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Vectors Question (Vector Proof)
« on: January 03, 2011, 05:04:24 pm »
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Having trouble with question (d).

Ended up with:

YX.YE = YF.YX
As cos(theta) = a.b/|a||b|, thus a.b. = |a||b|cos(theta)

Thus, |YX||YE|cos(XYE) = |YF||YX|cos(FYX)
Since |YX|=|YE|=|YF|,
cos(XYE) = cos(FYX)

Thus angle(XYE) = angle(FYX) = 90º     <------ obtained this answer from the worked solutions, but am not sure exactly why. I understand it, but just am unsure.

Is it because XE.XF = 0 (from part a in the question)?

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Re: Vectors Question (Vector Proof)
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2011, 05:47:52 pm »
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What is Y?
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Re: Vectors Question (Vector Proof)
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2011, 05:50:37 pm »
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What is Y?

Oops sorry I didn't specify that, I let Y = the midpoint of AB; I let YX || BC || AD, and since BC = BE, YX = YE (similar triangles)

I kinda looked at the worked solutions for a bit of help though, how would you approach the question kamil?

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Re: Vectors Question (Vector Proof)
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2011, 08:21:10 pm »
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How did you get ? I don't think that is correct.

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cos(XYE) = cos(FYX)


Thus angle(XYE) = angle(FYX) = 90º     <------ obtained this answer from the worked solutions, but am not sure exactly why. I understand it, but just am unsure.

It is because and so if you add this equation to your one you get:

which implies that

But yeah your first line I am not convinced of.

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My approach:

let

Now we see that:




However using the notation from part b:





However notice that





Howver since EF and v are parralel and u is not parralel to neither of them, it must mean that:





Now that we've got that:







(since )

so:







And so we are done.
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Re: Vectors Question (Vector Proof)
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2011, 09:48:58 pm »
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Thanks kamil!

Just wondering, could anyone please help me with another (relatively simpler) question?

for (b), I ended up with OP.BC = 1/2(c.c - b.b), which would = 0 for OP _|_ BC, but geometrically I can see that |c| = |b|, but how do you prove it mathematically? :\

Not sure what to do for (c), is it just asking to prove that the point of intersection between OR and OQ is O?

Haven't attempted (d) yet! :]

It would be greatly appreciated if you anyone run me through them xD

Thanks heaps!

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Re: Vectors Question (Vector Proof)
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2011, 10:57:36 pm »
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for b it seems as though the author of the problem wants you to prove it without using |b|=|c|, seeing as that you are supposed to do that for the last part. However we can prove |a|=|b|=|c| easily actually using pythagoras' theorem(and if you want to strictly stick to the "vector proofs and no other geometry" mentality, well you can provide a little vector proof of it! go!):



Using an analogous argument you can show:



and so . And look I involuntarily did the last part for you too!

for c we want to show that if we draw a perpendicular bisector on the third line, (coming from P), then it will NOT miss O, and actually intersect it.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2011, 12:09:24 am by kamil9876 »
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