What do you think can/should be done about bullying??

[Over9000]

The thing is periwinkle, I can understand what he means, in primary school I think 100% nobody has to HTFU, no body.

In highschool though, it becomes necessary to, since this is where a lot of issues happen.

However, most bullies tend to do it continually, over months/years, nobody can be expected to keep it inside-which is HTFU practically means, for that long. If it was one off's etc it would be possible, but not continuous,

No, people shud be allowed to be weak and not have to worry about people beating the shit out of them, I for one wudnt like being told id have to harden up if I were getting bashed, high school or not.

[periwinkle]

 Well, to 'htfu' could mean to assume a state which, in some cases, negates the motivation of the bullies to cause emotional harm, like a shield. But, rest assured, I don't think there's ever an excuse for bullying, just like rape victims can never be said to be "asking for it" or in any way at fault.

[Over9000]

Well, to 'htfu' could mean to assume a state which, in some cases, negates the motivation of the bullies to cause emotional harm, like a shield. But, rest assured, I don't think there's ever an excuse for bullying, just like rape victims can never be said to be "asking for it" or in any way at fault.

Ye I agree. Making out like someone should just act in a way that doesnt provoke sum1 is like telling a beautiful woman to look ugly so she wont get raped, why shud they have to?

[xXNovaxX]

No, no I agree!! I didn't mean it like that.

I mean, like in primary school you have "Im gona dob on you, you yelled at me"

....in high-school people should NOT do that
haha, that's all I meant.

I did stress in my other post people shouldn't be picked on if they are merely being themselves

[Over9000]

No, no I agree!! I didn't mean it like that.

I mean, like in primary school you have "Im gona dob on you, you yelled at me"

....in high-school people should NOT do that
haha, that's all I meant.

I did stress in my other post people shouldn't be picked on if they are merely being themselves

Yes, the main problem occurs when having to deal with bullies (dobbing provokes them so what to do), which is why I think what should happen is that they should never be given a chance to bully, either in the form of much harsher punishments or other ways that I cant think of.

[boysenberry]

Yes, the main problem occurs when having to deal with bullies (dobbing provokes them so what to do), which is why I think what should happen is that they should never be given a chance to bully, either in the form of much harsher punishments or other ways that I cant think of.

Are you suggesting the implementation of corporal punishment?

[xXNovaxX]

^^ spot on. I started this thread (i think it was me who started it =S), to see what FORMS/ SOLUTIONS can occur, because no  offence to schools, but they do NOTHING.

WHat made me so angry is the State Gov. broguht in a few weeks ago stricter rules so u CANNOT suspend people for longer the "x"d  days (it was like cut in HALF i think), and u cannot expel them witohut seeking approval by the Dept.

That is so stupid, I see NO ADVANTAGE/ PURPOSE in that what so ever, the number of bullies I have seen kicked out/ expelled SERIOUSLY brought a noticeable difference to my school.

If its because they care about them "missing learning time" well then thats a consequence, and I dont think many want to learn. And besides, for those that do, the school should provide h/w or something.

U are spot on again, the SLIGHEST sign of bullying= punishment.

People tend to think you bully when you wound someone....it's not as clear cut as that.

[xXNovaxX]

Yes, the main problem occurs when having to deal with bullies (dobbing provokes them so what to do), which is why I think what should happen is that they should never be given a chance to bully, either in the form of much harsher punishments or other ways that I cant think of.

Are you suggesting the implementation of corporal punishment?

DO NOT GO THERE. I would NEVER want to see that implemented, it is SO PRIMITIVE, even in conservative/tough countries they are beginning to/ have removed it.

The Gov. was going to bring it in a while back, but I dont think it got the nod. . I mean that, students will be SCARED of going to school, and students may be HIT for "talking in class"- a minor offence

Also its hypocrisy because its BULLYING in itself.

[Over9000]

Yes, the main problem occurs when having to deal with bullies (dobbing provokes them so what to do), which is why I think what should happen is that they should never be given a chance to bully, either in the form of much harsher punishments or other ways that I cant think of.

Are you suggesting the implementation of corporal punishment?

DO NOT GO THERE. I would NEVER want to see that implemented, it is SO PRIMITIVE, even in conservative/tough countries they are beginning to/ have removed it.

The Gov. was going to bring it in a while back, but I dont think it got the nod. . I mean that, students will be SCARED of going to school, and students may be HIT for "talking in class"- a minor offence

Also its hypocrisy because its BULLYING in itself.

Yes, bullies should be allowed to do whatever they want with no punishment. If one wishes to stop being bullied, then theyd just have to train and become stronger than that person so they cud beat the shit through them whilst also getting no punishment (so far it sounds all good).

[periwinkle]

  ^^Beatings can also be very traumatic, even if they last for less than a minute.
        I think counseling for the bully should at least be attempted, unless they're really extreme. Try and make them not want to be a bully, rather than the mere 'band-aid solution' many punishments provide.

[Over9000]

 ^^Beatings can also be very traumatic, even if they last for less than a minute.
        I think counseling for the bully should at least be attempted, unless they're really extreme.

Like they give a shit what a counselor says. Hey people who speed on the roads and people who shoot others or kill people should get to see a counselor as well, why are they punished immediately.

Bullying can lead to suicide, so imo in some rare cases, it can be as bad as killing someone (maybe some over exaggeration but the point im making is its not something one can dismiss easy).

[xXNovaxX]

 ^^Beatings can also be very traumatic, even if they last for less than a minute.
        I think counseling for the bully should at least be attempted, unless they're really extreme.

yeah, thats what I was contending.

I am not a bully, and I don't want to see teachers have an extra power which MANy are sure to abuse, and make the INNOCENT PEOPLE afraid to go to school

EDIT: I am looking at it from the "others" view, not the bullies who should be punished. But I think there are better ways than corporal punishment, hence it hasn't been implemented.

[periwinkle]

 I think I'm with what enwiabe said on another thread, [admittedly discussing a *murder* but nevertheless relevant across the spectrum of extremity]:

 

This is a tragic, tragic day. Let's not belittle what has happened by arguing so baselessly over judging the man's actions. Everyone has an opinion, but when that opinion is slanderous then it is an issue. Let us please wait for all the facts to come in before making such judgments.

Why not turn the conversation to the real crux of the issue, which is preventing violence? How does it happen that someone potentially brings themselves to kill another man?

I think this is a sobering message for all that we should endeavour to, when feeling rage or anger, ensure that these emotions are channelled constructively and not in the manner that we have allegedly witnessed today. Nobody grows up wanting to be a killer... if this man (assuming he did, in fact do it) had been educated to better deal with negative emotion and how to handle (and subsequently constructively outlet) anger/rage, then this never would have happened.

I am a strong proponent for introducing education programs that deal with weeding out emotional problems that lead to violence and crime. I do not understand why we do not already have provisions for teaching schoolchildren preventive measures for getting rid of the thought processes that lead to these senseless acts. Instead, it's more of a "wait for the problem THEN send them to the psychologist" type of deal. And that's how you get this happening. The solution to crime is not a sound punitive policy. It is, in fact, a sound education policy. Any thoughts on this?

[appianway]

There seems to be an emphasis on this thread regarding physical violence, but I think that psychological bullying can be just as threatening. I'd say that there's a high prevalence of this in Australia - students are often alienated because of differences that are either fabricated or perceived to exist. It's much harder to combat this type of bullying: often attempts to deal with it isolate the victim even further.

[periwinkle]

There seems to be an emphasis on this thread regarding physical violence, but I think that psychological bullying can be just as threatening. I'd say that there's a high prevalence of this in Australia - students are often alienated because of differences that are either fabricated or perceived to exist. It's much harder to combat this type of bullying: often attempts to deal with it isolate the victim even further.

Part of what you describe might be psychological projection, which can cause people to interpret someone else's perfectly benign comment, stare, etc, as hostile or constituting bullying. Though definite, deliberate, psychological bullying does exist, sure. I think that though it can be cruel on the part of the bully, helping the victim work on developing their self-esteem can go a long way towards preventing the bullying and/or negating its effects. This was the case with my aforementioned [on page 1] situation.