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Cooked my first SAC
« on: February 27, 2018, 07:11:08 pm »
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Hey guys, so my SAC was on an essay topic that got us to evaluate one or two ideas that contributed to revolution. Now, I realised half-way that I had totally messed it up as I talked about Tsarism and Marxism (I tied in with liberalism, nationalism, non-Russian nationalism and industrialisation) and it was because I had no historiography that argued against my case. Tbh I'm super disappointed that I wasn't able to provide other perspectives despite knowingly that I am capable of it, just for future reference, could someone provide me a few quotes from historians that indicate that perhaps keeping Tsarism could've been beneficial or Marxism as an idea was detrimental to society? I just wanna make sure that I don't make the same stupid conscious mistake as I did today. Thanks!

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Re: Cooked my first SAC
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2018, 07:43:15 pm »
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Well I don't think that necessarily means you cooked your first sac.

Just that you won't get full marks for the essay which is hard to do anyway.

You can still do well but for the future yeah it's best to include historic quotes from both sides.

My  teacher back when I did Revs gave us a whole bucket load of  quotes  and people who had opposing viewpoints.

Check alpha history for quotes they generally have heaps.
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Re: Cooked my first SAC
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2018, 08:23:23 pm »
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Well I don't think that necessarily means you cooked your first sac.

Just that you won't get full marks for the essay which is hard to do anyway.

You can still do well but for the future yeah it's best to include historic quotes from both sides.

My  teacher back when I did Revs gave us a whole bucket load of  quotes  and people who had opposing viewpoints.

Check alpha history for quotes they generally have heaps.

Yeah bummer, we spent so long on causation that basically the entire class left opposing arguments totally unaccounted for. Oh well! Wish me luck haha

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Re: Cooked my first SAC
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2018, 08:59:44 pm »
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Can't remember any quotes off the top of my head, but when I did Revs some good historians to refer to were Figes, Smith, Nettl, Wood, Fitzpatrick. There was also the history of the CPSU (short course) but I imagine that might not have a viewpoint that you're looking for. :)

I think it's probably best to have a discussion with your teacher about this. They can provide you with heaps of resources and point you in the right way.

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Re: Cooked my first SAC
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2018, 09:14:42 pm »
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...just for future reference, could someone provide me a few quotes from historians that indicate that perhaps keeping Tsarism could've been beneficial or Marxism as an idea was detrimental to society? I just wanna make sure that I don't make the same stupid conscious mistake as I did today. Thanks!

Don't stress too much about the sac! It's a learning experience which is going to help ensure that you're super prepared with quotes by your exam! The main way to find more quotes is to read more about the Russian revolution. In your reading throughout the year, you'll find quotes that will help you out. Definitely look on Alpha History, and also check out the "notes" section on ATAR Notes, because a lot of people upload historian quotes here too!

As for a historian who is opposed to Marxism, your best bet is probably Richard Pipes. He takes a very negative view of communism, Lenin, the Bolsheviks, and he blames them for the violence that occurred post-revolution. For a sample of some of his quotations:

"Marxism and Bolshevism … were products of an era in European intellectual life that was obsessed with violence. No-one embraced this philosophy more enthusiastically than the Bolsheviks: “merciless” violence, violence that strove for the destruction of every actual and potential opponent, was … the only way of dealing with problems"

He describes Lenin's April Theses as being “Totally out of touch with reality, if not positively mad”

“Bolshevik victory was attributed not to their popular support but to their superior organisation and greater ruthlessness.”

These are just a few quotes that might help you get an idea of Pipes' views. Also, know that you don't need exact quotes - if you know the perspective of particular historians, that can be enough. For example, if I wanted a quote that was talking about how violent the Bolsheviks were, but I didn't know an exact quote, I would just think to myself "which historian do I know that thinks the Bolsheviks were violent?" Answer: Richard Pipes! And even know I can't think of an exact quote from him, I could just write something along the lines of "Richard Pipes would argue that it was only through the use of violence that the Bolsheviks were able to attain power", and then discuss that in relation to whatever point i'm trying to make! So don't stress super much about needing to memorise exact quotes. You still need to read a lot of historian views in order to understand different perspectives they all hold. And while direct quotes are amazing, you can still do well without them!!!!

I just cannot stress enough how important it is to read a wide variety of historian opinions, and how beneficial it is to go beyond your textbook and beyond what your teacher tells you to read in class (even though this is a lot of extra work for you). Ask your teacher for more resources, go to your library and try to find books on the Russian Revolution, watch Youtube documentaries! Try to find anything on revs that you can, because the more you broaden your understanding of the Russian revolution, the easier easier easier the whole subject becomes !!!
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Re: Cooked my first SAC
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2018, 10:08:16 pm »
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Don't stress too much about the sac! It's a learning experience which is going to help ensure that you're super prepared with quotes by your exam! The main way to find more quotes is to read more about the Russian revolution. In your reading throughout the year, you'll find quotes that will help you out. Definitely look on Alpha History, and also check out the "notes" section on ATAR Notes, because a lot of people upload historian quotes here too!

As for a historian who is opposed to Marxism, your best bet is probably Richard Pipes. He takes a very negative view of communism, Lenin, the Bolsheviks, and he blames them for the violence that occurred post-revolution. For a sample of some of his quotations:

"Marxism and Bolshevism … were products of an era in European intellectual life that was obsessed with violence. No-one embraced this philosophy more enthusiastically than the Bolsheviks: “merciless” violence, violence that strove for the destruction of every actual and potential opponent, was … the only way of dealing with problems"

He describes Lenin's April Theses as being “Totally out of touch with reality, if not positively mad”

“Bolshevik victory was attributed not to their popular support but to their superior organisation and greater ruthlessness.”

These are just a few quotes that might help you get an idea of Pipes' views. Also, know that you don't need exact quotes - if you know the perspective of particular historians, that can be enough. For example, if I wanted a quote that was talking about how violent the Bolsheviks were, but I didn't know an exact quote, I would just think to myself "which historian do I know that thinks the Bolsheviks were violent?" Answer: Richard Pipes! And even know I can't think of an exact quote from him, I could just write something along the lines of "Richard Pipes would argue that it was only through the use of violence that the Bolsheviks were able to attain power", and then discuss that in relation to whatever point i'm trying to make! So don't stress super much about needing to memorise exact quotes. You still need to read a lot of historian views in order to understand different perspectives they all hold. And while direct quotes are amazing, you can still do well without them!!!!

I just cannot stress enough how important it is to read a wide variety of historian opinions, and how beneficial it is to go beyond your textbook and beyond what your teacher tells you to read in class (even though this is a lot of extra work for you). Ask your teacher for more resources, go to your library and try to find books on the Russian Revolution, watch Youtube documentaries! Try to find anything on revs that you can, because the more you broaden your understanding of the Russian revolution, the easier easier easier the whole subject becomes !!!

Dunno why this made me cry! :( your advice was really valuable, thank you!

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Re: Cooked my first SAC
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2018, 11:40:32 pm »
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Dunno why this made me cry! :( your advice was really valuable, thank you!

Aww, I'm happy to help!
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