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ionisation problem
« on: November 10, 2012, 09:30:37 am »
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For the part ii), the answer says that 'To get back to equilibrium, ionisation of the acid increases causing the [H+] to increase until equilibrium is again established' but I don't understand why the ionisation of the acid would increase. :(


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Re: ionisation problem
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2012, 09:43:36 am »
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For the part ii), the answer says that 'To get back to equilibrium, ionisation of the acid increases causing the [H+] to increase until equilibrium is again established' but I don't understand why the ionisation of the acid would increase. :(


i think 2 is the weak acid as dilution has a greater effect on strong acids
the change would be re-establishing equilibrium :)
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Re: ionisation problem
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2012, 09:55:41 am »
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For the part ii), the answer says that 'To get back to equilibrium, ionisation of the acid increases causing the [H+] to increase until equilibrium is again established' but I don't understand why the ionisation of the acid would increase. :(


i think 2 is the weak acid as dilution has a greater effect on strong acids
the change would be re-establishing equilibrium :)

You are right. Yet, i still don't get why [H+] would increase....

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Re: ionisation problem
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2012, 10:06:09 am »
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For the part ii), the answer says that 'To get back to equilibrium, ionisation of the acid increases causing the [H+] to increase until equilibrium is again established' but I don't understand why the ionisation of the acid would increase. :(


i think 2 is the weak acid as dilution has a greater effect on strong acids
the change would be re-establishing equilibrium :)

You are right. Yet, i still don't get why [H+] would increase....

dilution will decrease the [H3O+] ions
pH = -log[H3O+]
Remember that according to Le Chatelier's principle when a change is made the system will more to partially oppose the change
So a decrease in H3O+ through dilution will cause the system to increase the concentration again.
Make sense?
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Re: ionisation problem
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2012, 01:00:15 pm »
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 Thanks a lot :)

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Re: ionisation problem
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2012, 01:08:06 pm »
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I think it's more the addition of water that shifts equilibrium in favour of the forward reaction, as HA + H2O <-> A- + H3O+
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Re: ionisation problem
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2012, 02:23:44 pm »
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I think it's more the addition of water that shifts equilibrium in favour of the forward reaction, as HA + H2O <-> A- + H3O+

either is correct
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Re: ionisation problem
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2012, 06:49:14 am »
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When the strong acid is ionised, the acid is completely ionised. Dilution of the fully ionised acid only dilute the acid.

For a weak acid HA <-> H+ + A-, (reactant:product = 1:2), a dilution causes the concn of total particles to decrease. According to LCP, a dilution causes the equilm to shift to the side of more particles. So, there s a forward shift and [H3O+] increases (thus the curved increase in graph 2).
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