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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #75 on: October 03, 2014, 08:07:48 pm »
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I just noticed that Monash is offering a new unit - MTH2025, which appears to be like MTH2015 but for the linear algebra unit.

I am very intrigued and curious to do 2025.
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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #76 on: October 04, 2014, 12:18:41 pm »
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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #77 on: October 04, 2014, 12:36:55 pm »
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There's gotta be someone here who still believes in the advanced maths units.

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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #78 on: October 04, 2014, 02:35:45 pm »
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There's gotta be someone here who still believes in the advanced maths units.

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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #79 on: October 05, 2014, 01:51:19 am »
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Hmm, this new 'advanced' linear algebra unit is certainly an interesting idea - but I wonder about its motivation. The general consensus (from fellow students) I got when studying MTH2021 last year, was that most didn't mind the computational and applied aspects of the unit, but there didn't seem to be a lot of love for the purer, abstract, general stuff (as you can probably guess at from the comments above).

A peer summarised this feeling quite well - MTH2021 is classified as an 'applied' unit, but is taught more in the style of a 'pure' unit. What does that mean? Well, firstly, part of the course deals with more general and abstract concepts relating to matrices and vectors. A lot of people said that trying to get through 'general vector spaces' was when the hate first started. The whole concept of matrices and vectors had basically become abstracted to something so vague and general that it was hard to conceptualise what our minds were grappling with now.

What kinds of properties did these 'general vectors' have? Well, it turns out this is where the counterintuitive proofs came in - essentially proving stuff that appears to be intuitive. Why do we do this? So we KNOW that we are justified in manipulating these objects as our intuition suggests. This is a quality that is more associated with pure maths - we want full rigour; we want to build up a general mathematical framework from the most basic of axioms, and we most certainly want proof! However, I think that for most students studying MTH2021, it is not the process (proving intuitive properties) that is of greatest importance, but rather the end result (knowing that you can use those properties). As a result, attempting to place these bits of pure maths in the unit probably resulted in an inhomogeneous blend that just made things worse for pretty much everyone.

When it was time for assessments, it was mostly the computational and procedural aspects of this unit that ended up being tested. The simpler proofs that ended up being questions did not contribute too much to the overall final mark.

With all this in mind, perhaps MTH2025 is meant to be for those who enjoy engaging in purer, more abstract-styled maths. How will it be different to MTH2021? I reckon the lectures will be the same, but the weekly tutes will probably have some additional stuff on there. That, and/or the assessment questions will probably have more proof-based material. I guess time will tell. It looks like MTH2021 is still going to contain those purer aspects in its design, so I guess things aren't really going to change there.


With regard to the 'advanced' maths units as a whole, I personally think that while it can be fun to extend your learning and delve deeper, the time needed to understand the material (keeping in mind how much of it is assessable) really has to be considered. Taking the advanced units also means less tute time to discuss the bits of the 'standard' unit that may prove challenging. My overall opinion of these units is that if you're the kind of student these programs target, you'll probably have *some* fun being exposed to new concepts and learning extensions/background to the stuff you do in the normal classes. But at the same time, if you do the regular unit, I'd say you're definitely not missing out on all that much.

If you're still undecided on advanced units - I say give it a go; most course coordinators are more than happy to 'transfer' you back to the regular unit after a couple of weeks if you decide this isn't for you, no harm done. But I reckon it takes a bit of commitment (or masochism) to persist beyond that, so perhaps if you're still uncertain, erring on the side of caution might be prudent.

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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #80 on: October 05, 2014, 07:27:44 pm »
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Thanks for quite the extensive reply, nerdgasm!

I had heard all that about 2021 - maybe the advanced unit is to try and limit some of the rigor in the regular unit, as much as present more pure material for those who want it?

Either way, it seems like I should possibly send Tim an e-mail about it (it says he's the coordinator for both, I'd have thought they'd get someone new for 2025), and see if he has any early comments on the new unit.

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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #81 on: October 07, 2014, 08:25:22 pm »
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UPDATE FOR THE PURE GUYS~

So, while trying to apply for a second year research project, I found out they've changed some of the pure units. Topology has been moved to second semester, and renamed "Functional Analysis", and to fix the moving-semesters they've also moved Diff Geo to first semester.

Also, if anyone cares, the Double Major in Mathematics and Mathematical Statistics is now just an Extended Major in Mathematical Statistics (because really, adding in the extra "mathematics" part is just a tad ridiculous, hahah)

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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2014, 12:00:37 am »
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they will be integrating astrophysics with physics..I wonder how that would change things in maths
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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #83 on: December 19, 2014, 03:00:41 pm »
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Has anyone here done MTH3241? I've done a fair few of stochastic processes subjects already and was looking for a relatively easier subject to add to my econometrics honours. How would it compare to say, ETC3420 or MTH3251?
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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #84 on: December 19, 2014, 09:53:14 pm »
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Has anyone here done MTH3241? I've done a fair few of stochastic processes subjects already and was looking for a relatively easier subject to add to my econometrics honours. How would it compare to say, ETC3420 or MTH3251?

You probably won't find too many people who have done the unit that will notice this post - however, TrueTears will definitely be able to give you an answer.

I do have one friend who did both MTH3251 and MTH3241, and he said that he found MTH3241 to be a lot easier (in fact, he failed MTH3251, but did fairly well in MTH3241).

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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #85 on: December 24, 2014, 11:31:38 am »
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Hmm, this new 'advanced' linear algebra unit is certainly an interesting idea - but I wonder about its motivation.

One somewhat unique target audience for this may be students who took the University of Melbourne Extension Maths in Year 12 (roughly equivalent to Accelerated Maths I at Melb Uni). Accelerated Maths I is supposed to encompass linear algebra but, traditionally, extension students who go to Monash are given credit for MTH1030 instead. This makes MTH2021 easy because they've done ~50% of it before. (For the other ~50%, MTH2021 goes into heaps of applications, including a large section on coding and even venturing as far out as economics and traffic systems. It also delves deeper into other concepts like complex vector spaces.)


UPDATE FOR THE PURE GUYS~

So, while trying to apply for a second year research project, I found out they've changed some of the pure units. Topology has been moved to second semester, and renamed "Functional Analysis", and to fix the moving-semesters they've also moved Diff Geo to first semester.

Thanks for pointing that out! It would have taken me a while to figure that out on my own. (Incidentally, this also sends my plans for next year into slight disarray.)
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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #86 on: December 24, 2014, 11:40:02 am »
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One somewhat unique target audience for this may be students who took the University of Melbourne Extension Maths in Year 12 (roughly equivalent to Accelerated Maths I at Melb Uni). Accelerated Maths I is supposed to encompass linear algebra but, traditionally, extension students who go to Monash are given credit for MTH1030 instead. This makes MTH2021 easy because they've done ~50% of it before. (For the other ~50%, MTH2021 goes into heaps of applications, including a large section on coding and even venturing as far out as economics and traffic systems. It also delves deeper into other concepts like complex vector spaces.)

Except I'm looking through the handbook now, and it looks like what's done in advanced mathematics is only slightly more than the amount of linear algebra in MTH1030. I personally think the motivation is simply the same as that behind MTH1035, or MTH2015 - let's teach the students more cool things about maths, just for the sake of it. Who knows - they may venture to do this for all of the common maths units (only other one I can think of MTH2032, though...) for the same reason.

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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #87 on: December 25, 2014, 07:40:19 pm »
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Anyone completed ENG2091 ?
Please PM me, looking for lecture notes and problem sets.
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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #88 on: December 28, 2014, 08:09:01 pm »
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Hey all,

Doing MAT1830 at Monash next semester and I found this really old upload of the lecture notes and questions.
See: http://www.slideshare.net/CameronBanks/mat1830-notes2014

I know it's a long shot, but does anyone know if these are the current lecture notes or if there are any available problem sets from last semester?

If not I have a couple of questions from the PDF above - are there any threads/subforums on AN that I can get help?

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Re: Monash Maths thread
« Reply #89 on: December 29, 2014, 02:44:47 am »
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Hey all,

Doing MAT1830 at Monash next semester and I found this really old upload of the lecture notes and questions.
See: http://www.slideshare.net/CameronBanks/mat1830-notes2014

I know it's a long shot, but does anyone know if these are the current lecture notes or if there are any available problem sets from last semester?
Those are actually the most recent notes for this unit, from 2014 semester 1 (it only runs in semester 1).

If not I have a couple of questions from the PDF above - are there any threads/subforums on AN that I can get help?

Cheers buddies!
I did this unit in semester 1 this year but I'm pretty sure all the MAT1830 stuff I had was on my harddrive that became corrupt and hence I lost it all. If you're keen to look at some problem sets you could probably shoot Daniel Horsley (Coordinator/lecturer for the unit) an email and ask if you could have a look at them, since he was a pretty chill guy.

If you require any assistance with any of the content in this unit feel free to post in this thread about it - I'm sure a few of us remember enough of the content to help you! :)
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