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Is there any correlation between intelligence and ATAR score?

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Bhootnike:
I dunno.
I'm gonna go back to India and say, imagine if VCE and the indian education system NCERT, /cbse were swapped. So we got the Indian education system. i would not be surprised if they jumped joyfully, while we died. painfully. 
I'm generalising, profusely..! but my point is that once a standard is set, and by that I mean, british influence to our primary schools, and eventually to VCE, we cant implement some crazy ass course. To change VCE entirely into something measuring aptitude purely, would make the exams, and the coursework much harder, (note, im saying, imagine if we got a new course this year). I think that to change the course entirely is Something australian students currently studying the already implemented prep-12 design probably won't be able to manage, unless ofc, teachers are trained to teach the new style, and they somehow figure out  when to make the new course start for e.g. 2025 - so what , our current preps/next years preps are taught in different ways from previous years.

if we're going to test aptitude, we need to test true aptitude, and the base for that begins in primary school.

So VCE was probably designed for many reasons. It's a reasonable way to select students into unis, it's not a course that will burn the absolute hell out of you, and its not insanely hard, like some other countries.

Oh and yeah, no, in my opinion, there's definitely not a strong correlation between iq and atar.
i find that to be strong correlation is flawed statement. I agree that there are people who are just generally smart, that however does not mean that all people getting 99+ will get great IQ results.
there may be a certain percentage, but definitely not that much to prove a strong correlation.

also, think of the poor humanities students  :'(

Truck:
I'd say that a person with a high ATAR must be, to some degree, intelligent, whilst you can still be intelligent despite a low ATAR score.

cyrus_atlantis:
Agree that there will be a strong correlation between intelligence and atar, though I would vote for a stronger correlation between hard work and atar score cause I noticed from a lot of people that the harder they work, the higher they score.

ninwa:
Define intelligence

greenbeans:
It's a tricky one. You could also ask does a low ATAR mean that someone is unintelligent? Well perhaps. But you really have to figure out whatever the frack "intelligence" means....and I'm not exactly fist pumpin to define it...

It's also hard to say if there's a correlation at all or not. Sure, you could attempt to find data to form some sort of explanation, but there are so many variables.
I think that yes, there CAN be a correlation in terms of smart learning and using your TIME intelligently to get a good ATAR, such as learning how to beat the procrastination blues, how to have a social life AND get sleep AND do quality study AND emerge from your room once every so often... QUALITY study over quantity any day, just build that up to more and more quantities of quality!

I know someone who has book smarts but has limited general knowledge. Couldn't pass her learners driving test. I personally don't think I am that smart, just interested in learning. I never did the "high flyers" sort of subjects but I got a pretty alright score. Whereas some of my peers had absolutely brilliant minds but fell short of ATAR scores that many thought were gonna be a cakewalk.

When we have the high achievers come back to our school every year, there's always one or two girls who are surprises. We can usually pick the majority, the ones that get the academic awards EVERY single year in assemblies and do ten thousands co-curricular activities, but then there's always a few faces that shock everyone, which gave me hope that anyone can do it ;)

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