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Counting Methods problems!!
« on: November 16, 2010, 07:57:47 pm »
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I am not too sure about these questions.... :(

Three letters are chosen at random from the word HEART and arranged in a row. Find the probability that the letter H is chosen (ANSWER: 0.6)

Three men and three women are to be randomly seated in a row. Find the probability that both the end places will be filled by women (ANSWER: 0.2)

I would appreciate any help!

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Re: Counting Methods problems!!
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 08:05:38 pm »
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I love combinatorics :)

a)
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 08:14:14 pm »
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I love combinatorics :)
Lol yeah, "counting methods" sounds rather babyish, I prefer "combinatorics" much better :P

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Re: Counting Methods problems!!
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 09:11:22 pm »
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I prefer "combi"
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Re: Counting Methods problems!!
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 09:14:24 pm »
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How do you pronounce that, it is COMbinatorics or comBInatorics? Also long I or short i?

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Re: Counting Methods problems!!
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 09:14:55 pm »
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I prefer "combi"

I prefer spesh! No probability at all!  


Although, personally prefer "combinatorics", more syllables sounds a lot smarter  :P


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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2010, 10:47:46 pm »
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I prefer "combi"
Yeah, combi's fine too, actually, that's what I call it most of the time. Just an abbreviation of combinatorics :)

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Re: Counting Methods problems!!
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2010, 11:03:19 pm »
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I love combinatorics :)

a)
I'm not sure I really understand your working?
I do:
1 - Pr(No H)


But your method looks alot easier?
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Re: Counting Methods problems!!
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2010, 11:09:23 pm »
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I am not too sure about these questions.... :(

Three letters are chosen at random from the word HEART and arranged in a row. Find the probability that the letter H is chosen (ANSWER: 0.6)

Three men and three women are to be randomly seated in a row. Find the probability that both the end places will be filled by women (ANSWER: 0.2)

I would appreciate any help!

b) a number of ways, i'll show you the box method for this
You have six positions, as there are six people to seat.
Here are your positions/boxes. All numbers placed in these will be multiplied.
[  ] [  ] [  ] [  ] [  ] [  ]
>> you want to find out the Probability that there is a woman on both ends.
[  3  ] [  ] [  ] [  ] [  ] [  2  ]
3 x 2 = 6
The first position can be occupied by 3 women (as there are only 3 women) - hence a '3' in the first box.
After the first position is occupied, there are only two women left to occupy the last position - hence a '2' in the last box.

Now that we know how many ways a woman may be in the first and last position (6 ways)
We find the TOTAL.

>>>[ 6 ] [  ] [  ] [  ] [  ] [ 5 ]
6 x 5 = 30
As there are a total of six people, any of the six can sit in the first position - hence '6' in the first box
After one of them has been chosen, any of the five can sit in the last position - hence '5' in the last box.

So the number of ways a woman can sit = 6
and the number in total = 30
6/30 = 0.2
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2010, 12:41:42 am »
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I love combinatorics :)

a)
I'm not sure I really understand your working?
I do:
1 - Pr(No H)


But your method looks alot easier?
Pr(H) = no. of permutations with H / total number of permutations
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Re: Counting Methods problems!!
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2010, 01:05:47 am »
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I love combinatorics :)

a)
I'm not sure I really understand your working?
I do:
1 - Pr(No H)


But your method looks alot easier?
Pr(H) = no. of permutations with H / total number of permutations

I don't understand how you got 4*3*3?
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Re: Counting Methods problems!!
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2010, 07:38:18 am »
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I think the way he has done is it is that:

H can be first letter = 1 x 4 x 3
H can be second letter = 4 x 1 x 3
H can be third letter = 4 x 3 x 1
= 4 x 3 x 3
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Re: Counting Methods problems!!
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2010, 03:02:32 pm »
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I think the way he has done is it is that:

H can be first letter = 1 x 4 x 3
H can be second letter = 4 x 1 x 3
H can be third letter = 4 x 3 x 1
= 4 x 3 x 3
correct :)

note that i have assumed order matters.
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Re: Counting Methods problems!!
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2010, 03:17:39 pm »
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Oh, I see now but it should be 5P3 right?
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2010, 03:20:12 pm »
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yea lol anyways u get the concept
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