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Help for an easy question.
« on: February 07, 2013, 09:48:43 pm »
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A tennis ball with 100 g is kicked off the ground with an initial velocity of 30m/s at an angle of theta to the horizontal. It is airborne for 5s before hitting the ground again.

Find:

a) What is the maximum height reached?
b) Find theta

a) My answer: v^2 = u^2 + 2ad
0 = 900 + 2(-10)d
20d = 900
d = 45 m

A couple of questions I have within this question is... how to know to use the other motion formulas instead of the one I used?
And could someone explain me about when to make gravity negative or positive? If the object is going in the direction of gravity (you decide) it is positive and if it is going against your choice of gravity direction, it is negative?

Not sure about b)

Thanks in advance xD !

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Re: Help for an easy question.
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 10:30:47 pm »
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Your answer to a) is incorrect, as you are taking the total initial velocity of the ball, instead of only the vertical component. If the ball was kicked directly up at 30ms-1, then your answer would be correct but it is instead being kicked at an angle.

As to picking the formula, it is very, very important to remember that your standard motion formulas only apply in one dimension. This question is in two dimensions, so you need to split it up into two separate axises; the vertical, and the horizontal. I find it easy to figure out which formula to use when I organise them like this (a cheat sheet is always handy in this course, this was on my one):

The 5 variables: u, v, a, t, and s (also could be x, d, l, or anything meaning displacement)
The 5 formulas:
v = u + at             (No s in formula)
s = 0.5t(u + v)     (No a in formula)
s = ut + 0.5at2     (No v in formula)
s = vt - 0.5at2      (No u in formula)
v2 = u2 + 2as       (No t in formula)

So, whenever you have a question, list out which three variables you know, and the variable you need to solve for. You will have one variable that you don't know and don't need to know, which you can use to find which formula to use. I find this much easier than trying to find which formula has all four variables the scenario calls for.


Using this method to solve your problem is easy. For part a), you don't know the initial vertical velocity, because you don't know the angle. You know the final vertical velocity is 0 (this is at the top of the path), and that a is equal to g (g is normally -10, because in many questions displacement upwards is positive [though if you define displacement downwards to be positive, then g is positive]). The question says that the time is 5 seconds, but you know that it only takes half that time for the ball to reach the highest point, so t = 2.5. And finally, what you need to find is s, the maximum heigh reached.

The one variable that is irrelevant to this equation is u. You don't know what it is, and you don't need to find it. So, the equation we'll use is:

s = vt - 0.5at2
Sub in your variables:
s = 0*2.5 - 0.5(-10)*2.52
s = 5*6.25
s = 31.25 m

That's your answer to a), now for b). We must first find the vertical component of the ball's initial velocity. We want to find u, we know that t = 2.5 as before, s = 31.25 as previously solved, that v = 0, and that a = -10. In this case, we can involve all 5 variables, so we can pick any equation we like, as long as it has u in it (as we are solving for u). Let's use this one, as it's damn simple:

v = u + at
0 = u + -10(2.5)
u = 25 ms-1

As we now know the vertical initial velocity, and the full initial velocity, we can use trig to solve the angle. Draw a right angle triangle with its right angle on the bottom right. The vertical side has a magnitude of 25, and the hypotenuse has a magnitude of 30.

sin(theta) = 25/30
theta = sin-1(5/6)
theta = 56o

I hope this helps, it ended up being rather lengthy   ;D
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Re: Help for an easy question.
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2013, 11:35:16 pm »
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availn, thanks a lot for such a detailed response! answered a lot of my queries haha.

Gladly appreciated it!

So the "u" is actually the vertical initial velocity? How would you know if it was going to be the horizontal one then?

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Re: Help for an easy question.
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2013, 03:04:29 pm »
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availn, thanks a lot for such a detailed response! answered a lot of my queries haha.

Gladly appreciated it!

So the "u" is actually the vertical initial velocity? How would you know if it was going to be the horizontal one then?

In this case "u" is simply defined as the vertical initial velocity because the vertical final velocity "v", would occur when the ball is at its highest point. (remember having a 0 vertical velocity component does not mean that the ball is stationary. In fact, the ball would still have a horizontal velocity component in this scenario.

Applying this to a real life scenario, consider throwing a frisbee. It appears to "glide" without fluctuating much in height, which is because it has a low vertical velocity component, but a high horizontal velocity component.

Now back to the definition of velocity. A velocity is basically movement with a direction. This direction can take any angle, and it can be broken down into two components, a vertical and horizontal one. If you find this hard to imagine, Draw a circle with x and y - axis. Now, relabel the x axis horizontal and your y axis vertical. Draw an arrow from the middle of the circle in any direction and use trigonometry to solve for your x and y coordinates. The length of your arrow would be your total velocity, x coordinate will represent horizontal velocity, and the y coordinate represents vertical velocity.

Hope this helped you gain a deeper understanding :)
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Re: Help for an easy question.
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2013, 10:20:08 pm »
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In this case "u" is simply defined as the vertical initial velocity because the vertical final velocity "v", would occur when the ball is at its highest point. (remember having a 0 vertical velocity component does not mean that the ball is stationary. In fact, the ball would still have a horizontal velocity component in this scenario.

Applying this to a real life scenario, consider throwing a frisbee. It appears to "glide" without fluctuating much in height, which is because it has a low vertical velocity component, but a high horizontal velocity component.

Now back to the definition of velocity. A velocity is basically movement with a direction. This direction can take any angle, and it can be broken down into two components, a vertical and horizontal one. If you find this hard to imagine, Draw a circle with x and y - axis. Now, relabel the x axis horizontal and your y axis vertical. Draw an arrow from the middle of the circle in any direction and use trigonometry to solve for your x and y coordinates. The length of your arrow would be your total velocity, x coordinate will represent horizontal velocity, and the y coordinate represents vertical velocity.

Hope this helped you gain a deeper understanding :)

Thanks!

I see, so you are saying that the given 30m/s represents a speed but does not mean it is the initial?




Also, another question haha


A person jumps through a fire loop on her bike. The bottom of fire loop is 6m above ground and the loop has a diameter of 5m. The person launches her bike off a ramp angled at theta to the horizontal and her initial velocity is 20m/s. Ignore mass of person/bike

Find:
a) What is the minimum theta needed for the dare to be completed?
b) What is the maximum theta?

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Re: Help for an easy question.
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 12:09:52 am »
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Thanks!

I see, so you are saying that the given 30m/s represents a speed but does not mean it is the initial?

30m/s IS the initial velocity but in the direction that it's thrown. Its velocity in the horizontal and vertical direction will be different, but if add those two up (the velocity vectors in the horizontal and vertical direction), you'll get the 30m/s in the the direction it's thrown.

This might help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OV1E9M9Kkc





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Re: Help for an easy question.
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 02:01:07 am »
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Thanks!

I see, so you are saying that the given 30m/s represents a speed but does not mean it is the initial?


The given 30 m/s is the velocity with a magnitude (speed) of 30 m/s in the direction where the force is applied.(in this case the direction of the kick, which is why the trajectory of the ball is an arc)

Velocity MUST have a magnitude and direction.

Also, another question haha


A person jumps through a fire loop on her bike. The bottom of fire loop is 6m above ground and the loop has a diameter of 5m. The person launches her bike off a ramp angled at theta to the horizontal and her initial velocity is 20m/s. Ignore mass of person/bike

Find:
a) What is the minimum theta needed for the dare to be completed?
b) What is the maximum theta?



I'll give you a hint to that question. First find the initial vertical velocity that would result in a 0 vertical velocity at the bottom at the loop (part a, top of loop for part b).

Once you have your initial vertical velocity, draw a right angled triangle. The height of your triangle will be the initial vertical velocity, and the hypotenuse the initial velocity (20m/s). Then, solve for the angle theta with simple trigonometry.

If you manage to get this right it would means you roughly understand the definition of velocity.
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Re: Help for an easy question.
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2013, 08:39:45 pm »
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yo guys another projectile motion with energy,

The ball's mass is 0.550 kg. Its initial kinetic energy is 110 J  and elevation is given by theta and max. height is h .

If h = 8, calculate the kinetic energy at this max. height.

I worked out it is 66 J as GPE at h = 8 is 44, hence KE at this height is 66 J

But shouldn't KE be 0 since this is a max height?

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Re: Help for an easy question.
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2013, 09:22:19 pm »
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It still has horizontal velocity. Only the vertical is zero at Max height