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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #795 on: August 08, 2012, 07:16:55 pm »
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b Find an approximation for f (h), where h is small, in terms of h and a.


I'm pretty sure for this you just sub it into the Linear approximation formula:
f(x+h)≈f(x)+hf'(x)
And since there is no change (or no h) the answer will be:
f(h)+0=e^ah

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #796 on: August 08, 2012, 07:36:31 pm »
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b Find an approximation for f (h), where h is small, in terms of h and a.


I'm pretty sure for this you just sub it into the Linear approximation formula:
f(x+h)≈f(x)+hf'(x)
And since there is no change (or no h) the answer will be:
f(h)+0=e^ah

the answer says 1 +ah   :s
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« Reply #797 on: August 08, 2012, 07:48:43 pm »
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Hmm, I'd agree with what bonappler got out.



b.
So find an approximation for:

(I've used delta instead of h intentionally here)



You could get 1 + ah (which, unless I'm interpreting the question wrong, I believe this is incorrect), if you took and then reasoned that . I don't see why'd you do that though (this is also why I used delta intentionally before, to not make that confusion).



c. Find an approximation for


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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #798 on: August 08, 2012, 08:16:12 pm »
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How are you supposed to interpret something like that in the exam?

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« Reply #799 on: August 08, 2012, 08:35:49 pm »
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How are you supposed to interpret something like that in the exam?
Hmm? If you were referring to this bit of my post here, that was me trying to see how 1 + ah could possibly come out. I think I made it clear enough that I was following a flawed line of reasoning on purpose.

You could get 1 + ah (which, unless I'm interpreting the question wrong, I believe this is incorrect), if you took and then reasoned that . I don't see why'd you do that though (this is also why I used delta intentionally before, to not make that confusion).


I did notice a mistake in when I tried to make a mistake though, I should have let h = 0 at the end too, giving a final answer of 1. So yeah, probably just ignore my ramblings there for that part of the post, I was just trying to see how someone might arrive at an answer of 1 + ah.

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« Reply #800 on: August 08, 2012, 08:54:45 pm »
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b Find an approximation for f (h), where h is small, in terms of h and a.

This question is in Essential right? I still remember it :P

How are you supposed to interpret something like that in the exam?

You should be able to recognise it. Or by practising with this type of questions

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« Reply #801 on: August 08, 2012, 09:24:40 pm »
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Hey all, any ideas of where I can find myself some free practice papers? Any assitance is much appreciated. (Excluding VCAA)

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #802 on: August 08, 2012, 09:59:24 pm »
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Hey all, any ideas of where I can find myself some free practice papers? Any assitance is much appreciated. (Excluding VCAA)
Try asking your school, they might be planning to give you some later but you should be able to get a few if you ask your teacher.

Also try the advice in this thread Practice Exams - Where to get them for free?


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« Reply #803 on: August 08, 2012, 10:24:35 pm »
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This question is in Essential right? I still remember it :P

yes.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #804 on: August 09, 2012, 04:38:57 pm »
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A photocopier has a fault so that 15% of the copies are smudged. A person makes 80 copies and randomly selects 10 of the copies to distribute at a meeting. Let X = the number of smudged copies.

a) Find correct to four decimal places
i) Pr(X=0)
ii) Pr(X=3)
I actually did this part fine, but I'm including it anyway.

b)If anyone at the meeting gets a smudged copy, it will need to be replaced by a clean copy. Calculate, correct to four decimal places, the probability that if some replacing is required, exactly 3 participants need new clean copies.

I am stuck on this part. It must be solved using combinatorics.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #805 on: August 09, 2012, 08:25:19 pm »
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Hi there,

Let R denote the event that replacing has taken place. If 3 participants need new clean copies then it implies that 3 copies were smudged. The probability we are after is given by:



Now note that

Thus

Now note

Thus we have

Note that each of the above probabilities have been worked out in part a) so just plug and calculate :)
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #806 on: August 09, 2012, 10:33:48 pm »
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Ahhh I see, I have to include the replacing has happened! Thank you, I was so confused. :P
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #807 on: August 11, 2012, 02:40:33 pm »
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This might be a really bad question but can anyone briefly please explain to me what's the difference between using E(X) = SUM [x*p(x)] and Varance E(X^2)-[E(X)]^2  AS OPPOSED TO E(X)=np and Variance = np(1-p)?

Aren't these both used for discrete random variables and when to use which?

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« Reply #808 on: August 11, 2012, 02:48:48 pm »
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This might be a really bad question but can anyone briefly please explain to me what's the difference between using E(X) = SUM [x*p(x)] and Varance E(X^2)-[E(X)]^2  AS OPPOSED TO E(X)=np and Variance = np(1-p)?

Aren't these both used for discrete random variables and when to use which?

E(X)=np and Variance = np(1-p) is used in binomial distribution when you only have 2 probabilities, one is success and one is failure, they dont affect each other so you can take Pr(success)=p and Pr(failure)= 1-p.
But E(X) = SUM [x*p(x)] and Varance E(X^2)-[E(X)]^2 is used for more than 2 probabilities

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« Reply #809 on: August 11, 2012, 05:52:14 pm »
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This might be a really bad question but can anyone briefly please explain to me what's the difference between using E(X) = SUM [x*p(x)] and Varance E(X^2)-[E(X)]^2  AS OPPOSED TO E(X)=np and Variance = np(1-p)?

Aren't these both used for discrete random variables and when to use which?
No! it is a very good question to ask!

We can prove that the expectation of a binomial random variable is indeed equal to . There are many ways to prove this, we can consider a binomial random variable as a sum of bernoulli random variables (which I'll omit the proof) or we can apply the direct definition of expectation. Consider the following argument:

Let be a binomial random variable, thus we require where denotes

where





Now we use this little trick, let and we factor out







Now note that from the axioms of a discrete random variable,

Thus as required.

We can also show that the variance of is equal to , again by expressing as a sum of bernoulli random variables can easily show this however I'll apply the direct definition of variance as asked in your question.

Note that

Now note that

Thus



Now we apply a little trick again, let and factor out
 






Again note that

Thus we have shown

Now

So as required.



E(X)=np and Variance = np(1-p) is used in binomial distribution when you only have 2 probabilities, one is success and one is failure, they dont affect each other so you can take Pr(success)=p and Pr(failure)= 1-p.
But E(X) = SUM [x*p(x)] and Varance E(X^2)-[E(X)]^2 is used for more than 2 probabilities
You're almost right, what do you mean by "2 probabilities"? I think a better word to use instead of probabilities is 2 "outcomes" or 2 "events", more formally, a binomial event has 2 independent events, on the other hand, there could be an infinite amount of probabilities attached to the occurrence of any of these "events". In fact, the expressions E(Y) = np and V(Y) = np(1-p) ARE the same as the general definition of expectations. You can use both interchangeably as I have shown above. It is just that the expression np is easier to compute rather than going through the entire proof each time. Remember, all PMFs and PDFs mean's and variance's can be derived from the general definition (unless in the rare cases where they don't exist, but that's outside of highschool level).



Now I will show an easier way to derive the mean and variance of a binomial random variable.

Consider the bernoulli random variable, where if the i^th is a success and if failure.

If we consider a binomial random variable which is a sum of bernoulli random variables, thus then as required.

I will leave deriving the variance from the sum of the bernoulli random variables as an exercise :)
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