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..Latin Difficult Exam?
vexx:
--- Quote from: the.watchman on August 13, 2010, 09:56:37 pm ---No no, there is no definite word order, you can actually rearrange the words in a clause as much as you like, and it would still have the same meaning, this depends only on the word endings. So you need extra time when translating to sort out the sentence first and finding the subject, main verb etc.
Also, one of the major parts of the exam is studying and memorising lines of translations from the main text studied so that you can translate a given passage from the text in the exam without a dictionary. This can be challenging, particularly if your memory is not so good :P
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couldn't you just figure out the translation during the exam? or not enough time.. there's isn't that many tasks to do in the exam, so plenty of time to slowly translate! or is it a lot longer then it looks and one is short on time..
--- Quote from: wildareal on August 13, 2010, 09:59:14 pm ---I'm actually studying for a Latin SAC this very moment. It's an Essay Sac-In English on The Aeneid. We basically get all the lines of the epic given to us in the lesson without a dictionary and we are given an essay topic and we have to write a relatively short 500 word essay in 90 minutes. It sounds easy in comparison to other languages, but I can assure it is not. The amount of depth of understanding, context and knowledge of the lines is more than in Lit or in Classics. Also for this component on the exam (as well as the translation Section A and an analysis of Techniques Section 2) the highest mark in the whole Latin cohort of 190-something in Melb was 18/20-meaning the standards are pretty high.
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yeah that sounds difficult, but the exam doesn't have that XD
the devices part sounds a little strange, i'm sure its gets difficult. but just it appears only getting the translation skills up and able to do all of that in the exam can give someone the ability to get 30+ raw.
..maybe i'm wrong haha, but it doesn't seem to hard to get a scaled score of ~46 comparatively (30 raw).
eeps:
Latin, I believe is a difficult subject to master. There are many tables you need to know/learn (i.e. tenses - indicative, subjunctive etc) and thus, students may sometimes get confused between tenses/declensions etc. Basically, what we do in my Latin class as part of testing is unseen translations, grammar sheets (english to latin), vocab tests and seen passage/grammar/comprehension (this test is rolled in as one test) tests.
Thus, as Latin is a difficult language to learn... the VCAA makes the scaling for Latin incredibly high. - i.e. if a student got 30 for Latin as a raw score it would be scaled up to 42~46 or something (feel free to correct me on that!). I'm yet to see the Year 12 Latin Exam... but I assuming that it would be challenging to say the least. :P
vexx:
--- Quote from: EPL.11.4ever. on August 13, 2010, 10:09:38 pm ---Latin, I believe is a difficult subject to master. There are many tables you need to know/learn (i.e. tenses - indicative, subjunctive etc) and thus, students may sometimes get confused between tenses/declensions etc. Basically, what we do in my Latin class as part of testing is unseen translations, grammar sheets (english to latin), vocab tests and seen passage/grammar/comprehension (this test is rolled in as one test) tests.
Thus, as Latin is a difficult language to learn... the VCAA makes the scaling for Latin incredibly high. - i.e. if a student got 30 for Latin as a raw score it would be scaled up to 42~46 or something (feel free to correct me on that!). I'm yet to see the Year 12 Latin Exam... but I assuming that it would be challenging to say the least. :P
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Yeah all that stuff would be so annoying to go through, it's why i would hate to ever have to study it in class.
But the exam requires none of that, it's just translating, responding in english and some parts talking about literary devices, so you don't need to know the grammar just need to know how to read!
Average score is ~46 which is ridiculous haha.
Here is last years exam, tell me if you still think it's THAT challenging to get an average score http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vcaa/vce/studies/lote/latin/pastexams/2009/2009latin-w.pdf
eeps:
--- Quote from: vexx on August 13, 2010, 10:14:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: EPL.11.4ever. on August 13, 2010, 10:09:38 pm ---Latin, I believe is a difficult subject to master. There are many tables you need to know/learn (i.e. tenses - indicative, subjunctive etc) and thus, students may sometimes get confused between tenses/declensions etc. Basically, what we do in my Latin class as part of testing is unseen translations, grammar sheets (english to latin), vocab tests and seen passage/grammar/comprehension (this test is rolled in as one test) tests.
Thus, as Latin is a difficult language to learn... the VCAA makes the scaling for Latin incredibly high. - i.e. if a student got 30 for Latin as a raw score it would be scaled up to 42~46 or something (feel free to correct me on that!). I'm yet to see the Year 12 Latin Exam... but I assuming that it would be challenging to say the least. :P
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Yeah all that stuff would be so annoying to go through, it's why i would hate to ever have to study it in class.
But the exam requires none of that, it's just translating, responding in english and some parts talking about literary devices, so you don't need to know the grammar just need to know how to read!
Average score is ~46 which is ridiculous haha.
Here is last years exam, tell me if you still think it's THAT challenging to get an average score http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vcaa/vce/studies/lote/latin/pastexams/2009/2009latin-w.pdf
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GOING by the looks of the 2009 Latin Exam... it doesn't seem too bad. At my school, I THINK we've done similar tests to "Section 1 and Section 2 - Part A and B" for prescribed passages like Catullus. WE had to translation some poems of Catullus, then answer questions on a passage from another Catullus poem and also answer questions on background information on ANOTHER passage of Catullus... the tests I've done to date seem like the same format and prototype of the Year 12 exam. :D
vexx:
--- Quote from: EPL.11.4ever. on August 13, 2010, 10:23:19 pm ---GOING by the looks of the 2009 Latin Exam... it doesn't seem too bad. At my school, I THINK we've done similar tests to "Section 1 and Section 2 - Part A and B" for prescribed passages like Catullus. WE had to translation some poems of Catullus, then answer questions on a passage from another Catullus poem and also answer questions on background information on ANOTHER passage of Catullus... the tests I've done to date seem like the same format and prototype of the Year 12 exam. :D
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Yep! So potential of 45+ after scaling totally possible?;) The other exams i had a peak at were exactly the same too..
That's what i was saying, it's not as focused on the grammar parts as i thought it would have been!
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