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How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« on: December 22, 2011, 06:50:30 pm »
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Hi, I put a few law double degrees at Monash in my preferences  but I want to keep my options open for grad med and if I et the chance I might ditch the end of my third year. However, I'll need a good gpa to do this. How hard is it to get an 80 in the first year law units? Second year? And third year?

Btw I think I'm quite hard working and dedicated and I don't plan to lose focus during university so that shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 06:55:20 pm »
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Very few people get 80+ in Law, if thats any indicator.
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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2011, 07:25:54 pm »
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Perhaps a current monash law student could answer? Or better still someone doing a BSc/LLB or BBMS/LLB? Thanks

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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 08:36:16 pm »
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I know some pretty intelligent people doing law and getting 80 is reasonably hard, are you looking for a hours/night number? a few hours per night consistently + good cramming in swot vac should put you in good stead.

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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2011, 06:22:04 pm »
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Reasonably difficult, if you're doing a course for the GPA then law is about the stupidest route you can go down - not just because of the difficulty but also because it can be really subjective sometimes

Nothing to do with how hard-working or clever you are, there's a very specific way to write law exams and it takes some getting used to

To give you an idea, a first class honours in law "only" needs a 73 average
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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2011, 06:48:03 pm »
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Thanks Ninwa. I need a good gpa for grad med if I choose to persue that, pity about the difficulty because law is something I'd be interested in if I didn't get med. Might have to put in for an irregular offer for biomed at Melbourne. Just as a matter of interest what proportion of law students would get 80+ Ninwa? Thanks
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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2011, 07:10:36 pm »
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I honestly have no idea. I'm not even sure if we have a curve grading system or not. I only have one anecdote and that's when my friend did international law as an elective, there were about 80 students in his class and the lecturer apparently told them that he was only allowed to give out one HD in that class
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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2011, 10:42:57 pm »
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^ not so sure if the lecturer was being serious or just scaring people. I know at least two people who did international law last sem who both got HDs.
If it is true though the good news for OP is he doesn't need to take international law or any elective for the first three years XD

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Nothing to do with how hard-working or clever you are, there's a very specific way to write law exams and it takes some getting used to
This is so so true. Law exams are all about technique and a healthy dose of luck at the 80+ range. It basically comes down to preparing a set of templates which are as concise as possible while still covering all the essentials. Exams are basically a race against time more than a test of knowledge. Breadth is much much more important than depth, so at the 80+ range what usually separates students is who had the faster method of writing out the answer rather than knowledge of the law.

the good news is it means there really isn't much you need to 'study' because exams don't give you enough time to go into any sort of detail. All you need to do is continually refine your notes and templates and do practice problems to become faster and more efficient.

To give you an example, for one subject, i pre-read about 75% of the course before semester even started, read absolutely everything available and did more practice problems than I probably did for VCE subjects. For another subject, I barely opened the book all semester, did pretty much no reading and only did about 3 practice exams. My mark for the first subject was only one higher than for the second...


To the OP:
Have you considered taking MBBS/LLB at monash? I think the way it works is you keep interchanging between med and law each year so it isn't as intense as it sounds (i.e. you won't have to juggle both courses at the same time). I really do not recommend taking law for just three years and then leaving it, wasting all that money and time...
If you do do law, 80+ is really difficult to predict because some people find studying law easier than others and often success at vce doesn't translate into success at uni. My opinion is that law is not one of those subjects that you can just grind at an expect to get a good mark.

I also think science/law is a very difficult combination. Science has a lot of ongoing assessments whereas law has fewer assessments (or sometimes none) but these are usually long term assignments and are usually worth more. When you mix the two, I find that the weekly small assessments from science tend to distract from the more long term law based assessments and it can be difficult juggling both. You will also have about 15-20 contact hours a week, compared with the usual 10-15 of an arts/law or commerce/law student.

I've heard from friends doing biomed/law that it is very intense. First year biomed is basically a much harder version of science. I've heard that the biomed subjects are very difficult and often require a lot of rote learning...

but anyway, once again i recommend you look at doing med/law at monash if you are interested in both courses!



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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2011, 11:10:01 pm »
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^ not so sure if the lecturer was being serious or just scaring people. I know at least two people who did international law last sem who both got HDs.

he was probably trying to make himself look better (he got HD :P)
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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2011, 11:46:04 pm »
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Thanks guys you've given me much to think about

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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2012, 04:28:58 pm »
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To the OP:
Have you considered taking MBBS/LLB at monash? I think the way it works is you keep interchanging between med and law each year so it isn't as intense as it sounds (i.e. you won't have to juggle both courses at the same time). I really do not recommend taking law for just three years and then leaving it, wasting all that money and time...
If you do do law, 80+ is really difficult to predict because some people find studying law easier than others and often success at vce doesn't translate into success at uni. My opinion is that law is not one of those subjects that you can just grind at an expect to get a good mark.



but anyway, once again i recommend you look at doing med/law at monash if you are interested in both courses!




Just in case anyone reading this was interested in MBBS/LLB...it is quite intense and there's a fair amount of juggling- 2nd, 3rd and 5th year involve both med and law units.  Something more to consider after first year of med :)
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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 04:36:32 pm »
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Can someone suggest the benefits of doing an MBBS/LLB? Like what will an LLB add if I end up becoming a doctor?

Also, is it worth the extra three years? If not I'll just do a DipArts alongside MBBS (if I get in).

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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2012, 04:42:49 pm »
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Can someone suggest the benefits of doing an MBBS/LLB?

1. Bragging rights
2. You can represent yourself when you get sued to hell for negligence
3. The massive amounts of debt will allow you to declare bankruptcy later so you can start over
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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2012, 04:45:38 pm »
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In regards to representing yourself in court, don't you have to undertake further studies after an LLB to become a barrister?

LOL! oh yeah, I never thought about the debt, but good point :P :P

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Re: How hard is it to get 80+ in the first three years of law?
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2012, 04:57:02 pm »
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Can someone suggest the benefits of doing an MBBS/LLB? Like what will an LLB add if I end up becoming a doctor?

Also, is it worth the extra three years? If not I'll just do a DipArts alongside MBBS (if I get in).

Definitely bragging rights and being on your way to being the most qualified person around...but on a more serious note:
I spent many months last year debating whether to do med/law or not...The main benefits could be if you're interested in pursuing a medico-legal line (medical insurance companies, ethics boards maybe...and for some reason there seem to be a loooot of surgeons around who have a law degree lololol) or maybe even a political line later on..and I guess if you're just plain interested in law.  That said, you do a fair bit of law basics in the med course itself. 
In my opinion, if you can handle the extra workload and are up for the challenge, and think a law degree would benefit the line of medicine you want to follow, then definitely the three years extra are worth it...for me, even though I was realllly interested in studying law, I realised a) I couldn't cope, and b) doesn't really fit with my medical career ambitions...of course, you can always go back and do a JD after you've finished MBBS if you so feel the need :P
Alternatively, the dipArts sounds good if you want a bit of variety in your course.
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