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Ambiguity
« on: June 05, 2010, 08:15:56 pm »
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When we use a formula like Pi=Pf
                                     mv=mv

where the 2 m's are not equal and 2 v's are not equal, does it matter in physics or its best to write like m1v1=m2v2?

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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2010, 08:43:34 pm »
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Write it how you've done it the second time with the subscripts. Otherwise it likely to be assumed that the masses are equal, which may not be the case...
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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2010, 09:31:16 pm »
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do them separately and equate

you are farrrr less likely to screw it up this way
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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2010, 09:40:37 pm »
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I write them like m1v1+m2v2=m3v3
Makes it clear otherwise it implies they are equal.
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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2010, 09:48:28 pm »
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Yea I do them seperately normally...does that mean its ok?

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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2010, 11:29:34 pm »
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I'm also interested...

I usually write

Still not sure if it's correct; can anyone tell me?

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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2010, 11:30:27 pm »
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Do you do UMEP ryan?
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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2010, 11:43:13 pm »
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When we use a formula like Pi=Pf
                                     mv=mv

where the 2 m's are not equal and 2 v's are not equal, does it matter in physics or its best to write like m1v1=m2v2?
Yes. You need to define what these masses are. You cannot say "mv = mv" if the two m and v values are different.

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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2010, 12:26:40 am »
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I'm also interested...

I usually write

Still not sure if it's correct; can anyone tell me?
This is correct as long as when you write them in terms of mv you define what m and v are for each case.
I.e


Where
is just some random mass that gets added/taken away from the system

Edit: Sorry. I think you mean in which case
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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2010, 09:49:34 pm »
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I'm also interested...

I usually write

Still not sure if it's correct; can anyone tell me?
This is correct as long as when you write them in terms of mv you define what m and v are for each case.
I.e


Where
is just some random mass that gets added/taken away from the system

Edit: Sorry. I think you mean in which case

Oh yeah haha dunno why I put delta  t___t

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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2010, 09:55:43 pm »
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Placing a delta in front of a variable just means "change in"

e.g.
just means change in initial momentum = change in final momentum
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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2010, 10:37:06 pm »
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Do you do UMEP ryan?

Nope don't do uni maths

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Re: Ambiguity
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2010, 10:47:27 pm »
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Placing a delta in front of a variable just means "change in"

e.g.
just means change in initial momentum = change in final momentum

When you have a 'change' in a quantity it means that, along a certain trajectory, that quantity can occupy different values.

But are can only have unique values along a single trajectory in a defined interval of time, so it doesn't make sense to have a 'change' in each of them. They are not 'variables' in the sense that is.


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