Copeland Scholarship

[ulbasour]

With the introduction of the new Chancellors scholars program, what will happen to the copeland scholarship program?
Also, i know that with the scholars program, people who got 99.80 and 99.75 received the scholarship in previous years, but know the chancellors program is limited to 99.90. Does anyone have any knowledge as to whether they may still allow students to enter this scholarship/'program' with a score such as 99.75/.80? Cheers in advance x

[Pixon]

It is possible: "Students with an ATAR below 99.90 may be considered depending on demand."

Source: http://www.futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/entry-requirements/chancellors-scholars-programs (second last line)

However, it's probably a bit hard to say at this stage since it's in its first year. I imagine getting in with a score beneath 99.90 to be a rarity though.

[paulsterio]

PM Tram, he's a Copland Scholar!

[Geepers]

My friend and I (both with an ATAR of 99.85) asked this question at the change of preference expo.  He applied for Cancellor's Commerce and I for Chancellor's Arts.  The response at the Scholarships desk was "well done but we have 68 people with better Atars than you so it is highly unlikely".  When I asked the same question at the Arts desk the lady who was otherwise really helpful and well informed, didn't know how the program worked within the Arts faculty.

In the press release on the day the results were released, there were only three National scholarship offers to people  who wanted to do Commerce and five for Arts. There were none for Environments.  As each faculty has a different Vtac course code there is still the chance that Commerce in particular will offer places on demand.  I doubt that they would go to the trouble of developing the Copland program and not continue into the next year. Whether they give you the $5000 p.a, though is a different question and nobody could give us a clear answer only that it depended on demand. Whether that demand was on a overall basis or a faculty basis nobody was certain.   

[ulbasour]

My friend and I (both with an ATAR of 99.85) asked this question at the change of preference expo.  He applied for Cancellor's Commerce and I for Chancellor's Arts.  The response at the Scholarships desk was "well done but we have 68 people with better Atars than you so it is highly unlikely".  When I asked the same question at the Arts desk the lady who was otherwise really helpful and well informed, didn't know how the program worked within the Arts faculty.

In the press release on the day the results were released, there were only three National scholarship offers to people  who wanted to do Commerce and five for Arts. There were none for Environments.  As each faculty has a different Vtac course code there is still the chance that Commerce in particular will offer places on demand.  I doubt that they would go to the trouble of developing the Copland program and not continue into the next year. Whether they give you the $5000 p.a, though is a different question and nobody could give us a clear answer only that it depended on demand. Whether that demand was on a overall basis or a faculty basis nobody was certain.   

yeah, apparently they offered 15 copelands the other year - hopefully if they do it again this year ill be able to scrape in with one :/

[xdecay]

i'm starting to worry - i didn't have a chance to go on vtac during change of preference period but the top two on my list are both chancellor's scholars which i obviously have no chance in getting in (97.90 only). so my first round offer would be the course third on my list (bachelor of arts at uom), right? i didn't jeopardise anything for not removing the first two although i don't stand a chance?

sorry for going off a tangent by the way.

[luken93]

I rang the scholarship office, and they said that for any of the 99.90/99.95 kids that don't take the chancellors program (ie choose Monash med is a common trend over chancellors biomed) then they'll keep going down the atar list until all have been given out...

[Russ]

In terms of the Chancellor's scholarship it's dependent upon demand, yes. For biomedicine and science, it will absolutely be 99.9 minimum. Commerce might drop a little, but 99.75 is too low. 99.85 is the number I heard quoted as a "maybe" but it's very uncertain because the program is new and all they know is the applicant numbers so far

And if you have them at preferences #1 and #2, there's no problem with getting a first round offer for preference #3

[ulbasour]

In terms of the Chancellor's scholarship it's dependent upon demand, yes. For biomedicine and science, it will absolutely be 99.9 minimum. Commerce might drop a little, but 99.75 is too low. 99.85 is the number I heard quoted as a "maybe" but it's very uncertain because the program is new and all they know is the applicant numbers so far

And if you have them at preferences #1 and #2, there's no problem with getting a first round offer for preference #3

the demand for commerce at that end of the atar scale is very low. Only 3 people with .90 and .95 got this scholarship. There could be a good chance that the top 15 would filter into the .75 region, which if the number of placements are the same as lasy year (??) then i may have a chance. But then this all based on assumption and may be completely irrelevant with this new program

[xdecay]

any information on environments?

[Geepers]

It's hard to guess what they will do with Arts and Environments as there doesn't seem to be the equivalent of the Copland Program in these faculties.

[Geepers]

Looks like Copland will be offered to 99.85 applicants.
http://www.futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/applications/irregular_offers

[tram]

Essentially the chancellors scholars program is separate but closely entwined with the copland scholarship. Last year was the first year of the copland scholarship and this year the first year where they are combined so it's all very new.

Basically if you get the chancellors program, you'll get into the Copland program. However as shown in that link above, it is possible to hold the Copland scholarship BUT NOT be in the chancellors program. People that fit into this category would be the top 15 commencing commerce students (from what i understand there will still be 15 copland scholars) minus the people that got 99.90+ as ulbasour had correctly said due to the lack of demand for commerce at the top end.

To get into the Copland program you would want to be looking at 99.85 as that site says, and 99.80 at the least. 99.75 would probably be too low.

Note that with only holding the Copland scholarship you do not get the guaranteed entry to a postgrad degree which is one of the major selling points of the chancellors scholars program, but you do get all the other opportunities (mentoring by a CEO, study exchange, invitation to events, etc.)

Note that the copland scholarship is only a commerce thing, none of the other faculties offer an equivalent scholarship.

[Tashi]

Essentially the chancellors scholars program is separate but closely entwined with the copland scholarship. Last year was the first year of the copland scholarship and this year the first year where they are combined so it's all very new.

Basically if you get the chancellors program, you'll get into the Copland program. However as shown in that link above, it is possible to hold the Copland scholarship BUT NOT be in the chancellors program. People that fit into this category would be the top 15 commencing commerce students (from what i understand there will still be 15 copland scholars) minus the people that got 99.90+ as ulbasour had correctly said due to the lack of demand for commerce at the top end.

To get into the Copland program you would want to be looking at 99.85 as that site says, and 99.80 at the least. 99.75 would probably be too low.

Note that with only holding the Copland scholarship you do not get the guaranteed entry to a postgrad degree which is one of the major selling points of the chancellors scholars program, but you do get all the other opportunities (mentoring by a CEO, study exchange, invitation to events, etc.)

Note that the copland scholarship is only a commerce thing, none of the other faculties offer an equivalent scholarship.

"selling point", as if students decide to get 99.85 instead of 99.90. :p

[Geepers]

From Melbourne Uni website - bold added.

Chancellor's Scholars - Copland Program
Students selected into the Bachelor of Commerce (Chancellor’s Scholars’ Program) will automatically receive membership of the Copland Program as one of the benefits.

Selection is based on academic merit and is guaranteed for students who have completed secondary schooling in Australia in 2011 with an ATAR or Notional ATAR of 99.9 or above. Students who apply to the Bachelor of Commerce (Chancellor’s Scholars’ Program) and who have achieved an ATAR of 99.9 are guaranteed entry into the program, regardless of whether the Bachelor of Commerce is placed as their first preference course.

The Copland Program recognises students for their outstanding work during secondary studies by providing access to unique opportunities including:

Guaranteed entry into the graduate program of their choice as listed under the Chancellor’s Scholars’ Program, subject to course prerequisites. No minimum GPA is required in the undergraduate degree (however students may be required to undertake an interview);
Individual mentoring by the CEO of one of Australia’s leading business, government or not-for-profit
organisations
International exposure through study abroad or exchange at a leading partner institution, study tour or workplace program
Scholarship bursaries as outlined in the Chancellor’s Scholars’ Program
Participation in a unique program directed at enhancing understanding of the issues central to creating a just, prosperous and sustainable society in Australia
Involvement in specialised orientation and transition-to-commerce activities in the first year of study
Access to academic advisors devoted to mentoring Copland Scholar participants throughout their studies
Invitations to Faculty sponsored events, such as lectures by leading international academics, roundtable discussions with prominent members of the political and business worlds, and various student leadership events. Copland Scholars will also be appointed as a member of the Faculty’s student leadership group, meet regularly with senior academic staff, and represent the student body at meetings with the Faculty Consultative Committee and Alumni Council.


So what does this mean? - do they get guaranteed JD with 99.85 whereas the same ATAR in Arts or Science doesn't?