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Need help for methods assignement
« on: May 22, 2009, 10:25:10 pm »
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I am having trouble with question 2d.
Can someone show me a proof?
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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2009, 11:23:33 pm »
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It must be an inverted parabola. The part smoothly joined to A is defined for x < -3. Clearly it does not pass through D (14, -126).

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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2009, 11:31:35 pm »
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Yeh but the inverted parabola doesnt satisfy smooth join, it makes an elbow, I asked my teacher and he said smooth join means must continue.
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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2009, 11:39:56 pm »
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The parabola is y = (-192/17)x^2 + (2112/17)x + 5922/17, x < -3.

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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2009, 11:51:42 pm »
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Yeh, I got that, the tricky part is, it says must prove cant have a smooth join, so how do I prove that the parabola doesnt smoothly join (i.e how to I prove it elbows?)
The proof must be rigourous also otherwise they might not allocate full marks
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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2009, 11:56:26 pm »
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You misunderstood the question!

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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2009, 12:00:03 am »
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You misunderstood the question!
What do you mean? Please explain
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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2009, 12:00:16 am »
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It is rigorous enough. Further explanation is unnecessary.

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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2009, 12:02:13 am »
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So saying parabola equation is The parabola is y = (-192/17)x^2 + (2112/17)x + 5922/17, x < -3.
is enough for an assignment question?
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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2009, 12:06:16 am »
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The question asked you to show that there is no parabola that meets both requirements, smoothly joined to A AND passing through D.

You can find a parabola that is NOT smoothly joined to A but passes through D.

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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2009, 12:09:30 am »
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The question asked you to show that there is no parabola that meets both requirements, smoothly joined to A AND passing through D.

You can find a parabola that is NOT smoothly joined to A but passes through D.
I know but how do you explain algebraically that it isnt a smooth join, if you just put the equation as your answer how would teachers know that that implies it isnt a smooth join. You can just sketch a graph of both and show that the inverted parabola elbows but how do u prove it with algebra instead of just saying by inspection it isnt a smooth join?
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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2009, 12:10:59 am »
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In fact it can be an inverted parabola or a 'normal' parabola.
The part smoothly joined to A is defined for x < -3. Clearly it does not pass through D (14, -126).
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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2009, 12:13:55 am »
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Say what I said.
It must be an inverted parabola.
The part smoothly joined to A is defined for x < -3. Clearly it does not pass through D (14, -126).
Im not quite sure what you mean for x<-3, isnt the graph restricted to x>=3?
Also the parabola you found, which is the same to mine, passes through D
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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2009, 12:19:12 am »
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x>=-3 is for the cubic, not for the parabola.

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Re: Need help for methods assignement
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2009, 12:21:23 am »
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I think that a smooth join means the first and second derivatives should be the same.
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