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Re: Redox HELP!!! thanks you
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2013, 07:47:14 pm »
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what about the h2o?

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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2013, 07:59:30 pm »
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Well, compare the oxidation numbers of the elements in H2O and the products which have H and O. What can you see?
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Re: Redox HELP!!! thanks you
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2013, 08:08:23 pm »
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I know on the left side H = 2+  o+2-,

not sure about the right side :(

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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2013, 08:24:48 pm »
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I know on the left side H = 2+  o+2-,

not sure about the right side :(
Alright, remember that in H2O there are 2 hydrogens and one oxygen. So yeah, both hydrogens together are +2, but you can't say they are individually +2: they are individually +1.

Cd + NiO2 +2H2O ---> Cd(OH)2 + Ni(OH)2

Cd(OH)2: we know that oxygen and hydrogen under most circumstances will have -2 (exceptions are when oxygen is with fluorine, in a superoxide, peroxide) and +1 (exceptions are when hydrogen is bonded to something less electronegative than it, ie. in hydrides (NaH)) respectively. Alternatively, OH- is an overall -1, and we know the constituent elements must have oxidation numbers that add up to the net charge of the element. Hence, oxygen is still -2 here and hydrogen is still +1.

Ni(OH)2: same thing here.

So as we can see, the hydrogens and oxygens are not oxidised or reduced.
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2013, 09:42:57 pm »
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yes thank you so so much psyxwar:)

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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2013, 09:48:48 pm »
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This might sound a bit like advertising, but it fits the topic:
The videos below might help a little bit if you are confused on these topics. 

Assigning oxidation numbers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTil_in5KbA&feature=share&list=PL192EE07242D5019A
Balancing complex redox equations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFr8JdqSAa8&list=PL192EE07242D5019A&index=23
Questions involving redox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CotFqedMVVA&list=PL192EE07242D5019A&index=24
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Re: Redox HELP!!! thanks you
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2013, 09:53:29 pm »
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in 2Fe(OH)2 + H2O2 --->  2Fe(OH)3

I know Fe is oxidised because from Fe 2+ it turned into Fe 3+, but what about H2O2, is it reduced and how, I can't work out the oxidation number method...

thank you in advance :)

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« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2013, 09:54:21 pm »
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yup thank you jgoudie, i'll check them out :)

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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2013, 09:55:43 pm »
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Here's one of the special cases I mentioned for oxygen:

Hydrogen peroxide, H2O2 contains the peroxide ion, O22- In peroxides, oxygen's oxidation number is only -1.
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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2013, 09:57:20 pm »
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in 2Fe(OH)2 + H2O2 --->  2Fe(OH)3

I know Fe is oxidised because from Fe 2+ it turned into Fe 3+, but what about H2O2, is it reduced and how, I can't work out the oxidation number method...

thank you in advance :)

Hydrogen peroxide is covalent and so does NOT contain the peroxide ion.
What it does have, however, is an oxygen-oxygen bond. The structure looks like H-O-O-H. As you can see, as oxygen is more electronegative than hydrogen, oxygen gains an electron and so has oxidation state of -1. When bonded to another identical atom, oxygen does not gain or lose an electron.
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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2013, 09:59:20 pm »
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ah, fair enough. My bad!
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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2013, 10:24:41 pm »
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um.. sorry but
how does it prove that h2o2 is reduced?

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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2013, 10:31:20 pm »
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Well, oxygen is going from -1 to -2.
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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2013, 10:37:02 pm »
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how did you get that?

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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2013, 10:41:56 pm »
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how did you get that?
I'm referring to the oxygen in the hydrogen peroxide specifically. The oxygen in the other reactant doesn't change in oxidation number.
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