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« Reply #90 on: October 07, 2009, 09:38:34 pm »
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I think the problem caused was because of the modulus (don't know the exact question so I can't say for sure but either way should work). If you were to check to see if you either use the + or - function of the modulus, you should sub in an initial condition to check which part works. But yeah without the actual question I can't say anymore.
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« Reply #91 on: October 07, 2009, 09:41:16 pm »
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Ah I see now. Yeah, it was due to initial conditions =_=
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« Reply #92 on: October 07, 2009, 09:47:23 pm »
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TT is right. In an applied question the initial condition will tell you whether it should be positive or negative. e.g: if the volume was less than 108 at some point in time, it's the negative.

As a cool hint I enjoyed using:

note that when solving:









hence the constant will contain the positive or negative information. Hence I suggest instead of putting +c just go straight into .

Likewise for definite integrals:




since the cancels out and hence no need to worry about +/-. (this is also a good way of noticing that is undefined)
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« Reply #93 on: October 07, 2009, 11:31:30 pm »
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In a question, it wanted me to show that is never perpendicular to
Their method was:

How ever, I did this (near the last step):

no real solution
r(t) never perpendicular to a(t).

Oh, and before I did my step, I had said that if r(t) perpendicular to a(t) then r(t).a(t)=0. That's how I ended up with the equality.

Is my method okay?
« Last Edit: October 07, 2009, 11:33:33 pm by dekoyl »

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« Reply #94 on: October 07, 2009, 11:35:36 pm »
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Yeap, I don't see any mistakes :)
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« Reply #95 on: October 07, 2009, 11:39:50 pm »
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Another :S
(Thanks for the one before, TT :) )

Given a,b are non-zero, positive constants, they want me to find maximum speed. Their method:


My method: I did and ended up with
I figured that and .
Subbing it in, I got

Am I right as well?

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« Reply #96 on: October 07, 2009, 11:40:32 pm »
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previous question: your method is even better since it's more general. ie: 0=3(f(t))^2+1 has no solutions where the range of f(t) is real.

next question: The question doesn't say what constants give maximum speed, but rather if the constants are already chosen, what is the maximum speed for those particular constants. I've seen people struggle with this before.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2009, 11:43:28 pm by kamil9876 »
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« Reply #97 on: October 07, 2009, 11:41:22 pm »
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Cool :P Thanks kamil!

Oh right. Hmm, I'll look at it again.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2009, 11:48:16 pm by dekoyl »

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« Reply #98 on: October 07, 2009, 11:42:29 pm »
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lol this question I remember it, was it kilbaha or something?

anyways, I think for this one their answer is correct because normally you don't get 2 variables but here you do so you gotta consider 1 cases. Which is what they did for different values of a, why did they consider a? Because that is coefficient in front of the cos. And we know that cos^2 is always positive, that means a negative and positive coefficients could have different effects on the function.

So yeah I think it's best to do it their way.
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« Reply #99 on: October 07, 2009, 11:43:36 pm »
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your method is even better since it's more general. ie: 0=3(f(t))^2+1 has no solutions where the range of f(t) is real.
I dono man when I checked this Q with you, I remember you going on and on :P

EDIT: oh shit I thought you meant it for dekoyl's most recent question, my bad!
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« Reply #100 on: October 07, 2009, 11:49:13 pm »
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lol this question I remember it, was it kilbaha or something?

anyways, I think for this one their answer is correct because normally you don't get 2 variables but here you do so you gotta consider 1 cases. Which is what they did for different values of a, why did they consider a? Because that is coefficient in front of the cos. And we know that cos^2 is always positive, that means a negative and positive coefficients could have different effects on the function.

So yeah I think it's best to do it their way.
Thanks; I'll do it there way then :)
« Last Edit: October 08, 2009, 11:06:10 pm by dekoyl »

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Re: Dekoyl's Questions
« Reply #101 on: October 08, 2009, 04:37:44 pm »
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My method: I did and ended up with
I figured that and .
Subbing it in, I got

Am I right as well?

your fallacy is in that when you solve for , a and b are constants, the only variable is t. Hence the solution is

Substituting that into



When n is even (n=2k), we have , , thus

When n is odd (n=2k+1), we have , thus

both of these are maximum speeds, so we need to determine which one is greater. This involves restraints on the constants:

if , hence if a>1 (since it is non-zero positive), the first expression is valid. Otherwise the second expression will be greater.

So your method does work, but you solved for the wrong thing :)
And also, the method shown in the exam solutions (simplification of trig terms in the sqrt) is an easier method than this. Especially since questions in the actual exam won't be nearly as complicated.

« Last Edit: October 08, 2009, 04:43:03 pm by Mao »
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« Reply #102 on: October 08, 2009, 11:11:34 pm »
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A general question:
When you project an object down a slope (say at 10m/s) and when you let it roll down the slope, why is the acceleration of the object down the plane the same? Oh, and the slope is not smooth, if that makes a difference.
I did some question without thinking, getting (parallel to the plane) but then wondered why I didn't take the speed that the object is projected down the slope at into account.

I'm just thinking in extreme cases, but if you fire a cannon ball down a slope, as opposed to letting the cannon ball roll down, is the acceleration really the same?
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« Reply #103 on: October 08, 2009, 11:35:21 pm »
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Even though something is travelling very fast, doesn't mean it's acceleration is great. Likewise something can have a small speed but large acceleration.
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« Reply #104 on: October 08, 2009, 11:51:28 pm »
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Acceleration stays the same so long as the forces acting on it are the same. [Consequence of Newton's second law]

So here, an object moves down the slope, it is subjected to friction, gravity and N. Since none of these are dependant on velocity, its initial velocity will not affect the acceleration.

This seems counter-intuitive, but it is true. The projected object will simply get to the bottom of the slope faster due to greater velocity, but acceleration is the same in both cases.

However, in real life with air resistance (a fluid friction ), a projected particle will actually experience less acceleration down the slope since there will be greater air resistance. However, it will still get to the bottom of the slope faster.
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