Depressing?

[Russ]

Oh yeah that reminds me, interns are nowhere near $21/hr, they're above $30/hr

I found a document somewhere that was a rough guide, I'll see if i can find it in my bookmarks

[jasrulz63]

Based on the link I posted and this it looks like it's roughly $30.39 (page 61). Interested to see what your link says Russ.

[Ngage0]

I am planning on doing medicine for a few reasons. 1. To help others (sounds cliched) lol 2.For the respect and prestige 3.My parents want me to 4. The money 5.To be part of doctors without borders

Just out of curiosity when does a doctor begin to earn 100k+ a year? How many years after they have graduated?
Also if you don't have specalist training and your a fresh medical graduate can you join doctors without borders for a year or 6months?

[86]

I am planning on doing medicine for a few reasons. 1. To help others (sounds cliched) lol 2.For the respect and prestige 3.My parents want me to 4. The money 5.To be part of doctors without borders

You have got to be kidding.

[paulsterio]

I am planning on doing medicine for a few reasons. 1. To help others (sounds cliched) lol 2.For the respect and prestige 3.My parents want me to 4. The money 5.To be part of doctors without borders

1) Stop asking about money

2) If you want to help others, go be an engineer and find out an efficient hydraulic method which can deliver clean water to people in remote areas in poorer nations, you'll be helping their health for generations to come, far more people than you could ever help as a doctor.

3) You will get much more respect and prestige in other areas as well. But I think respect and prestige comes from being good at something not from the occupation. Look at it this way. If you're a shit doctor, are you going to get a lot of respect and prestige? LOL! - it's not black and white you know

4) Why do your parents want you to do medicine?

5) That's a fair enough reason, but why do you want to be a part of the doctors without borders?

6) Btw, go to a medical school interview and list the reasons you've stated, I can guarantee you, you'll fail the interview. Tip: have a long and hard think about whether you truly want to do medicine and if so, why?

[Ngage0]

1) Stop asking about money
1) the reason i mentioned money was, obviously you need money to live so it has to be reason for any job.

2) If you want to help others, go be an engineer and find out an efficient hydraulic method which can deliver clean water to people in remote areas in poorer nations, you'll be helping their health for generations to come, far more people than you could ever help as a doctor.

3) You will get much more respect and prestige in other areas as well. But I think respect and prestige comes from being good at something not from the occupation. Look at it this way. If you're a shit doctor, are you going to get a lot of respect and prestige? LOL! - it's not black and white you know

4) Why do your parents want you to do medicine?

5) That's a fair enough reason, but why do you want to be a part of the doctors without borders?

6) Btw, go to a medical school interview and list the reasons you've stated, I can guarantee you, you'll fail the interview. Tip: have a long and hard think about whether you truly want to do medicine and if so, why?

3)In my culuture being a doctor is considered the most respectful and prestigious job over others. But i know what you mean you can still earn respect and prestige in other fields depending on your work.

4)Parents want me to do medicine because they want me to be in a better position they are both my parents are engineers. My dad's an electrical engineer teaching at Melb uni. My mum's a software engineer working in ANZ internet fraud. So they think the best position for me to be is  a doctor. lol.

5)Doctors without borders is preety awesome going to 3rd world countries and helping people in need who don't have access to the basic health care. Why else whould you go there lol?

6) I probably won't be using these reasons in an interview i know the second you mention money and medicine you have already failed lol. Probably gonna find some insperational stuff on net and use some other good points.

[paulsterio]

3) What I says still stands though, you need to overcome that "prestige and respect" barrier, not the job, it's how you do the job

4) That's fair enough, but maybe ask them why they think the best position is for you to be a doctor - that will help you in your interview possibly

5) Well that sounds quite realistic, so keep that in the bag for the interview

6) I know but honestly though, don't "look for inspirational stuff on the net", have a think about why you want to do medicine? It's best not to lie in the interview, just think about the challenges you'll face in medicine, how you'll overcome them and other stuff like that as well.

[Hehetymen]

Hijacking this thread. What are the options of a Bachelor of Biomed if you fail to get into med? I'm only doing biomed cos it was the highest atar and while being a doctor is interesting, I doubt I'll get into it. I've thought about engineering but I've only done Maths Methods and I'll probably have to start a new degree. Also for my part, I believe it doesn't matter why you wanna be a doctor (wealth, prestige etc). If you become one, you become one. You're qualified and therefore as good as any other doctor so your reasons for being one shouldn't matter. It's certainly not gonna make a difference to your patients.

Inb4 do your own research.

[Ngage0]

Okay, fe thanks for the tips but i have loooong way to go before i even get considered for an interview for the MD course lol. I haven't even written my gamsat. Right now all i am doing is trying to maintain a high GPA. Haven't been assessed on anything yet but i am studying pretty hard since uni started. Just another 2 more years lol. Still its good to keep hopes up and know why you are doing med. What bothers me is one of my friends who got a higher atar than me 95.6 is going overseas to study MBBS and planning on returning as an overseas trained doctor in 4 and half years. He then plans on clearing the AMC exam and thinks he can begin working as a doctor from day 1. I told him his living in a fantasy if he thinks he can pull that off but then again i don't know. It whould be really unfair for others who have been have to study for 7 or so years if he pulled it of and started working as a doctor in just 4 and half years while if i got into MD i would still studying haha. whats your intake on this guys. Is it possible or is it going to fail? He checked with AMC to see if his university if recognised and everything. He even showed me to try and convince me you can but i am still unsure haha. He said all i need to do is clear the amc exam and clinical exam and i can begin work. He told me his written exam is just multiple choice seems like he might be able to clear that easily don't know about the other stuff he needs to do. He seems pretty confident he can do it. Have to wait and see.

[paulsterio]

Well, I personally don't know him so I can't say as to whether he will fail or succeed in his AMC exam, but look at it this way, being Australian trained is something which is valued, when it comes down to it, a hospital probably might just give you the edge for a job because you were trained in Australia, might be possible, I don't know.

[Ngage0]

Oh, what i meant is can you go over seas to study medicine come back to australia clear amc exams and begin working like any other normal doctor?

[Russ]

With respect to MSF, you can work for (volunteer for) them as a medical student, you just won't be going and treating people in the third world

Clarity:

There's nothing wrong with wanting to know about money and income and mentioning it as a reason in an interview will definitely not cause you to instantly fail. It was the second thing I said when I was asked. Job security, remuneration and lifestyle are things that are going to define your life for the next 40 years and it's completely idealistic to expect people to ignore them, just to live up to some mythical ideal. I really don't like the trend of "if you're interested in money, you're a bad medical prospect".

The problem only arises when you don't have other motivations, because the effort/reward curve for medicine is pretty crappy compared to other potentially high paying careers.

What are the options of a Bachelor of Biomed if you fail to get into med?

90%+ remain at uni doing further study (honours, masters, professional entry degrees) and the rest work in the private sector (labwork, entry level positions) or something completely unrelated

Oh, what i meant is can you go over seas to study medicine come back to australia clear amc exams and begin working like any other normal doctor?

The short answer is yes. The long answer is yes, but he's not going to walk straight into the position he wants, in the location he wants, with the pay he wants. Hospitals prefer Australian graduates for various reasons, which is why you see a lot of international doctors having to work rurally etc.

He'll still need to apply for specialist training and so forth, which is where I can foresee problems

[Ngage0]

fe, although hospitals might prefer Australians medical graduates. It seems like once he clears his AMC exam he is pretty much the same pool as every other australian medical graduate. As you said he will have to do specialist training which is also required for aussie med grads which is preety unfair if you ask me, the aussie grads have worked there ass off to get to where they are and you see people like this cutting in line to become doctors. He told me and showed me if you are an australian citizen who has an overseas medical qualification you are not required to work in rural areas as you are exempt from it. So he just needs to clear amc and get specialist training(just like any another australian grad).

[Russ]

Not being required to work rurally and not working rurally are two very different things

Being an Australian citizen will help him, sure, but he still has to get a job at a hospital and deal with the fact that hospitals like hiring people who they've already been training for the last couple of years, rather than people they've never seen before

[paulsterio]

Essentially what Russ said is right, in my own knowledge anyway.

The problem only arises when you don't have other motivations, because the effort/reward curve for medicine is pretty crappy compared to other potentially high paying careers.

That's exactly why if you're interested in money, other careers might be more suitable.

But anyways, Ngage0,

the aussie grads have worked theretheir ass off to get to where they are and you see people like this cutting in line to become doctors.

I've always considered doctors as people who can spell