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« on: May 10, 2008, 08:56:53 am »
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1. The following are general first-order difference equations. Solve:
tn+1 = 1.5tn-8, t1=32

I'm a little confused about the meaning of a first-order difference equation. Are they just equations that have a tn and tn+1, that is, they differ by one step.
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2008, 01:19:35 am »
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A first-order difference equation is a difference equation that has the smallest step differing with the highest step by 1.

In this case, the highest step term is , while the smallest step term is , hence the difference equation is first order.

So yes, your definition is correct. I know nothing of the Further Mathematics course, so I'm not sure whether you're required to know what a "difference equation" is in general. If you don't know, ask!

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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2008, 08:32:36 am »
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Can anyone solve the question I have above, this is a number pattern question

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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2008, 08:54:14 am »
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what am I solving for....?

am i writing the first 10 numbers of the sequence down, or what... =\



(its not even an equation!) :P
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2008, 09:23:21 am »
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first order means t(n) to the power of 1.
solve means find t(n) given the difference equation.
solution is t(n)=32x1.5^(n-1)+(-8)(1.5^(n-1) -1)/(1.5 -1).

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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2008, 10:45:08 am »
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Yes, you have that question on the top and you have to use the rule/equation for solving an equation that is both an arithmetic and geometric sequence.
It is tn=arn-1+d

You have to solve using this equation by putting in all teh required values that are given in the equation but I can't seem to get the correct answer. 

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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2008, 10:59:06 am »
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a=32, r=1.5, d=-8, n=variable :)
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2008, 11:18:40 am »
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Ok, I'll show you the steps I did to solve this

tn=32*1.5n-1-8
tn=32*1.5n-1-8
I'm not sure what to do next. When simplifying teh fraction, should I divide -1 by 0.5 or do I bring 0.5 to the -8 to simplify the equation.

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2008, 11:51:15 am »
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I'm not sure what to do next. When simplifying teh fraction, should I divide -1 by 0.5 or do I bring 0.5 to the -8 to simplify the equation.



Now you can just expand it and collect like terms.

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2008, 12:37:24 pm »
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Hey, I've got it now. What I was doing wrong, was multiplying those numbers together instead of dividing.
However, I'm not sure why you divide it.

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2008, 01:44:15 pm »
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because:

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2008, 01:53:51 pm »
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"Do not use a cannon to kill a mosquito." - Confucius



Substituting , we arrive at another form for this equation:





Now multiply our new equation by :



Now, this really defines an infinite set of equations, one for each possible value of n, so we can write this with a summation of all the different variations of n:





First Consider:


Next:


Then:



Combining these:





Now expanding using the method of partial fractions:



Now these are variations on the inifinite geometric sequence (which have a nice little series we can work with):



BUT REMEMBER:



Comparing Coefficients, it becomes apparent:

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2008, 01:58:38 pm »
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lol, rob you have WAY~ too much time on your hands :P


(and btw, further people, ignore this post. it does not affect you AT ALL)
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2008, 01:59:26 pm »
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wow who would have thought this is further maths

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2008, 02:01:46 pm »
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wow who would have thought this is further maths
dcc, Ahmad II - self_control. :P
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