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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1380 on: July 12, 2014, 03:29:08 pm »
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Echoing slothpomba's comments about "close to passing with good tute attendance" grades being bumped up to 50. I've had unit coordinators tell us very specifically in revision lectures that they review all the near-passes and do bump some people up. They point this out because they don't want you to email asking to be bumped up to a pass, because they already considered doing it before marks were released.

I missed only 2 tutes and was late to 1 (I don't know how this was marked late, I walked in literally 15 mins late and I've heard people walk in an hour late and nothing happens), out of the 11.

Also 17/20 on lecture attendance.

Assuming I get like a 47-49, what are my chances of being bumped up if the examiner or whoever marks the unit considers bumping people up?

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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1381 on: July 12, 2014, 07:24:34 pm »
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I missed only 2 tutes and was late to 1 (I don't know how this was marked late, I walked in literally 15 mins late and I've heard people walk in an hour late and nothing happens), out of the 11.

Also 17/20 on lecture attendance.

Assuming I get like a 47-49, what are my chances of being bumped up if the examiner or whoever marks the unit considers bumping people up?

There's no way of predicting it, sorry. You'll just have to wait and see.

What happens in most cases is that the student has failed the final exam by a small margin and therefore has failed a hurdle requirement and has a maximum final mark of 48. However, if it's a case where the student would've passed the unit overall had it not been for the final exam hurdle requirement, then the unit coordinator might bump up your final exam mark to a 50, so you get an overall passing grade.


Example:

In-Semester Assessment: Worth 70%, scored 80/100
Exam: Worth 30%, scored 49/100

Final Mark: 70 x (80/100) + 30 x (49/100) = 70.7
BUT because of the failed hurdle requirement, the final mark is reduced to 48.


It's in this sort of circumstance that the unit coordinator may review your final exam alongside your tute attendance and in-semester assessment to decide whether to award you that extra point on your final exam paper so you pass the hurdle and therefore the unit.

On the other hand, if you've failed the unit irrespective of hurdle requirements (both your in-semester and final exam marks weren't good enough), then you've very unlikely to be bumped up. Unit coordinators try to pass people who demonstrate appropriate knowledge and understanding of the unit. They're not evil, so they really want to pass people whom they think have the knowledge but just froze during the exam. Conversely, they're unlikely to pass someone whom hasn't done well during semester because they probably don't have appropriate knowledge and their fail mark wasn't just a matter of them going blank during the exam.


Aside from this, there are some other factors that influence a unit coordinator. One important factor is grade distribution. Unit coordinators have to justify themselves to the university if too many students fail a unit, because for >15% of students to fail is rare and it's likely to be the unit coordinator's fault. Therefore, sometimes a unit coordinator is inclined to scale ALL students' exam score up a few points if the exam can be considered too hard and too many students would fail without the scaling.

Lastly, there's a degree of discretion exercised by the unit coordinator. They simply choose whether or not to review and bump up scores; it's up to them to decide.
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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1382 on: July 12, 2014, 08:46:14 pm »
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So, i'm pissed off at the administration right now.

The arts faculty no longer has an email for enquiry. I have no idea why.

You have to use the silly ask.monash service. I assume its a way to save costs and centralise resources. It used to only be use for asking about general uni things like parking, scholarships, exam dates, etc.

The last time i asked an arts question, the answer was so poor i just gave up out of frustration. I tried again, after 2 business days, i get this back "Since this is an arts faculty specific question, we will forward it to the arts faculty, expect a response in 1-2 business". FUUUUUU

So, in an attempt to improve efficiency, they took much longer and much less inefficient way to answer my question. Their idea of efficiency probably involves saving money not better service though.






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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1383 on: July 13, 2014, 12:31:16 am »
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There's no way of predicting it, sorry. You'll just have to wait and see.

What happens in most cases is that the student has failed the final exam by a small margin and therefore has failed a hurdle requirement and has a maximum final mark of 48. However, if it's a case where the student would've passed the unit overall had it not been for the final exam hurdle requirement, then the unit coordinator might bump up your final exam mark to a 50, so you get an overall passing grade.


Example:

In-Semester Assessment: Worth 70%, scored 80/100
Exam: Worth 30%, scored 49/100

Final Mark: 70 x (80/100) + 30 x (49/100) = 70.7
BUT because of the failed hurdle requirement, the final mark is reduced to 48.


It's in this sort of circumstance that the unit coordinator may review your final exam alongside your tute attendance and in-semester assessment to decide whether to award you that extra point on your final exam paper so you pass the hurdle and therefore the unit.

On the other hand, if you've failed the unit irrespective of hurdle requirements (both your in-semester and final exam marks weren't good enough), then you've very unlikely to be bumped up. Unit coordinators try to pass people who demonstrate appropriate knowledge and understanding of the unit. They're not evil, so they really want to pass people whom they think have the knowledge but just froze during the exam. Conversely, they're unlikely to pass someone whom hasn't done well during semester because they probably don't have appropriate knowledge and their fail mark wasn't just a matter of them going blank during the exam.


Aside from this, there are some other factors that influence a unit coordinator. One important factor is grade distribution. Unit coordinators have to justify themselves to the university if too many students fail a unit, because for >15% of students to fail is rare and it's likely to be the unit coordinator's fault. Therefore, sometimes a unit coordinator is inclined to scale ALL students' exam score up a few points if the exam can be considered too hard and too many students would fail without the scaling.

Lastly, there's a degree of discretion exercised by the unit coordinator. They simply choose whether or not to review and bump up scores; it's up to them to decide.

Well I was above the hurdle requirement for the semester tasks, so we will need to wait and see!

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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1384 on: July 13, 2014, 01:12:04 pm »
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Argh, still duno what to do , to pick my timetable over job or pick job over timetable :(

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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1385 on: July 13, 2014, 01:27:09 pm »
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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1386 on: July 13, 2014, 01:36:37 pm »
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It seems very interesting, and has good prize money and networking opportunities!

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« Reply #1388 on: July 13, 2014, 03:32:57 pm »
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Monashians above first year, when should we expect SMS results to come out tonight?
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Re: Monash General Chat
« Reply #1389 on: July 13, 2014, 03:56:24 pm »
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Monashians above first year, when should we expect SMS results to come out tonight?

Usually about 5PMish, but it could be earlier, later or even not until tomorrow. It's not the most consistent of services :P

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« Reply #1390 on: July 13, 2014, 03:58:10 pm »
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Cheers mate, keen to see how my studies there wrapped up. Best of luck everyone!
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« Reply #1391 on: July 13, 2014, 04:26:11 pm »
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Waiting for results is the worst.

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« Reply #1392 on: July 13, 2014, 04:50:22 pm »
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« Reply #1393 on: July 13, 2014, 04:59:15 pm »
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« Reply #1394 on: July 13, 2014, 05:06:47 pm »
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Can't wait to find out my results! Yay! I'm definitely failing one unit this semester
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