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Calculus question
« on: May 06, 2012, 06:50:20 pm »
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The equation of the tangent to the curve (x-2)^2+2(y+1)^2=4 at (a,b) has y intercept at 3(sqr(2/3)-1) and is parallel to y=x. Find the point (a,b)

I've worked out the tangent to be y=x+3sqr(2/3)-3 without any calculus but I seem to be stuck here. Is it necessary to differentiate that circle equation at all. My thinking was to sub in the tangent equation into the circle equation and workout the point of intersection but its very messy and not sure if doable by hand, is there perhaps an easier way i'm missing?

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Re: Calculus question
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2012, 07:31:03 pm »
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I would have started with partial differentiation, I think the y-intercept bit is there to get rid of one of the solutions at the end.

Ok this turned out way longer than I thought it was going to, so it's may not be the best way, but it works, so I hope it still helps in someway (or someone else may be able to see a better way).

Anyway, using implicit differentiation


Now we know that at this will be parallel to , that is share the same gradient, so that is at



EDIT: for those who need this question, the better method from here onwards is to sub (a,b) and a=-2b into the tangent equation, as pointed out by Bozo


Substituting this back into the equation for the circle, at and





, so for
For

BUT these points must satisfy our extra condition for our y-intercept for the tangent.

So using you equation of the tangent, lets sub in a and check if we get b.
For

Now this is not the value of b for this solution, so it is not the answer.
For

Now this is the value of b for this solution, so this is your answer.



I feel there should be a quicker way to do this, I haven't picked up on it yet if there is, but someone else may be able to.

Anyway hope that helps :)
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Re: Calculus question
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2012, 07:40:03 pm »
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I just figured it out,

Let the derivative =1 and sub in the values (x,y) =>(a,b) so it becomes (4-2a)/(4b+4)=1 thus b=1/2a

then sub the values (a,b) into tangent equation.

b=a+3sqr(2/3)-3

sub b=1/2a into equation b=a+3sqr(2/3)-3


solve for a, then solve for b.

Thoughts?

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Re: Calculus question
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2012, 07:44:42 pm »
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I just figured it out,

Let the derivative =1 and sub in the values (x,y) =>(a,b) so it becomes (4-2a)/(4b+4)=1 thus b=1/2a

then sub the values (a,b) into tangent equation.

b=a+3sqr(2/3)-3

sub b=1/2a into equation b=a+3sqr(2/3)-3


solve for a, then solve for b.

Thoughts?
Oh yeh that would work too, it was the same up until after the a=-2b part.....damm did all that extra working, didn't see the easy way....
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