spesh or further?

[sunny246]

I want to do engineering / commerce and i was wondering what i should do. Im not the best at math although i am at the top end of my class. I have come up with the theory that if i choose further it would be much more easier to get a 45+ then spesh where its really hard to get a 33 which scales to 45.

For further there is less stress and less time although it may not be as beneficial for me in uni as much as spesh would.

Like i said im not the best at maths and i always make silly mistakes on test. This is what has stopped me from getting 100% on most of my math tests i always make mistakes like putting a negative sign in front of the equation to forgetting to add stupid numbers like 1 or 2 to the answer!!

[pi]

Mate, please post in the CORRECT board next time, and PLEASE stop making a new thread for every thing. This question is very similar to your previous 5 (which were all the same)...

I'll leave this here as it is a *little* bit different, but please show some restraint.

In case you're wondering, I moved this from "General National Education Discussion" to "Victorian Education Discussion" because it is a Victoria-specific question, not a National and broader question.

[sunny246]

Mate, please post in the CORRECT board next time, and PLEASE stop making a new thread for every thing. This question is very similar to your previous 5 (which were all the same)...

I'll leave this here as it is a *little* bit different, but please show some restraint.

Im new to this.. What board should this go into and yeah sorry man

[pi]

Added this to my post as a late edit:
"In case you're wondering, I moved this from "General National Education Discussion" to "Victorian Education Discussion" because it is a Victoria-specific question, not a National and broader question."

[sunny246]

Added this to my post as a late edit:
"In case you're wondering, I moved this from "General National Education Discussion" to "Victorian Education Discussion" because it is a Victoria-specific question, not a National and broader question."

Thanks alot man i will do that from now on!!

[TommyLie]

Plain and simply, spesh will be a massive help for engineering. Further will literally not help in the slightest (In terms of the maths you do; maybe Trig & Geometry will be useful revision, but hopefully you already know the volume of a cube etc..). So ignoring what you're 'capable of', you should without a doubt do spesh over further.

As for difficulty, I can guarantee it would be easier to get ~ 33 in spesh than 45 in further. In spesh 33 would be achieved with, at lowest a C+ and B, where in another case maybe a B+ and B may get that (depends on a lot of variables). 45 in Further is A+ for everything, top rank, with losing, at max, a couple of marks in the exam over all. Very, very hard, not because further is conceptually difficult, but because it is hard for humans to be this perfect under pressure and in limited time.

Another thing to consider, studying for methods & specialist is like studying for a single subject. They compliment each other as they cover exactly the same areas of mathematics but to different difficulty levels, so this essentially reduces the workload - as oppose to studying two subjects of the same difficulty as spesh and methods that are unrelated. Further is nothing like methods, and so they would not compliment each other thus meaning essentially more study (If you're looking for 45 raw anyway, otherwise you could get away with not much study for further). Also, doing spesh will make you much better at methods as well, so even if you don't go as well in spesh for what ever reason, you will go better in methods regardless.

[sunny246]

Plain and simply, spesh will be a massive help for engineering. Further will literally not help in the slightest (In terms of the maths you do; maybe Trig & Geometry will be useful revision, but hopefully you already know the volume of a cube etc..). So ignoring what you're 'capable of', you should without a doubt do spesh over further.

As for difficulty, I can guarantee it would be easier to get ~ 33 in spesh than 45 in further. In spesh 33 would be achieved with, at lowest a C+ and B, where in another case maybe a B+ and B may get that (depends on a lot of variables). 45 in Further is A+ for everything, top rank, with losing, at max, a couple of marks in the exam over all. Very, very hard, not because further is conceptually difficult, but because it is hard for humans to be this perfect under pressure and in limited time.

Another thing to consider, studying for methods & specialist is like studying for a single subject. They compliment each other as they cover exactly the same areas of mathematics but to different difficulty levels, so this essentially reduces the workload - as oppose to studying two subjects of the same difficulty as spesh and methods that are unrelated. Further is nothing like methods, and so they would not compliment each other thus meaning essentially more study (If you're looking for 45 raw anyway, otherwise you could get away with not much study for further). Also, doing spesh will make you much better at methods as well, so even if you don't go as well in spesh for what ever reason, you will go better in methods regardless.

the thing is i woudl be doing english,chem, accounting, physics, spesh and methods but it would be too much of a overload!!

The reason i want to do further is so that i can get it out of the way in year 11 then only have to worry about eng,physics,accounting,methods and chem.

And btw i dunno how to put this in perspective.

atm I'm doing tuition for methods 1 and 2 and im literally failing and i dont get much. Whereas at school i ace all my tests and am in the top range in my class. In summary im good at work my own level but i struggle with advanced work (e.g methods) maybe because i havent got the basic concepts.

So if you could please explain more, whether i should do spesh. Although spesh compliments physics and methods rather well, you have to think about the workload.

thanks if you can answer back ))

[pi]

the thing is i woudl be doing english,chem, accounting, physics, spesh and methods but it would be too much of a overload!!

No offence, but your goal is a degree with engineering in it. If you feel those 6 subjects (which I would call "normal" for an MHS student) are too much and are "overload", then I do wonder about your choice in career a little. It only gets tougher.

[sunny246]

No offence, but your goal is a degree with engineering in it. If you feel those 6 subjects (which I would call "normal" for an MHS student) are too much and are "overload", then I do wonder about your choice in career a little. It only gets tougher.

like i said. Yes, I am good with maths, but I am not sure about specialist – I have thought about it, but I am not sure that it would be a large asset towards my ATAR. If I end up with English, Methods, Chem, Physics and further would this not gain a large enough score? I suppose the only option would be replacing further with specialist, which would mean probably higher scores but then less interest and therefore >study time and passion.

[pi]

A 40 in spesh (scaling to ~51) is easier to get than a 50 in further imo. Spesh would also help with your degree.

Food for thought.

Here's another suggestion. Enroll in GMA. If you don't like it, jump ship to Further. If you do like it, enjoy the ride into Spesh. /endofthread