Provide reasoning for post deletion

[AppleXY]

Yeah, I have to agree with dcc as well on this one.

[kurrymuncher]

Yeah, I have to agree with dcc as well on this one.

[TrueTears]

I fully agree with what ninwa said, I mean how long does it take to just post a quick message giving the reason for a removal of post? Surely it won't take much time.

[costargh]

I predict that the amount of spam/off-topic posts remaining on the site will increase if this change is implemented.

Consider the effects.

[dcc]

Less lazy moderators?

[ninwa]

I predict that the amount of spam/off-topic posts remaining on the site will increase if this change is implemented.

Why?

[costargh]

What I'm wondering is, does this make the 'remove' button redundant, and every post has to be edited instead?

[dcc]

It could be possible that upon the removal of a post, you use the 'quick reply' function to provide a concise explanation of why the post was removed. 

[shinny]

I predict that the amount of spam/off-topic posts remaining on the site will increase if this change is implemented.

Consider the effects.

Whut? dcc's explanation on how this would decrease the amount seems pretty logical to me.

What I'm wondering is, does this make the 'remove' button redundant, and every post has to be edited instead?

And why's this relevant? =\

And yeh, I guess I do agree with dcc and I'll try and include reasons when I do delete (well, edit). It's kind of a reflex to just click the remove button now though. Problem is, I have a feeling this is only going to inevitably lead to more arguments against what is delete-worthy or not given that we now have to supply reasons, of which there are many grey areas within. Even worse is that our own names are going to be attributed to each delete, so I have a feeling there's going to be lots of grudges being held and mod-targeted flame to be had, which might make us less inclined in the end to delete certain posts. However, still, I think dcc's idea is still the way to go and this is just a side-effect we'll needa deal with.

EDIT:

It could be possible that upon the removal of a post, you use the 'quick reply' function to provide a concise explanation of why the post was removed. 

Probably best to stick with editing people's post in a standard format. Quick replies will make the thread too messy if the deleted post wasn't the last one there.

[Glockmeister]

And yeh, I guess I do agree with dcc and I'll try and include reasons when I do delete (well, edit). It's kind of a reflex to just click the remove button now though. Problem is, I have a feeling this is only going to inevitably lead to more arguments against what is delete-worthy or not given that we now have to supply reasons, of which there are many grey areas within. Even worse is that our own names are going to be attributed to each delete, so I have a feeling there's going to be lots of grudges being held and mod-targeted flame to be had, which might make us less inclined in the end to delete certain posts. However, still, I think dcc's idea is still the way to go and this is just a side-effect we'll needa deal with.

I think this is actually a good thing. It makes the moderators accountable to the people they moderate and will allow us to clear up the fuzzy edges in the CoC which may occur from time to time in an open and honest manner. Sort of like how Science is done.

I predict that the amount of spam/off-topic posts remaining on the site will increase if this change is implemented.

Consider the effects.

I predict the amount of leprechauns will increase if this change is implemented.  

Consider the effects.

[ninwa]

Problem is, I have a feeling this is only going to inevitably lead to more arguments against what is delete-worthy or not given that we now have to supply reasons, of which there are many grey areas within. Even worse is that our own names are going to be attributed to each delete, so I have a feeling there's going to be lots of grudges being held and mod-targeted flame to be had, which might make us less inclined in the end to delete certain posts. However, still, I think dcc's idea is still the way to go and this is just a side-effect we'll needa deal with.

Yeah, there will be arguments, but most of the cases are quite clear-cut. And if they're not I suppose it'll be moderator's discretion - which is how it is now anyway. So better to have arbitrary decisions + reasons rather than arbitrary decisions on their own.
As for mod-targeted flame, we're all big girls and boys, we can deal with it and if it gets really bad, well then it would be harrassment, which is ban-worthy. I don't think anyone on VN is that spiteful though (or has so little of a life IRL that they have to carry grudges against people they've most likely never met on a VCE website).

Probably best to stick with editing people's post in a standard format. Quick replies will make the thread too messy if the deleted post wasn't the last one there.

Agreed, it won't even take a minute, maybe 30 seconds.

[EvangelionZeta]

Not sure if it's impossible to implement here, but I know that GameFAQs uses a system wherein posts are deleted with a reason attached (ie. you get a message from the site saying your message was deleted for "xyz" reason).  The user is then given the opportunity to contest it if they feel that their moderation is unjustified, and in the event of a certain number of failed contests (can't remember how many), their right to do so is simply removed.  Perhaps some kind of system similar to this could be implemented here?

In regards to personal feuds erupting, in the event of moderators being unwilling to reveal their moderations perhaps an "Anonymous" moderator account could be created for use in such circumstances? 

Just my two cents.

[Glockmeister]

In regards to personal feuds erupting, in the event of moderators being unwilling to reveal their moderations perhaps an "Anonymous" moderator account could be created for use in such circumstances?  

Just my two cents.

No I think that ruins the whole point of this exercise, which is increased accountability. Having this big, Orwellian Big Brother doing the moderator tasks doesn't really increase accountability, I think.

[Toothpaste]

yo kids.

http://www.medstudentsonline.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=35&order=desc&page=2
Scroll down till you see the pink threads. They show reason and moderator name for the deletions (also for individual posts but I'm not going to bother digging them up for examples). Does SMF have something like that?

As for people having personal vendettas against moderators ... go outside and hug a tree. It might do you some good.

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If it's too hard to ask of the moderating team then maybe with a few more moderators the job could be divided up a bit more.