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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2012, 01:05:23 am »
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Viva, how did you approach studying for English? How many times did your texts, and how many practice essays did you do? I know its different for everybody, but how much did you personally do?

Mmk I'll give you a bit of a run down of how I approached English...

It might have been a bit different, but I'll explain why. Basically, come the start of year 12 I was already fairly decent at writing. I had the vocab and a lot of the expression skills that I needed, plus I didn't completely despise reading so I got to know the texts... moderately well. I'll be frank - I was lazy. I substituted knowing the text and having studied it myself - properly and inside out - for having skimmed through each text once and then getting my knowledge of the plot, characters, and key aspects of the text from not just Sparknotes but other sources like critical analyses that I found on the web. These gave me lots of higher tier ideas than what the average year 12 English student could produce, and I just adapted them into my own writing. I had a teacher that introduced literary aspects of all the texts beyond the bare bones of the plot, characters, and complications in the text. He didn't press them as he would have freaked out the whole class, but I pursued them and it paid off. I guess this is rather vague, but I have a picture which nicely summaries what I mean:



My English teacher always touched on metastructural elements of the text, the greater context of the texts (like cultural values and impressions at the time of writing), etc. I always tailed these until I understood them fundamentally and how they related to the text.

Then, my devious strategy was this: For R&R and C&P, largely skim over the generic, typical, and overused classically obvious arguments that every other god damn spanking English student in the state is going to use for that particular book, and focus on stuff that makes you stand out. For Year of Wonders, if you go through the threads from last years exam you'll find that everybody HATED the prompt which elicited a discussion of the texts structure and setting, rather than the characters and plot. I wrote on that and got 10/10 because I chose to study that fully. For creating and presenting, I happened to hate both of the texts that we studied (Shark Net and A Streetcar Named Desire) so I based my ENTIRE final essay in Streetcar on the fact that the author was gay, and forged an argument that he made a very minor character in the text gay in order to grandstand the issue albeit in a subtle way to as to avoid persecution (1950s America could have seen him lobotomized like his brother for being homo), and again I pulled 10/10 for it. This kinda flows a bit when you do Literature for VCE, and it's much easier if you cbf discussing the blatantly obvious disagreements/resolutions in the text which are meant to be the basis for some form of 'discussion' when really there tends to only be one objective reason for whatever happens in the plot.

Can you see how understanding the broader scope of a text can make it so that you stand out?

Obviously, you need to get expression and language down pat before you would attempt something as whack as this. I'd hate for someone to try (especially after reading this - I'd be leading you astray!) to pull something crazy like this off and not have the ability to communicate it effectively.

And then finally for Language Analysis, IDK. All I can say really is IDK. I never thought I was particularly good at them. I can iterate for you though that I never followed any bullshit set structure - I wrote freestyle for it, and still pulled good marks. An essay is an essay, it doesn't matter whether it's language analysis or a text response essay - all you have to do is write to fulfill the task. Language Analysis in my humble opinion does not purport in any way towards a set structure yet it seems to be the general consensus on these forums that that's the best idea. I got 10/10 for LA too on the exam.

I had a few abysmal SAC marks though by a 48 standard (B+ and a few A's) and was rank 3 in my cohort by the end of it.

It's hard to say with English, you might be surprised. I mainly received high As during year 12 English and walked away with a 45. And trust me, I wasn't in a strong English studies cohort.

Put all your efforts into that end of year exam because that is what will bring home the bacon. Yes, the SACs are important but in my case I can tell you that they are obviously not the be-all end-all.

QFT - It really is all about the end of year exam. Prepare for that shit.

Yo, If I'm rank 1 in my entire year level , and get a A+ on my exam for English what score am I looking at?

Cheers.

38+. I was rank 2 for Lit, with all A (sem 1) and A+ (sem 2) SAC scores, and A+ exam, and got a 38. Expect no less than this, and better depending on how much you floor the exam.
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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2012, 04:28:36 pm »
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critical analyses [. . .] These gave me lots of higher tier ideas than what the average year 12 English student could produce, and I just adapted them into my own writing.

[. . .] focus on stuff that makes you stand out.

+1 for these with respect to Richard III last year, even skim-reading some of the work examples on ATAR Notes for Richard III, I am usually able to spot which literary critiques the author has read merely from looking at the ideas, quotes and words ('duplicitous', is a pretty common one) that have been adapted for the essay in question.

 With respect to our Ransom SAC last year very few people did the storytelling prompt, because hardly anyone even realised it was a theme of the book, but people like me who had studied it generally pulled off better marks because we were working with the subtext, which made us stand out from the rest of the cohort who elected to write about a more generic prompt about 'the human element' and tended to focus on quotes and ideas which were blatantly obvious.
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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2012, 02:57:31 pm »
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i got 18/30, [17/20, 18/20 (Oral and Language analysis)], then 27/50, 40/50. for my sacs and then a relatively low A on the exam ( I think) and pulled a 33.

so there's some hope

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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2012, 12:24:57 pm »
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thanks for the advice vegimitePi!  :)
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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2012, 10:07:35 pm »
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Then, my devious strategy was this: For R&R and C&P, largely skim over the generic, typical, and overused classically obvious arguments that every other god damn spanking English student in the state is going to use for that particular book, and focus on stuff that makes you stand out. For Year of Wonders, if you go through the threads from last years exam you'll find that everybody HATED the prompt which elicited a discussion of the texts structure and setting, rather than the characters and plot. I wrote on that and got 10/10 because I chose to study that fully. For creating and presenting, I happened to hate both of the texts that we studied (Shark Net and A Streetcar Named Desire) so I based my ENTIRE final essay in Streetcar on the fact that the author was gay, and forged an argument that he made a very minor character in the text gay in order to grandstand the issue albeit in a subtle way to as to avoid persecution (1950s America could have seen him lobotomized like his brother for being homo), and again I pulled 10/10 for it. This kinda flows a bit when you do Literature for VCE, and it's much easier if you cbf discussing the blatantly obvious disagreements/resolutions in the text which are meant to be the basis for some form of 'discussion' when really there tends to only be one objective reason for whatever happens in the plot.

Can you see how understanding the broader scope of a text can make it so that you stand out?

Obviously, you need to get expression and language down pat before you would attempt something as whack as this. I'd hate for someone to try (especially after reading this - I'd be leading you astray!) to pull something crazy like this off and not have the ability to communicate it effectively.

And then finally for Language Analysis, IDK. All I can say really is IDK. I never thought I was particularly good at them. I can iterate for you though that I never followed any bullshit set structure - I wrote freestyle for it, and still pulled good marks. An essay is an essay, it doesn't matter whether it's language analysis or a text response essay - all you have to do is write to fulfill the task. Language Analysis in my humble opinion does not purport in any way towards a set structure yet it seems to be the general consensus on these forums that that's the best idea. I got 10/10 for LA too on the exam.

I had a few abysmal SAC marks though by a 48 standard (B+ and a few A's) and was rank 3 in my cohort by the end of it.

Sorry to revive an old thread, but you got 30/30 (60/60) on the exam and got a 48?!??!
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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2012, 01:08:12 am »
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Then, my devious strategy was this: For R&R and C&P, largely skim over the generic, typical, and overused classically obvious arguments that every other god damn spanking English student in the state is going to use for that particular book, and focus on stuff that makes you stand out. For Year of Wonders, if you go through the threads from last years exam you'll find that everybody HATED the prompt which elicited a discussion of the texts structure and setting, rather than the characters and plot. I wrote on that and got 10/10 because I chose to study that fully. For creating and presenting, I happened to hate both of the texts that we studied (Shark Net and A Streetcar Named Desire) so I based my ENTIRE final essay in Streetcar on the fact that the author was gay, and forged an argument that he made a very minor character in the text gay in order to grandstand the issue albeit in a subtle way to as to avoid persecution (1950s America could have seen him lobotomized like his brother for being homo), and again I pulled 10/10 for it. This kinda flows a bit when you do Literature for VCE, and it's much easier if you cbf discussing the blatantly obvious disagreements/resolutions in the text which are meant to be the basis for some form of 'discussion' when really there tends to only be one objective reason for whatever happens in the plot.

Can you see how understanding the broader scope of a text can make it so that you stand out?

Obviously, you need to get expression and language down pat before you would attempt something as whack as this. I'd hate for someone to try (especially after reading this - I'd be leading you astray!) to pull something crazy like this off and not have the ability to communicate it effectively.

And then finally for Language Analysis, IDK. All I can say really is IDK. I never thought I was particularly good at them. I can iterate for you though that I never followed any bullshit set structure - I wrote freestyle for it, and still pulled good marks. An essay is an essay, it doesn't matter whether it's language analysis or a text response essay - all you have to do is write to fulfill the task. Language Analysis in my humble opinion does not purport in any way towards a set structure yet it seems to be the general consensus on these forums that that's the best idea. I got 10/10 for LA too on the exam.

I had a few abysmal SAC marks though by a 48 standard (B+ and a few A's) and was rank 3 in my cohort by the end of it.

Sorry to revive an old thread, but you got 30/30 (60/60) on the exam and got a 48?!??!

yeah i was rank 3 though in my cohort... and i think i got a scaled down 92 SAC mark so it would have been 90 or 91 (the scaling wouldn't have been much) so i JUST scraped an A+ on GA01 and GA02.

might give you a bit of an idea of how tight the 46-47-48-49-50 marks are, check out quppa.net

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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2012, 01:31:45 pm »
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might give you a bit of an idea of how tight the 46-47-48-49-50 marks are, check out quppa.net

Holy cow, that's scary...
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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2012, 01:12:40 pm »
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I got A+,A+,A and got a 38 for Literature. So aim for A, A, A with possibly a B+ in there and you could guarantee yourself a score that's >35. Any lower than that and you might jeopardise it and get slightly lower.

approximately what is an A+, A and B in english?

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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2012, 01:14:00 pm »
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yeah well got my first sac back which was 17/30 so there goes my english score. definitely reflected my effort

Nope.

I got a score around 65% (I think it was low 30's out of 50, I can't remember) and still pulled a 48.

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WOW that's amazing!
Were you in a really strong cohort tho?

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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2012, 01:19:07 pm »
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i got 18/30, [17/20, 18/20 (Oral and Language analysis)], then 27/50, 40/50. for my sacs and then a relatively low A on the exam ( I think) and pulled a 33.

so there's some hope

I got 17/20, 17/20 [oral and language analysis] then 20/30 [text response - teacher gave entire class wrong information so as a class most people did badly] and 24/30 [context].
Do i still have hope?

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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2012, 01:49:49 pm »
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I got A+,A+,A and got a 38 for Literature. So aim for A, A, A with possibly a B+ in there and you could guarantee yourself a score that's >35. Any lower than that and you might jeopardise it and get slightly lower.

approximately what is an A+, A and B in english?

Nope it's the same for English and Lit

Edit: sorry misread, that's about low 30's, possibly mid 30's.
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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2012, 07:49:59 pm »
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I got A+,A+,A and got a 38 for Literature. So aim for A, A, A with possibly a B+ in there and you could guarantee yourself a score that's >35. Any lower than that and you might jeopardise it and get slightly lower.

approximately what is an A+, A and B in english?

Nope it's the same for English and Lit

Edit: sorry misread, that's about low 30's, possibly mid 30's.


I meant like number wise?

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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2012, 08:57:22 pm »
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I got A+,A+,A and got a 38 for Literature. So aim for A, A, A with possibly a B+ in there and you could guarantee yourself a score that's >35. Any lower than that and you might jeopardise it and get slightly lower.

approximately what is an A+, A and B in english?

Nope it's the same for English and Lit

Edit: sorry misread, that's about low 30's, possibly mid 30's.


I meant like number wise?
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/statistics/2011/statssect3.html
For any VCE subject, click the link, find your subject, then look at what scores what grade. For English, NB that the exams are marked twice, so each piece is out of 20 for a 60 total in the graded distributions.
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Re: 35 in english
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2012, 09:23:34 pm »
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I got A+,A+,A and got a 38 for Literature. So aim for A, A, A with possibly a B+ in there and you could guarantee yourself a score that's >35. Any lower than that and you might jeopardise it and get slightly lower.

approximately what is an A+, A and B in english?


Nope it's the same for English and Lit

Edit: sorry misread, that's about low 30's, possibly mid 30's.


I meant like number wise?
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/statistics/2011/statssect3.html
For any VCE subject, click the link, find your subject, then look at what scores what grade. For English, NB that the exams are marked twice, so each piece is out of 20 for a 60 total in the graded distributions.


awesome!
thanks for that
according to those I am getting A+ on most things and high A's on others. not as terrible as i thought. i assumed i would be getting like D's or something