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--Tell me about Literature--
Rietie:
--- Quote from: psychlaw on June 25, 2008, 08:25:46 pm ---I just don't understand how people see beauty in poetry. Its just annoying, analysing it and all,:P
Don't know why people actually write using metaphors and confusing language when they can just write "normally"
BTW I didn't understand that poem, nor did I see any links to oral sex.... Guess I'm Poetically Challenged
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I hope you realise you're dissing one of the greatest poets who ever lived, but who only lived to he was 25 (I think - or maybe to 21?)
bubble sunglasses:
--- Quote from: Voltman on June 25, 2008, 07:43:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Rietie on June 25, 2008, 07:36:08 pm ---So you're against the freedom to freely express your imagination, ideas and whatever on paper and then get it published?
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No, you're twisting my words. I am not against the freedom to freely express within restrictions. I believe that people should be able publish whatever...let's say pornography they like as long as they keep it to themselves and don't share it with a vast amount of people.
EDIT: People should have the right to not see that pornography or whatever it is that is being considered.
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I agree with what you said here, Voltman. In all 3 Englishes you're liable to be exposed to stuff potentially disturbing or distressing to some people.
However, it was unnecessary to have previously exposed yourself [do excuse me ;)] as a homophobe and a bigot.
lishan515:
--- Quote from: Rietie on June 25, 2008, 08:29:20 pm ---Oral sex:
playing a tune on her 'hollow lute', 'moan', 'panted', etc.
Sex:
'he arose, ethereal, flush’d, and like a throbbing star', 'solution sweet'
The part of the poem is basically about Pophyro entering Madeline's chamber, and then having sex with her. However she thinks she is dreaming as she was following some religious rite where then she would dream of the man she would marry/love, so she believes sex is part of the dream.
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Keats :) St Agnes was initially going to have more erotic scenes - but his publisher wouldn't publish it - (I vaguely remember that being mentioned in a crit) - born 1795 - died 1921 = he was 25...
This made me die of laughter when I read it -Bryon - Keats work was "a sort of mental masturbation... I don't mean he is indecent, but viciously soliciting his ideas with a state, which is neither poetry nor anything else but a Bedlam vision produced by raw pork and opium"
ALSO: of relevancy to the debate at hand: "lynching is to justice as censorship is to art"- which in turn links to the Henderson art debate. I think that the debate that you have been having is similar to the essence of Literature (the subject). Personal experiences is linked to the way in which you "read" things and inform your understanding and importantly your interpretation. However, you need to be exposed to opinions of others to inform the interpretation. I think this links back to your first question - What is Lit? Lit requires debate, however it also requires open mindedness.
Although I do not understand your cultural background, nor would I blink an eyelid at a homosexual character in a text, you are entitled to your opinions. However I think an issue of concern in the community at large is the extent we are allowed to express ourselves freely without persecution. I think if the study design prohibited texts such as this unnamed text, from appearing it would infer a political statement and would be active discrimination against homosexual people.
Perhaps, as you feel so strongly against this text and are unwilling to give poetry a chance, then you would fare better in a different subject.
Voltman:
--- Quote from: psychlaw on June 25, 2008, 08:25:46 pm ---BTW I didn't understand that poem, nor did I see any links to oral sex.... Guess I'm Poetically Challenged
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"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood by everyone, something no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's the exact opposite"- Paul Dirac (1902-84)
bubble sunglasses:
--- Quote from: Voltman on June 25, 2008, 08:04:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: Rietie on June 25, 2008, 08:00:24 pm ---Funnily, this reminds me of Keats' poetry and the poem Eve of St Agnes, which involves the orgasm of the female through oral sex. Was hilarious to read in class, with my teacher snorting in between laughing :D
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Oh, my goodness. Sounds ghastly.
EDIT: Sorry, honestly I can't remember. I was trying not listen to wrongs. Though it looked like a pretty old one. And even if I did, I wouldn't mention it in this thread. As said before, I am against its 'advertisement'. However, the teacher did warn us that it had some strong emotions involved and many things he described as being 'below the belt' if you know what I mean.
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--- Quote from: Voltman on June 25, 2008, 09:10:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: psychlaw on June 25, 2008, 08:25:46 pm ---BTW I didn't understand that poem, nor did I see any links to oral sex.... Guess I'm Poetically Challenged
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"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood by everyone, something no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's the exact opposite"- Paul Dirac (1902-84)
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lol, if poetry is so abstruse then you'll be spared from being aware of it pertaining to "wrongs" :)
Edit: ZOMG i average exactly 2 posts per day atm :D
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