Complete clash in exam question...

[jinny1]

hi i was going through a couple of practice/past exam papers and noticed this weird question that clashed..

in VCE psychology UNIT 4 "2002" exam.. multiple choice Q17

"In classical conditioning, an organism develops an 'association' between the"

a) cs and cr
b)NS and CS
c)CS and UCS
d)NS and UCS

the answer here is C... the CS and UCS

however in unit 4 psychology "QAT" practice exam in Q.26 of the multi choice

Q.26. " In classical conditioning the organism develops an association between the"
a)CS and UCS
b)NS and CS
c)NS and UCS
d)CS and CR

the answer here is C... the NS and UCS..

so which is the right oneee??? so confusing...



the funny thing is our vce teacher gave us the old vce exam papers to revise for the QAT test tomorrow...so i dunno which i should choose


Thanks

[Slumdawg]

I'd go with the first option cos it's vcaa. The difference between the two is that the first answer assumes it's after conditioning hence the NS is now the CS. While the QAT answer assumes it is before the acquisition stage hence the NS has not yet been transformed into the CS.

I'd say you normally assume that it is referring to after conditioning hence CS and UCS would be right. Just check carefully incase it says before conditioning  or before the acquisition phase or something like that then of course you'd say NS and UCS..

So if it comes up again, go with CS and UCS.

Therefore, technically according to vcaa, QAT is wrong for that question..

Hope that helps..

[jinny1]

Does anyone also know why in the QAT prac exam Q27 and 28.

the NS and CS are both the same?? that is the dog leash...

how can one thing be both the NS and CS ..?? is that possible?

[jinny1]

So if it comes up again, go with CS and UCS.

Therefore, technically according to vcaa, QAT is wrong for that question..

Hope that helps..

hey thanks...thats what i originally thought..

but anyway i'm pretty (80%) sure that tomorrow's test is gonna be the QAT test....so do i still circle NS and UCS if that is that case? or circle CS and UCS and argue later on with the teacher?

[iNerd]

So if it comes up again, go with CS and UCS.

Therefore, technically according to vcaa, QAT is wrong for that question..

Hope that helps..

hey thanks...thats what i originally thought..

but anyway i'm pretty (80%) sure that tomorrow's test is gonna be the QAT test....so do i still circle NS and UCS if that is that case? or circle CS and UCS and argue later on with the teacher?

No man; there is only one answer. If QAT is wrong, go tell your teacher that VCAA has to be right; argue your case. Don't circle the wrong answer when you know it's wrong.

[jinny1]

So if it comes up again, go with CS and UCS.

Therefore, technically according to vcaa, QAT is wrong for that question..

Hope that helps..

hey thanks...thats what i originally thought..

but anyway i'm pretty (80%) sure that tomorrow's test is gonna be the QAT test....so do i still circle NS and UCS if that is that case? or circle CS and UCS and argue later on with the teacher?

No man; there is only one answer. If QAT is wrong, go tell your teacher that VCAA has to be right; argue your case. Don't circle the wrong answer when you know it's wrong.

ahk bro thx...

 btw is it possible for NS and CS to be the same stimulus???

[Slumdawg]

So if it comes up again, go with CS and UCS.

Therefore, technically according to vcaa, QAT is wrong for that question..

Hope that helps..

hey thanks...thats what i originally thought..

but anyway i'm pretty (80%) sure that tomorrow's test is gonna be the QAT test....so do i still circle NS and UCS if that is that case? or circle CS and UCS and argue later on with the teacher?

No man; there is only one answer. If QAT is wrong, go tell your teacher that VCAA has to be right; argue your case. Don't circle the wrong answer when you know it's wrong.

ahk bro thx...

 btw is it possible for NS and CS to be the same stimulus???

Definitely they ARE the same stimulus. Just NS doesn't produce the reflex response while the CS does.

Think of the bell and pavlov. It was a NS when it didn't cause the dogs to salivate but when it did it became a CS.

[minilunchbox]

VCAA doesn't use the term NS in exams so it will never turn up in the current study design.

Also the NS and CS are the same stimulus. Only the NS is before conditioning (doesn't trigger the CR - it is 'neutral') and the CS is after conditioning/acquisition (triggers the CR - it is 'conditioned').

[jinny1]

thanks for the help guys...

positive karma for youse allll

[bomb]

F***  Q.A.T that exam is so screwed, our psych teachers use those too and we lose marks unfairly. LOL.

[jinny1]

btw the question im referring to:

Questions 27–30 refer to the following information:

Rachel has noticed some very interesting behaviours being displayed in her pet
dog Bob. Bob previously got very excited whenever Rachel went out to the
backyard with the dog leash in her hand as Bob knew he was going for a walk.
Lately Rachel has noticed that Bob has started to get excited whenever she walks
towards the cupboard where she keeps Bob’s leash.

27. In the first instance of conditioning, the neutral stimulus is
A. Cupboard
B. Dog leash
C. Excitement to the walk
D. Excitement to the lead

28. In the first instance of conditioning, the conditioned stimulus is the
A. Cupboard
B. Dog leash
C. Excitement to the walk
D. Excitement to the lead

THEY ARE BOTH B!!!! yet the question asks "first instance" not prior or after conditioning so im confused now..

[bomb]

First instance is the conditioning of excitement to the lead.
So the walk is paired with the sight of the lead.
At the start the lead was NS, then became CS.
Second instance is the conditiong of excitement to the cupboard.
So lead is paired with cupboard.

[jinny1]

ah ok gotcha...just kinda confusing question.. lol