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cosine:
Would reading books improve my english skills? And is it a good idea to read other books in year 12 besides our school ones? Thanks
brenden:
--- Quote from: cosine on January 23, 2015, 07:31:16 am ---Would reading books improve my english skills? And is it a good idea to read other books in year 12 besides our school ones? Thanks
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Yes and yes :).
cosine:
--- Quote from: Ned Nerb on January 23, 2015, 09:43:47 am ---Yes and yes :).
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Hahaha thank you :P
literally lauren:
--- Quote from: g1mp1e on January 22, 2015, 08:18:04 pm ---Hey Lauren,
With regards to your lecture today, particularly with language analysis, I've previously been told to structure my ideas into different effects on stakeholders, and the different tonal shifts/language/etc. used for each stakeholder and how they vary according to whom the writer is "talking to". (e.g. in Martin Luther King's speech, he addresses the American people, the American government, and his fellow black Americans - and so you would structure your paragraphs around these three groups of targeted audiences). However, as you said today, we should perhaps aim to split our paragraphs into ideas and concepts raised. My question is, could you explain your way of splitting it into ideas and concepts a bit further, and would you recommend using one or the other, or can you use a mix of the two? If so, how would you go about doing this?
Awesome lecture today by the way!
Much thanks! :)
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Now that the lecture is over, I'm in the process of compiling a full guide to the whole 'key players' thing, since I felt like a raced through it and I know some people will be totally unfamiliar with those concepts. It'll be posted here when ready :)
--- Quote from: Zezima. on January 23, 2015, 12:13:32 am ---Stakeholders don't have to be a person - it's just something the author has an opinion on.
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I think the issue many people have with this kind of terminology is that every teacher/ school has their own definitions. So what Zezima describes as stakeholders, I would call non-abstracted key players. Whereas the 'stakeholders' I learned about were the people with vested interests in the issue; <-- an essentially useless label because there's not always multiple persons or groups involved.
--- Quote from: Zezima. on January 23, 2015, 12:13:32 am ---For example, this is how you would use the stakeholder approach would work.
Body paragraph one: American society (analyse everything said about this)
Body paragraph two: Racism; repeat above
Body paragraph three: Racist people; repeat above.
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This would be a variation on the example I gave in the lecture, except I tended to expand the players to incorporate part of the contention (kind of like what you were doing with tone)
Eg.
BP1: The way American society should strive to be more inclusive
BP2: The damaging effects of racism
BP3: How racist people are extremely misguided
Or some such variation of the above. The exact focus would be up to you; the assessor's don't have a set list of right/wrong breakdowns, it's just about what suits your writing style, and what helps you give a full sense of the piece(s).
I guess it comes down to the semantics of what an 'argument' is; <-- a very interesting discussion that would be best to ignore for the sake of not over-complicating VCE English :P
So like I said yesterday, if you have a system that works for you, stick with it!
The reason I recommend having longer, more expansive ideas is because if you're a student who's been structuring by techniques, or barely considering structure at all, jumping straight into dividing arguments and ideas can be daunting, so that contention provides more focus. I've also found it way simpler for the more difficult articles where there's either only one real 'stakeholder' (a la 2011 exam) or when there are so many stakeholders that grouping them becomes unrealistic.
But I made a deliberate effort to explore other structures as well, since provided you're aware of the potential drawbacks in structuring by tone and/or argument, you'll be thinking on your toes and they shouldn't be too much of a concern.
--- Quote from: cosine on January 23, 2015, 07:31:16 am ---Would reading books improve my english skills? And is it a good idea to read other books in year 12 besides our school ones? Thanks
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Without a doubt, and good god yes.
cosine:
Hey lauren,
I am currently reading my book again and composing quotes and important things to note, is this a good idea?
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