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Kopite:

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I think the MM grads will be looked at less favourably if any differently. For starters 25% of their undergrad course is fluff rubbish courses that serve no real purpose to engineering companies, but do give Melb Uni 25% more fees. A Masters is only really viewed highly when it is a Masters by Research, and the MM masters isn't that. Having an ME behind your name might make a certain part of your anatomy feel bigger, but you'll pay a minimum $8000 more to get one, and only IF you get a CSP place. If you end up in a full fee spot then you'll likely regret the choice you made chosing MM for a very long time.

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What subjects are you referring to as 'fluff rubbish'? Certainly ESD 1 is, however all the others provide valuable skills for further study.

From 2014 (inclusive) if you meet the 65% requirement, all students will be CSP.

Why would Melbourne Model graduates be looked at less favourably?

dejan91:

--- Quote from: Mollie on January 15, 2010, 11:37:25 pm ---I think the MM grads will be looked at less favourably if any differently. For starters 25% of their undergrad course is fluff rubbish courses that serve no real purpose to engineering companies, but do give Melb Uni 25% more fees. A Masters is only really viewed highly when it is a Masters by Research, and the MM masters isn't that. Having an ME behind your name might make a certain part of your anatomy feel bigger, but you'll pay a minimum $8000 more to get one, and only IF you get a CSP place. If you end up in a full fee spot then you'll likely regret the choice you made chosing MM for a very long time.

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I'm sorry, but your post is too littered with bias against the Melbourne Model for you to make sense...

You do realise that:
- The Masters in Engineering is accredited by engineering companies (globally), and thus the pathway which you consider 'fluff' is too.
- Monash (which, I'm guessing, is your favoured Uni over Melbourne) has only one ME - Masters in Aerospace Engineering.
- The subjects you consider as 'fluff rubbish' are actually the basis upon which the Melbourne Model was introduced. You know, to be interdisciplinary across different fields of knowledge.

enwiabe:

--- Quote from: dejan91 on January 16, 2010, 01:21:34 am ---
--- Quote from: Mollie on January 15, 2010, 11:37:25 pm ---I think the MM grads will be looked at less favourably if any differently. For starters 25% of their undergrad course is fluff rubbish courses that serve no real purpose to engineering companies, but do give Melb Uni 25% more fees. A Masters is only really viewed highly when it is a Masters by Research, and the MM masters isn't that. Having an ME behind your name might make a certain part of your anatomy feel bigger, but you'll pay a minimum $8000 more to get one, and only IF you get a CSP place. If you end up in a full fee spot then you'll likely regret the choice you made chosing MM for a very long time.

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I'm sorry, but your post is too littered with bias against the Melbourne Model for you to make sense...

You do realise that:
- The Masters in Engineering is accredited by engineering companies (globally), and thus the pathway which you consider 'fluff' is too.
- Monash (which, I'm guessing, is your favoured Uni over Melbourne) has only one ME - Masters in Aerospace Engineering.
- The subjects you consider as 'fluff rubbish' are actually the basis upon which the Melbourne Model was introduced. You know, to be interdisciplinary across different fields of knowledge.

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Re: Monash...

Monash only has one Masters of Engineering by coursework.

You can get an Engineering Masters at Monash by research in any field you fancy.

QuantumJG:
Doing a B.Sc & M.Eng will not make you worse off than getting a B.Eng. I'm sure a lot of high profile companies like the graduate degree part since you get more study experience.

I recommend doing a B.Eng iff your heart is set on engineering. I did science at Melbourne because this time last year I didn't know whether I wanted to do civil engineering, mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, physics or maths.

It will take you a while to realise whether science or engineering is for you and nobody can really tell you which is for you, this is a question you need ask yourself. With me I basically loved my maths and physics and poured ages of time into assignments, tests, etc. With engineering I found first year boring (well first year eng at UoM is boring) and thought that if I have no motivation in this work, it's probably a sign.

Mollie:

--- Quote from: Kopite on January 16, 2010, 12:35:04 am ---

Why would Melbourne Model graduates be looked at less favourably?

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I did say "if anything". I suspect that too many of you are seeing "Masters" and thinking that you'll be better than anyone that just has BE (Hons) after their name. The fact is that most people won't even know what letters you have after your name unless you are egotistical enough use them constantly.

I have seen some absolutely ridiculous breadth subjects in the MM that would only be studied because people MUST take subjects outside of their discipline. Many people don't need breadth subjects so why pay for them in both time and fees. As for all places being CSP if your average is >65%, that is easier said than done in engineering, and if you want to complete the MM in 5 years then you're going to have include eng subjects in your bachelors degree or spend three years doing your Masters by coursework. Some subjects have 60% fail rates and if you are one of those that does fail then that will make the 65% average harder to obtain.

Work experience and marks are what will set you apart from your peers when it comes to gaining employment, not whether you have studied From Mateship to Mardi Gras or Genders, Bodies, Borders. Perhaps you think Seeing: The Whole Picture or Cinema and the City is going to give you a leg up over those who have studied Statics, Dynamics, Strength of Materials, Geotechnics etc from day one at uni, but I personally think you are just seeing a wank factor rather than really considering the worth (or IMO the lack of worth) of breadth studies. Do you really think an Engineer sitting with your academic transcript in from of them is going to see any extra value in you when they see subjects like that which for many will be taken solely because they believe them to be easy options.

Personally I couldn't care less which uni people chose to attend. I chose an interstate uni because Vic didn't have any courses with the accreditation I was looking for.

Editted to Add: A couple of other things to think about would include the fact that gaining over 65% at university is a damned sight harder than achieving a similar result at school, and the fact that currently there is no income support payments (ie. youth allowance or austudy) for Masters by Coursework students.  If legislation remains as is, not only will you be paying a premium for your degree, but you will also lose any govt income support you could have kept had you studied engineering as an undergraduate or double degree (if breadth subjects are so important to you) at any other university in the nation.

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