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thepikanation:
In my philosophy class we have just read Simone Weil, and had a mutual conclusion that she is actually crazy! Does any other class find that many of her ideas on the 13 needs of the soul are completely contradictory? Or is that just our class not being able to understand the meaning properly.

Also as another note, what philosophers have you guys covered? We've currently fiinished studying Aristotle, Plato (Socrates and Callicles), Nietzsche and Weil.

HossRyams:

--- Quote from: thepikanation on May 04, 2013, 03:38:29 pm ---In my philosophy class we have just read Simone Weil, and had a mutual conclusion that she is actually crazy! Does any other class find that many of her ideas on the 13 needs of the soul are completely contradictory? Or is that just our class not being able to understand the meaning properly.

Also as another note, what philosophers have you guys covered? We've currently fiinished studying Aristotle, Plato (Socrates and Callicles), Nietzsche and Weil.

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My class only started on Weil (had our second class on it yesterday/Monday). I think her ideas are more straightforward in terms of what she considers a good life (I mean she immediately addresses the need for physical needs and what exact things we need to feed our soul or whatever) but I found it dreadful reading through all those needs... Furthermore a lot of her writing was just eloquence and her whole idea that obligations are in a metaphysical realm was kinda iffy to me. (perhaps she is indeed crazy)

Anyway the pattern I noticed is that upon first reading I am often confused, but by the time my teacher explains them all it all makes perfect sense, so when I read it again, light bulbs and everything hahaha

And yep, we've done the same here at Nossal hole. Just after we finish this we are spending some time on focusing outcome 3 (I think) or whatever that is dedicated to a particular criteria whereby we have to draw wider resources into the topic, and then we'll start on unit 4.

thepikanation:

--- Quote from: youshine on May 07, 2013, 01:50:51 am ---My class only started on Weil (had our second class on it yesterday/Monday). I think her ideas are more straightforward in terms of what she considers a good life (I mean she immediately addresses the need for physical needs and what exact things we need to feed our soul or whatever) but I found it dreadful reading through all those needs... Furthermore a lot of her writing was just eloquence and her whole idea that obligations are in a metaphysical realm was kinda iffy to me. (perhaps she is indeed crazy)

Anyway the pattern I noticed is that upon first reading I am often confused, but by the time my teacher explains them all it all makes perfect sense, so when I read it again, light bulbs and everything hahaha

And yep, we've done the same here at Nossal hole. Just after we finish this we are spending some time on focusing outcome 3 (I think) or whatever that is dedicated to a particular criteria whereby we have to draw wider resources into the topic, and then we'll start on unit 4.

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Just before I start to reply to this, I just googled Nossal and your scores last year (l thought it looked like you might be dux this year). But what I saw was YSB and laughed so hard OMG that's absolutely hilarious!!

Anyway yeah I agree that the good life according to Weil is straightforward, fulfil the 14 needs or "fall into a state more or less resembling death". As one cannot live a good life without their fulfilment, at least that's what our class gathered.

Just to check, have you Nossal guys analysed the Freedom of Opinion section? Because that, and the need for Truth are so incredulously ridiculous I think, when you read the line "Nothing in all of this would involve the slightest attack on public liberty". That's when we gave up, too much contradictions! She MUST be crazy!!

I agree that when it's stepped through with a teacher it becomes much more clear than just with personal reading. I know I gave up on my first attempt XD

We have our OC2 SAC on Wednesday, then on to OC3 by the end of the month. Yep, two weeks between the two outcomes. It's going to be hectic.. The wider resources is OC3, OC2 is the comparative essay (Nietzsche v Weil for us).

Weil let's see how things go! (awful pun and it's not even pronounced right haha) Maybe Nossal will finally get their first philosophy study score above 40! Gippsland Grammar is running the course for the first time so we have no idea how we're going to go at the end of the year :P

HossRyams:

--- Quote from: thepikanation on May 12, 2013, 10:55:15 pm ---Just before I start to reply to this, I just googled Nossal and your scores last year (l thought it looked like you might be dux this year). But what I saw was YSB and laughed so hard OMG that's absolutely hilarious!!

Anyway yeah I agree that the good life according to Weil is straightforward, fulfil the 14 needs or "fall into a state more or less resembling death". As one cannot live a good life without their fulfilment, at least that's what our class gathered.

Just to check, have you Nossal guys analysed the Freedom of Opinion section? Because that, and the need for Truth are so incredulously ridiculous I think, when you read the line "Nothing in all of this would involve the slightest attack on public liberty". That's when we gave up, too much contradictions! She MUST be crazy!!

I agree that when it's stepped through with a teacher it becomes much more clear than just with personal reading. I know I gave up on my first attempt XD

We have our OC2 SAC on Wednesday, then on to OC3 by the end of the month. Yep, two weeks between the two outcomes. It's going to be hectic.. The wider resources is OC3, OC2 is the comparative essay (Nietzsche v Weil for us).

Weil let's see how things go! (awful pun and it's not even pronounced right haha) Maybe Nossal will finally get their first philosophy study score above 40! Gippsland Grammar is running the course for the first time so we have no idea how we're going to go at the end of the year :P

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Haha I hope so! My Philosophy class will be the first ever 3/4 class for Nossal. In fact we won't really see how well Nossal is doing until the end of this year since last year all the of the students doing 3/4s were in year 11.

Ah yes, we are doing a comparative SAC as well but I'm not sure if it's an essay or a short answer test. Or both.

I hope for OC3 I can use my religion because it's very philosophical and realistic... Kind of like a self-help guide haha.

Also we were supposed to analyse that section on Friday but our teacher was away so I should be doing so tomorrow!

Anyway there's no way possible I'd be dux for Nossal. There are quite a few students who got high 40s for both of their 3/4 subjects in year 11, putting my scores to shame haha. I'm really proud of us though; we got a lot of 40+s for a brand new school full of year 9-11s only, but this year we don't have any more excuses (wew our first year with a full school).

And YSB? What do you mean YSB? Sounds like a gang....? LMFAO

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