaggerated! Nevertheless, If it were to be, Australia would have done something about it a long time ago, After all, they've established anti-terrorism laws haven't they?

Classic argument from fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

You're argument:

• IHAI hasn't been banned in Australia
  but other terror organization have been
  therefore, HAI has no links to terrorism

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

The merits of the perfectly legal, justified and humane blockade are that the civilian residents of southern Israel are not bombarded by advanced foreign-made missiles on a daily basis. As it is, due to the blockade, Hamas is only able to rain down thousands of crude home-made rockets. Were it for not for the blockade, I shudder to think what the region would be like.

And even if that means that a few Gazans who voted Hamas into power out of their own choosing have to go hungry, then I'm still all for it. Having said that, no Gazans are starving, the warehouses and markets are literally overflowing with food, lots of it provided by Israel despite it being an enemy entity which Israel has completely withdrawn from.

merely a bully-like tactic employed by Isreal who simply can't deal with the fact that Hamas was rightfully voted in by the people.

overflowing wahhh..

http://www.juancole.com/2010/01/world-health-agencies-condemn-israeli.html

Why are you changing the topic? Rather than defended HAI, you've resorted to attacking Israel. Perhaps there is nothing to defend?

Fallacious arguments can arrive at true conclusions!

You've completely ignored the evidence. You're conclusions have no substance, and you haven't based them on anything other than a fallacy.

[Lukman]

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

wow thats very very low...

[Yitzi_K]

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

wow thats very very low...

Why exactly? Do you not agree that those who would vote to be led by a genocidal terror group deserve to be punished?

[superflya]

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

wow thats very very low...

Why exactly? Do you not agree that those who would vote to be led by a genocidal terror group deserve to be punished?

punished for expressing their right to elect who ever the hell they want to lead them?

this is where the problem lies, to the people of palestine, hamas are not a genocidal terror group.

[Abdi]

Hamas is not a terrorist organization. Period

It is only given the defenition of a terrorist organisation according to the US which is influenced by pro-Zionist and Israeli Lobbies taking advantaged of what was announced by President Bush as  “War on Terror”

Hope this lightens up this rant!

http://www.articlesbase.com/negotiation-articles/hamas-is-not-a-terrorist-organization-period-841491.html

[Abdi]

definition*

[Yitzi_K]

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

wow thats very very low...

Why exactly? Do you not agree that those who would vote to be led by a genocidal terror group deserve to be punished?

punished for expressing their right to elect who ever the hell they want to lead them?

this is where the problem lies, to the people of palestine, hamas are not a genocidal terror group.

Then the people of non-existent 'palestine' are wrong. The following is a direct quote from Hamas' charter:

The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).

Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

[Lukman]

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

wow thats very very low...

Why exactly? Do you not agree that those who would vote to be led by a genocidal terror group deserve to be punished?

All reasons aside, everything aside. "'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger." I cannot believe anyone could say that and be supported so strongly. Utterly disgusting and inhumane. My heart goes out to all those being oppressed in Palestine and the rest of the world. Everyone should know terrorism isn't just by "Islamic" terrorists, there are such things as "Christian" terrorists, "Jewish" terrorists and other " insert " terrorists. It's just not publicised as much in the media for obvious reasons. All acts of terror should be halted. nuff said

[superflya]

seriously, merits to the inhumane blockade?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

wow thats very very low...

Why exactly? Do you not agree that those who would vote to be led by a genocidal terror group deserve to be punished?

punished for expressing their right to elect who ever the hell they want to lead them?

this is where the problem lies, to the people of palestine, hamas are not a genocidal terror group.

Then the people of non-existent 'palestine' are wrong. The following is a direct quote from Hamas' charter:

The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).

Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

dude, who are u to pass such judgements as to whether they are right or wrong.

*sighhh* adios.

[Yitzi_K]

Hamas is not a terrorist organization. Period

It is only given the defenition of a terrorist organisation according to the US which is influenced by pro-Zionist and Israeli Lobbies taking advantaged of what was announced by President Bush as  “War on Terror”

Hope this lightens up this rant!

http://www.articlesbase.com/negotiation-articles/hamas-is-not-a-terrorist-organization-period-841491.html

I knew this would come, the inevitable legitmisation of Hamas. I personally have witnessed Hamas' rocket fire at civilian communities. Believe me, if you'd ever found yourself crouching under a table praying that the incoming rocket that has been expressly targeted at civilians is not going to hit you like I have, you'd agree that Hamas is every bit a terrorist organisation.

I don't want to descend to personal attacks, but your statement makes my blood boil. Anyone who claims Hamas is not a terrorist group is a complete scumbag.