The Cricket Thread

[Joseph41]

Nice to see Tim Paine getting the captaincy for the rest of the test (hopefully that means he wasn't involved) should be getting smith going fine leg to fine leg

It's been a big year for Paine, hey?

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Uh oh. uh oh. Uh oh.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/counter-claims-as-key-smith-declaration-challenged-by-south-africa/news-story/fae9d3b071eb2d569327732eeaa364f0

Big Bash League star Chris Lynn admitted ball-tampering wasn’t the “Australian way”, but said it was more prevalent in cricket at all levels than horrified supporters might think.

His comments come as South African cricketing great Fanie de Villers put the sword to Australia, claiming the tourists were tampering with the ball in matches leading up to the third Test where the Australian side was caught out.

Addressing media on Monday, Lynn refused to condemn banned Test skipper Steve Smith or any of the current players, saying “every cricketer” had engaged in the dark art at some point to differing degrees.

THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME (IF IT HAD ANY IS FULLY IN DOUBT NOW)......

JESUS...what a trainwreck...

[Sine]

there is now a video of bancroft putting sugar in his pockets during the ashes so the whole apology and "first time" defence is gone. EDIT: and obviously they had been doing it previously - just not caught.

[Poet]

Uh oh. uh oh. Uh oh.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/counter-claims-as-key-smith-declaration-challenged-by-south-africa/news-story/fae9d3b071eb2d569327732eeaa364f0

THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME (IF IT HAD ANY IS FULLY IN DOUBT NOW)......

JESUS...what a trainwreck...

there is now a video of bancroft putting sugar in his pockets during the ashes so the whole apology and "first time" defence is gone. EDIT: and obviously they had been doing it previously - just not caught.

What's that sound? Oh, it's me, smacking those jerks upside the head.
Trainwreck indeed. Probably the most disappointing news I've heard in a while.
I thought our team might be better than this. Where's the honor? The integrity? The pride of doing it right?
The basic structure of rules and regulations?

edit: You'd think that maybe we could be better than cheating and then trying to defend it by basically saying "everybody's doing it".

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Inb4 ashes stripped from the Aussies ..:

Inb4 another investigation

Lol.

[Rod]

Anybody see the footage of Bancroft shoving a handful of sugar in his pockets before going out to play? The footage was from January (Ashes). Gee!!

I honestly don't know how to feel about this! WC less than a year away, this is going to ruin everything.

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thoughts on possible punishments from CA?

the fact that it took this long and these events to be the tipping point for everyone to realise that Warner has no right to be in any positon of leadership is probably one of the funniest (and saddest) part of it.

Also first test of the series starc took 9 wickets with reverse swing  hmmm

[Yertle the Turtle]

thoughts on possible punishments from CA?

the fact that it took this long and these events to be the tipping point for everyone to realise that Warner has no right to be in any positon of leadership is probably one of the funniest (and saddest) part of it.

Also first test of the series starc took 9 wickets with reverse swing  hmmm

What people don't seem to realise is that it is hard to get away with ball-tampering. The umps and the camera is basically always watching the ball, so I think it is unlikely that Aus has done this in the past, since they haven't been caught doing it yet. I think that Warner will get a 1-2 year ban, Smith a 6 month ban and loss of the captaincy, and probably Lehmann will get sacked. Warner should have gone ages ago, but I think that there need to be some added punishment for SA, for all the sledging that happened.
I also think that the last Test should be cancelled, this has gone beyond the cricket and needs to be fixed up ASAP.

[Joseph41]

What people don't seem to realise is that it is hard to get away with ball-tampering. The umps and the camera is basically always watching the ball, so I think it is unlikely that Aus has done this in the past, since they haven't been caught doing it yet. I think that Warner will get a 1-2 year ban, Smith a 6 month ban and loss of the captaincy, and probably Lehmann will get sacked. Warner should have gone ages ago, but I think that there need to be some added punishment for SA, for all the sledging that happened.
I also think that the last Test should be cancelled, this has gone beyond the cricket and needs to be fixed up ASAP.

Added punishment for SA from whom? The ICC?

[Yertle the Turtle]

Added punishment for SA from whom? The ICC?

Yep. That Rabada bump was not too much of a problem in itself, but the underlying issue is that he has no control, and he is not being controlled by his team-mates. Similarly, de Kock got off really easily for his comments about Warner's wife while everyone was calling for Warner's head. Again, everyone bagged Aus for the sledging they do, when the main people doing sledging this series was SA. Something needs to be done about this, imo.

[Rod]

Okay so this is unrelated to all this, but it's really gotten me so angry.

It's how Kohli is about to ditch the national side and play country cricket. He averages 13.40 in England, with this county stint he can get used to conditions and then dominate the World Cup next year. They did the SAME thing before the 2015 World Cup. Prior to it they were the ONLY TEAM that was allowed to tour Australia for about TWO MONTHS so everyone could get used to conditions .This allowed India to have that advantage over all other nations (but Australia) who would be playing in unfamiliar conditions.

It all seems as if everything is SET UP and STRUCTURED so that India do well. And no wonder, they are the biggest source of money for ICC, when India were knocked out by Bangladesh in the 2007 World Cup, and were restricted to only playing 2 games, The Economist estimated ICC lost millions of dollars.

Like, cricket is supposed to be about nations coming together and playing a gentleman's game. There's so much bias towards these bigger nations like India where they've structured everything so that they do well. They play SO MANY more matches in a season compared to everyone else as well. And don't get me started on IPL!!! We've got players like Joffra Archer (the quickest West-Indian bowler in the world atm) who has neglected contracts from West-Indies so he could just play 2020 competitions around the world and soak up that $$$.

[Sine]

What people don't seem to realise is that it is hard to get away with ball-tampering. The umps and the camera is basically always watching the ball, so I think it is unlikely that Aus has done this in the past, since they haven't been caught doing it yet. I think that Warner will get a 1-2 year ban, Smith a 6 month ban and loss of the captaincy, and probably Lehmann will get sacked. Warner should have gone ages ago, but I think that there need to be some added punishment for SA, for all the sledging that happened.
I also think that the last Test should be cancelled, this has gone beyond the cricket and needs to be fixed up ASAP.

sugar in bancrofts pockets? So we know for sure they have done it through the SA series + ashes. Like many I feel you fail to miss the point that it isn't just about the ball tampering (which is officially a minor offence) but the systematic way in which they developed a plan to cheat and also the toxic culture (and individuals) in the australian team along with the social impact an event like this has.

Also to add to this today we found out that the "leadership group" didn't know about it but only smith/warner/bancroft. So Smith not only cheated but lied by trying to throw everyone under the bus.

hmm if SA need punishment for sledging I don't think a aus cricket team would even exist in that type of world tbh. I think before we start thinking about the problems with other countires and asking for them to be punished our country shouldn't be cheating.

Yep. That Rabada bump was not too much of a problem in itself, but the underlying issue is that he has no control, and he is not being controlled by his team-mates. Similarly, de Kock got off really easily for his comments about Warner's wife while everyone was calling for Warner's head. Again, everyone bagged Aus for the sledging they do, when the main people doing sledging this series was SA. Something needs to be done about this, imo.

how does rabada have no control which specific examples are you referring to?

The sledging has already been addressed really well on this thread by Rod.

I find it ironic that the Australians are whinging about sledging getting too personal. Australia were the first to introduce sledging in cricket. I've read that in the 80s era there being A LOT of racism towards West Indians, Pakistanis and Indians touring Australia - players being called ''curry munchers'', ''niggas'' etc. Even in the last ten years; Waugh, Ponting, Clarke have all gotten involved into many incidences like this (e.g. Clarke telling Anderson that he'll ''break his fucking arm'' and what he said to Dale Steyn).

What do you guys think? De Cock doesn't look like a guy that would randomly abuse anyone, let alone Warner. I'm sure something was said to him which led to the Candice comment. What goes around comes around. If you can't handle being on the receiving end, then why be the one to start it?

[Joseph41]

Smith - 12 months
Warner - 12 months
Bancroft - 9 months

I feel that's appropriate. I don't think Warner will play for Australia again. Gut feeling.

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Smith - 12 months
Warner - 12 months
Bancroft - 9 months

I feel that's appropriate. I don't think Warner will play for Australia again. Gut feeling.

Appropriate. Warner does have the most "adventurous" history.

Who do you think will replace them?
- Renshaw is definitely in!
- Handscomb.. maybe?

[Joseph41]

Appropriate. Warner does have the most "adventurous" history.

Who do you think will replace them?
- Renshaw is definitely in!
- Handscomb.. maybe?

I'd imagine something like:

1 Renshaw
2 Burns
3 Khawaja
4 Handscomb
5 S Marsh
6 M Marsh
7 Paine*
8 Cummins
9 Starc
10 Lyon
11 Hazlewood

12 Maxwell